does that mean it it is planned to include something like "hill normalized pace"? if so that would be awesome. I am guessing the trainingspeak metric is trademarked similar to normalized power but when they modify it only slightly like they did with x-power it would be good enough.

Just the other day I was looking for something to use for run data but couldn't find anything I liked and thought I would have to wait till WKO 4.0 but maybe this is just what I was looking for.

I am not at home so can't try it out right now but it is possible to install the development build in addition to the previous version or will it be replaced?

Hi Ale,

I cannot get runs to appear as run

I went and changed the sport to Run. I also tried syncing with a run in TP and it comes across as a Run without me needing to set the sport

But if I look in my Trends, Summary it shows 48 rides, no runs
If I try isRun=1 in a chart, I get nothing

Any ideas ?

I have 48 activities. 4 of them have the Sport=Run. 3 of those I set, 1 I imported from TP and it came across with the Sport set

However if I look at Trends -> Summary it tells me I have 48 rides, 0 runs.

Does this make sense ?

Hmm, perhaps the index is corrupted, I would try to delete it to force a rebuild, it is located in cache/index folder inside the user folder, whose location you can find in the about box

it's funny, while the trends->summary page show a bunch of rides, no runs, the individual files while not having Sport=Run display the alt/speed chart for example which leads me to believe it thinks it's a run.

when do you think this will make it to a stable build.. love what was done with ver 3.1.0

The problem seems to be more when I look at "Trends". It does not seem to differentiate rides from runs
I tested on 2 windows machines. I have not taken the plunge to move my mac to the new version since it's my real data and last time the kids got upset when I installed it on their school machines :-)

I had never discovered Search/Filtering. WOW!!

so if I do a Filter (not a search) and I do Sport="Run" (I need the double quotes)

It tells shows me 26 of the 52 rides, Yet 0 runs.
So I can do everything I want (I think) the only problem is the Trends->Summary report is wrong.

Does this make sense ?



HOLY Moly, this thing is becoming cool. I have RD, TP and have used WKO. But this is really becoming cool!!!

So is IsRun=1 filter also working? Only problem is activity list in Trends-Summary chart?

The partition of activities in Trends-Summary is a new addition, It is working in my case but I will check the code, thanks for reporting!

isRun=1 does not work. It does not give an error, but it brings up 0 activities
Sport="Run" does work.

At this moment there is an initial implementation of GOVSS, which is similar but not identical to rTSS, and Lactate Normalized Power which is used as an intermediate step and also exposed as LNP metric, it would be possible to back-calculate xPace as the pace which -in flat terrain- gives the same LNP, but it is not done yet.

Is there anyway planned to import tcx data as a bundle?
Tried to get my garmin data in (2009-present) but could never be completed. Includes swim,bike and run altogether.

Golden Cheetah v3.11 will have support for running, this is a brief summary of the features:

• Garmin Running Dynamics data series are imported and the activity is automatically flagged as a run
• Any activity can be flagged as a run setting Sport field to Run, several new metrics only need speed and, eventually, elevation.
• isRun=1 can be used to filter running activities in charts
• Pace zones based on CV/Threshold velocity can be defined for date ranges and personalized (up to 10 zones)
• When pace zones are defined they enable:


• new running metrics such as time in zone and GOVSS
• time in pace zone in summary chart
• pace zone shading in speed histogram and mean-max charts
• pace zone binning in speed histogram using user defined zones or polarized zones

This version is still in development, but there are builds stable enough to be tested on Windows (32/64) and Mac which can be downloaded from: http://goldencheetah.stand2surf.net/

Since this is and open source project, testing, feedback and collaboration are welcome!

To debug this I would need to see one of these files, they are in the user folder (location available in about box) under activities, name is date/time and extension .json, if you don't mind sharing one of them my e-mail is amtriathlon at gmail dot com

PS: I made a mistake above, it is isRun not IsRun.

Add me to the list with marcag -- my runs aren't showing up either. I imported all my data from Garmin Connect as .tcx files; however, none of the runs are showing up as runs.

I did not -- so will I have to go to each run and manually type in "Run"?

I went through and typed in "Run" in the sport tab and still no luck trying to get them filtered.

So I'm getting the hang of the program a bit more, but it doesn't seem to be calculating COVSS. The values are only 0 or 1 on my runs. It seems to be aware they're runs, though

- is there a way to have a PMC chart for all activities (bikes and runs, or ski etc)? This would be very important to me to have an overall view of my fitness level.

- if the above is not yet possible, then what metrics should I use to create a PMC solely for runs? I started using the predefined PMC (TRIMP) which uses TRIMP STS and TRIMP LTS and Skiba Stress Balance but I get 0 for Skiba as it uses Power as expected. Is there a way to include the GOVSS data into the graph?

I also have a tiny question: I remember the fist time I used the app, under Trends, on the left side I have Charts, and if I was selecting on of them I could see them immediately on the center screen. Not anymore! Not sure what I did, but does not work (both on v3.10 or 3.11). In order to see the graphs now I have to add them individually.

