Well, the claim isn't that it's easy to find a manipulated file -- sometimes it's a lot of work. The claim is that it's hard to manipulate a file so that the manipulation is not detectable. Your claim was that you could do this in less than 30 minutes.

As I said above, at the moment I'm a little reluctant to reveal all the ways to detect a file whose integrity has been breached, and since it won't say much about the current issue I don't really see the point of doing this simply to satisfy your curiosity about whether anyone understands "this stuff" way beyond your own abilities. A shorter path to answering that question is actually to ask another question: "Frank, how much riding with a Power Tap, and how much analysis of Power Tap files, have you done?"

Well, the claim isn't that it's easy to find a manipulated file -- sometimes it's a lot of work. The claim is that it's hard to manipulate a file so that the manipulation is not detectable. Your claim was that you could do this in less than 30 minutes.

As I said above, at the moment I'm a little reluctant to reveal all the ways to detect a file whose integrity has been breached, and since it won't say much about the current issue I don't really see the point of doing this simply to satisfy your curiosity about whether anyone understands "this stuff" way beyond your own abilities. A shorter path to answering that question is actually to ask another question: "Frank, how much riding with a Power Tap, and how much analysis of Power Tap files, have you done?"

Well, this is an interesting challenge and from a purely egotistical point of view I'm very tempted -- but, really, what would we learn? You could, after all, be quite clever and deceitful, or you could just be bad at fakery. In either event, it tells us nothing about the current case. More importantly, I might have to reveal some of the other analytical approaches I've used and I'm not too keen on doing that at the moment.

No, I am not upset about their ad. You asked me for an example of another manufacturer with an "outrageous" claim. I consider a 30 minute IM bike split improvement guarantee to be pretty outrageous. I, at one time, considered a performance improvement guarantee, and decided the requirements required would be unworkable for us. At least CT has a built in method of documenting work done and performance improement. We don't. 30 minutes isn't much if you are currently at a 7 hour split. It is a lot if you are at 5:30. I decided on a satisfaction guarantee instead.

3 months is plenty for our users to understand the potential of the product. Ask any of them. You wouldn't know because you, apparently, haven't used it. Read the what I say and claim. I don't guarantee a specific result in 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, or forever. I suggest what our typical new user will see after one season with them. But, I only guarantee they will be happy with the the cost benefit relationship they see in the product within 3 months. If they think their benefits are not going to live up to my "claims" or to their expectation based upon my claims within three months they have risked essentially nothing. That doesn't seem so outrageous to me.

If Dr. Chung says a file is altered you can safely assume it is.

IOW, you now admit that the file that Joaquin sent to various people had, in fact, been altered, as everyone has been telling you all along. I'm sure, however, that that still won't stop you from touting his "results" as evidence of the efficacy of your cranks.

And whatever happened to the "new" file Joaquin was going to send? Didn't he say he had found a way to get the file off of the PT head unit "unaltered"?

If Dr. Chung says a file is altered you can safely assume it is. If he says it is unaltered, I would even give that a greater chance of being right.

Thanks, but I think that's overstated. My only claim was that it is hard to alter a file in a way that makes it undetectable, not that it's impossible.

when someone claims something is impossible they are setting themselves up to look foolish if ever it is proven possible.

I'm still waiting for this second "uncorrupted" file to show up so we can see what really happened on the ride. Maybe it'll show up as an early Christmas present!!! YAY!

You are going to wait a very long time. ..blah.. he has asked each of us to not post it here. ..blah.. I support him in his decision.

Thank you ST, another person who could and was willing to provide his experiences has said
life is TOO short for the ST BS. But, ST has no personal attacks right Frank.

Dave

You are going to wait a very long time. Even though he has sent it to me (I see none of the "problems" that were described in the first one but I am no expert) and to Robert Chung, he has asked each of us to not post it here as he is tired of the crap he has received here and has no desire to prove anything to anyone here.