Just because it irks me, "freedom of speech" is a right guaranteed by The US Constitution from infringement by the GOVERNMENT. Private enterprise is allowed - and does - restrict freedom of speech all the damn time.

Added my $50 to the Go Fund Me

Just because it irks me, "freedom of speech" is a right guaranteed by The US Constitution from infringement by the GOVERNMENT. Private enterprise is allowed - and does - restrict freedom of speech all the damn time. There is (almost) nothing that makes you look more foolish than complaining about "Freedom of Speech" on a forum like this.

Second, and related the above, we - meaning Slowtwitch - are potentially liable for anything written/posted here that could be considered harmful/libelous/defamatory/etc. There is an obvious, logical, and implied skepticism when Cervelo presents its own data. When someone else is presenting data that is seemingly objective, that same skepticism may be withheld. This has the potential to be problematic. Let's take this a step further. In addition to wind tunnel testing, Kiley might also be proposing to subject these frames to impact testing to judge their "safety." The implications of such testing are massive. This was part of a "debate" I had with Publius (RIP) on another thread. The impact of negative information is outsize relative to positive data.

Negative data is typically viewed as more truthful. It would take a lot of positive data points to offset one negative data point. The damage that can be done to the reputation of a company is massive. Outside of any potential legal liability, Dan is a long time pillar of the triathlon community and is understandably reticent to allow someone who has shown a penchant for cutting down companies to present his "data" on this forum without some vetting of that information. Why should Slowtwitch enable someone who has - at least superficially - demonstrated that they have an axe to grind tear into those companies who actually support this sport?

Trolls have in fact won the internet. https://theoutline.com/...-the-trolls-have-won

And the response is always the same from most of these people, who - in person - are decent enough. "I thought it was obvious I was just playing a role; I was just being a devil's advocate..." Bullshit. You're sniping from the cheap seats. All these companies have real skin in the game. And if you don't think as a part of this community that you have some responsibility to support the companies that help make this sport possible, I'm sorry. We here at Slowtwitch feel that we do have that responsibility.

I may come for a few hours as an independent observer and snag pics

BryanD comes through with the P5-X, and you all deliver a big boost to the funding, with a generous commitments from both Dans and many others. Really pleased with all the support here.

Thank you

If you do that you should add the TTs to the mix as well.

Can you guys get someone to setup a youtube live session during the testing? A2 has wifi available right?

Man up? What are you a high school football coach??? He's worried about, among other things, legal liability. And his posts on this topic are already his evidence in that potential lawsuit that he publicly expressed healthy skepticism and that he s going to require some level of knowledge and professionalism about this--exactly what I' telling him to do if I were his lawyer. Privately, I suspect he is saying " hell yeah, go for it Kiley!" Are you going to man up and foot the legal bill if things go south for him based upon something he allowed to be published on his site?? That's the question you should ask yourself today.

I know this is a late addition but can we do some wheel testing. Everyone wants to know how the new Corsa Speed and Supersonic are aerowise. I am riding Jimmy's Ventum 51 tomorrow for testing.....I could also bring new Corsa Speeds, Supersonics, brand new old Supersonic 23mm as well (I have two left), along with HED JET+, and ROVAL CLX 64s.