Dear Ale,

You said: "At the bottom of the sidebar there are tiny icons to show/hide options shown. You can always go back to the initial layout using View->Reset Layout"

I just reset the layout, but still, if in Trends, if I select a chart from the left menu, nothing happens. Or maybe this is suppose to happen…

Thanks,
Serban

Any idea when the next stable release will go live?

Will there be any other stress scores that can be calculated that combine Run stress and cycling stress outside of HR-derived Stress scores?

Ale,

Is there a way to edit multiple workouts? I have imported my data and what, for example, to enter Workout Code and Sport on multiples in one go.

Thanks,
Serban

For those willing to try the features discussed in this thread there are new development builds available for Win32/64 and Mac32/64, they are based on source code at jan-30: http://sourceforge.net/...evelopment/20150130/

Thanks Ale

Is it compatible with the directory/structure of the previous development build ?

hi, when is GC 3.2 available for LINUX?
thanks for information!

hi, when is GC 3.2 available for LINUX?
thanks for information!

thx, for reply.
i did everything like described and ended with this two commands:

$ qmake -recursive
$ make


after that pc calculated a while, I got no errors.

I have now 2 questions:
1. how can I start the program?
2. do I have to deinstall gc 3.1 before?

I never compiled a linux programm in my life.
I think the make did not succeed ;-(

thank you very much, finally it works!

is this the right forum to post some comments?

i worked a lot with WKO+ 3.0 software in multisport mode and used the performance manager chart for training assistance.

• unfortunately the PCM in GC 3.2 which i compiled does not work. no metrik data is calculated for run, bike and swim. powerdata of bike is available and the CP chart is as expected. do i have to install something else before compiling?

• when i visualize a run activity there is a space missing after "Geschwindigkeit" 05:10 (before the pace number)

2) To have a combined PMC you can create a chart with stress curves (LTS/CTL, STS/ATL, SB/TSB) using TriScore as the base metric (https://github.com/...UG_ChartTypes_Trends). Filtering by sport allows to view them independently.

how can I delete an athlete with all its data?

there i searched at first, but i could not find it?! I also searched for *.json, no files found?!

I wanted to delete the user, because i can not set the correct date in my pace zones. the date is always 1900 instead of 2013.
the metric at running has an extraorbitant high value, since i complied and startet GC for a second time.

Hi Ale,

In TP there is something they call efficiency with is something like Normalized Grade Pace / HR.

Is there an equivalent in GC that works for the run ?

Hi Marc, there is an EfficiencyFactor for cycling (NP/HRavg in watts/bpm) and it would be easy to add another one as xPace/HRavg but I'm not sure about the units, they are always as proposed in this blog or it depends on metric/imperial setting?

When you say it could be added : programatically or by some type of configuration setting ? Can a person make up metrics that are the result of operations on other metrics ?

I mean to modify the program, perhaps enabling the existing metric for running workouts, the same would apply to Aerobic Decoupling metric.

There is an open feature request for user defined metrics but it is not implemented yet: https://github.com/...enCheetah/issues/557

I created a new FR for this. BTW that tracker is open for users to add feature requests.

3) Run/Swim metrics such us Pace/xPace can be configured to be shown at workout or interval level and xx Peak Pace as bests in https://github.com/..._Preferences_Metrics

Ale Martinez wrote:

Some progress report: we now have the power-duration models enabled for the speed mean-max chart

The classic two parameter CP model (metric units):



The GC Extended CP model (imperial units for pace):

i use linux mint mate rebecca ... meanwhile i complied GC 3.2 rc 1x

like in the previous version the GC has problems with garmin *.tcx files (exported from garmin connect) where i had some stop passages (sport: running) or very slow walking passages.
the find anomalies button finds distance goes backwards. once i deleted this lines by hand from the *.json file the metric data seemed to correct.
i also tried the automatic corrections from the menu, but that did not help.
with this invalid distance data i get very strange metrics (very high numbers).

is there an other way to fix this?

with the "find anomalies" button it is possible to detect at run activities the backwards distance sequences and speed anaomalies (very high speed) which occur while recording the GPS Signal while not moving.
if they are cutted manually and the *.json is saved and GC is restared the metrics are ok.

hi ale, is it possible to add the additional data in the interval window that appears when i click overlay?
for example the positive altitude of the actual selection?

maybe I am not the typical GC user but for me the selection is not intuitive.
by the way how can i deselect a selection that I created with hold on left mousebutton?

it would be helpful if we have all data displayed when we move the mouse over the curves. at the moment there is only one parameter at the same time visualized.

a helpline which moves with the mouse displaying all data of all graphs selected (like it is in garmin connect) would be a very nice feature.

brilliant everything works as described!

... except the deleting of selections.
if i select one selection (or multiple with ctrl-mouse click) then go to the side menu -> delete selected intervals, no selection is deleted
i tried to perform this operation during i was in all menu items (summary, details, ride, cp ...)

user intervals that i recorded with lap at my garmin, can be deleted.

is it possible to select an segment created out of an interval from a list of all stored segments somewhere in the menue or do I have to scroll every time to the activity where I defined my segment if I want to compare multiple rides with the same segment?

Technical
1. NoSQL - RideCache in memory with backing store
2. Directory Structure - /cache /config /activities etc
3. Use Native File Format - json
4. CLucene deprecated
5. KQOauth lib replaces libOAuth
6. File Quarantining
7. Google Calendar API v2
8. Measures db deprecated for a Withings cache
9. Preferences changes update optimized
General
1. Improved Merge
2. PMC Any Stress Metric
3. W'bal Zones
4. PMC Metrics on Summary and in Filters
5. CP Estimates use rolling 6 weeks not 2 calendar months
6. Added Ward-Smith PD Model
7. Lots more Fix Tools (Elevation, Power, Moxy etc)
8. Automatic importing of files
9. Hide curves via legend in LTM Plot
10. Improved performance for W'bal calculation
11. Export 'heatmap' of rides for Google Maps
12. Core Temperature Data Series Added
13. Improved Chart editing in Trend View
Intervals
1. Interval Navigator in Performance Plot
2. Interval Auto-discovery; Peaks, Hills, TTE/Sustained, Routes
3. Plot Sustained Intervals on CP chart (ride, season, compare)
4. Sustained Time In Zone metrics
5. Create intervals on the map
6. Drop Segments onto Compare Pane to add all matching intervals
Moxy
1. Direct download from device
2. Import CSV (moxy + peripedal) and FIT format
3. Merge Tool changes
4. Shift S+C to Smo2/tHB
5. Derive HHb and O2Hb from SmO2/tHb
6. Chart ride, 2d, 3d, histogram
Multisport
1. Pace Zones - Running and Swimming
2. Garmin Dynamics - Running and Cycling Dynamics
3. GOVSS, SwimScore, TriScore et al
4. CV Model
Train View
1. Tacx Vortex Electronic Trainer Support
2. Vector Support
3. Moxy Support
4. W'bal as you ride
5. New file format and import process at end of ride
6. New turbos supported.

for the 'Fix Gaps" option to edit runs, what should the tolerance and stop be set to ideally?

I'd actually already shown the Triscore as bars in my chart, which is why I noticed that many of my activities weren't showing as they have a triscore of 0, and also 0 for CTL, ATL, Daniels, etc. On looking more carefully I realize that I'm only getting these metrics on bike rides and not on any swims or runs. The speed trace looks OK on the files I've looked at. I tried clearing out the speed channel in one of the files to no avail. I put in a manual running entry and again, a trisport of 0. The Trainingpeaks multisport PMC chart is picking up all these files. So a bit baffled.

I tried to upgrade to 3.2 and now every time I open GC - it asks me to back up my files and do the upgrade as though I haven't done it. I have full admin rites, any idea what's going on?

Thanks for the help. Is there anyway for user to add their own trainers to the virtual power feature? I have 3 bikes, one power meter and I'm too lazy to move the PM from bike to bike (PM is an old wired PT and I have only one harness).

Hi,

First, great update for us triathletes in the version 3.2.
Just one little question, is it possible to see something similar to CP for running and swimming as we can see in cycling?

BR
Pierre

Sorry, I should have made myself more clear about the question.
What I was supposed to ask was a graph for swim and run like the graph with different watts / interval length for cycling.

Like for running you should have km on the x axle and then min/km on y-axle.

Great stuff again Ale and Mark! The ability to get at the data with R or other tools is awesome.

Ale Martinez wrote:

There are some chart samples using the new formulas at: https://github.com/...e/master/test/charts, for example:

To compute sTSS and to compare to SwimScore:

http://i65.tinypic.com/15dsvub.jpg

To compute (a proxy of) rTSS according what has been discussed here (http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...post=1730370#1730370) and to compare with GOVSS:

http://i67.tinypic.com/2zgbtqd.jpg

Plus other examples computing average stroke length, SWOLF, etc. To use the samples just Drag&Drop then onto GC main window.

Hi,

I downloaded GC 3.2 and the upgrade process had 150 errors. It looks like GC is trying to delete the activity files but cannot. FYI my files are in a dropbox directory.

I read the trouble shooting guide and it says the following.

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What to do:
You need to verify if the reported files "really" exist in the target sub-directory and should then delete them manually (from the athlete root folder). Also here please backup any file you plan to delete to another place in case you later find out the the deletion was a mistake.

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I'm not 100% sure what this means. What is the targe sub-directory? Is the athlete root folder the my dropbox folder?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ok, I found the sub-directory under C:\Dropbox\GoldenCheetah\<athlete_Name>\activities and deleted the .json files there.

• If I delete the files, re-start GC and abort the upgrade GC won't start
• If I delete the files, re-start GC and click 'Proceed to Athlete' the upgrade process starts and the files show up again

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here but it feels like I'm going around in circles.

Hi there!

Regarding swim metrics in Golden Cheetah: What is correct value for setting critical velocity for swimming? Is this my 1500 meters best? Is it 100 meters best? Or 400m?

Thanks :)