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Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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Never try anything for the first time in a race!
I've used epoxy resin a couple of times, but never polyester, which I selected for cost and time savings. I just bolted home for lunch, and a quick polyester test was successful. It melted things I thought it would melt (Styrofoam) but didn't melt things I didn't want it to melt (garbage bags, nylon webbing, plastic handles, wax paper cups). Compared to epoxy, polyester sets up fast. I'm hoping the test will be cured by this evening. If there are no surprises, I'll lay up the first shell.
My cheap camera was damaged during a recent adventure. It failed completely after the picture of the plug, that's why only half a pic was posted. I'm looking for a solution. I'm reluctant to take expensive gear near all this sticky stuff.
I've used epoxy resin a couple of times, but never polyester, which I selected for cost and time savings. I just bolted home for lunch, and a quick polyester test was successful. It melted things I thought it would melt (Styrofoam) but didn't melt things I didn't want it to melt (garbage bags, nylon webbing, plastic handles, wax paper cups). Compared to epoxy, polyester sets up fast. I'm hoping the test will be cured by this evening. If there are no surprises, I'll lay up the first shell.
My cheap camera was damaged during a recent adventure. It failed completely after the picture of the plug, that's why only half a pic was posted. I'm looking for a solution. I'm reluctant to take expensive gear near all this sticky stuff.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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any updates yet? looking forward to some new pictures.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [kus]
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I'm on schedule to finish both cases tomorrow. The only trouble so far was separating the first half of the first case from the plug. Instead of waxing the plug, I'm going to wrap the plug in plastic so I can leave handles to pull it free from the next three shells. The project is $3.50 over budget, and I'll need to spend $30 more. Unfortunately, my cheap camera isn't working. A backup camera is on the way.
Construction order for first half of first case:
Wax the plug - done
Apply chopped fiberglass matting - done
Apply regular matting - done
Reinforce strap, wheel and harness areas - done
Affix straps - done
Reinforce strap, wheel and harness areas again - done
Apply Kevlar - done
Remove half case from plug - done
Still to do on first half of first case:
Affix Velcro
Affix strap exit reinforcement
Apply polish/finish topcoat
Though the cases will be ready, I'll probably wait to affix wheels and harnesses until after this trip.
Starting the second half of the first case.
Construction order for first half of first case:
Wax the plug - done
Apply chopped fiberglass matting - done
Apply regular matting - done
Reinforce strap, wheel and harness areas - done
Affix straps - done
Reinforce strap, wheel and harness areas again - done
Apply Kevlar - done
Remove half case from plug - done
Still to do on first half of first case:
Affix Velcro
Affix strap exit reinforcement
Apply polish/finish topcoat
Though the cases will be ready, I'll probably wait to affix wheels and harnesses until after this trip.
Starting the second half of the first case.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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I love the focus on cheapness (as in managing the budget). What most STer's don't know is that this the fastest way to retiring early and riding the bike full time while everyone else slogs away chained to a desk or factory to service their toys!
Keep the updates coming. Yesterday I was trying to figure out if I could get my frame and wheels in a hockey goalie bag. Getting the frame in does not appear to be an issue, but most goalie bags are 20x20x40. My frame length is 96 cm (37.7 inches), so that works with removing the derrailleur, but the wheels 27 inche are the big problem.
Keep the updates coming. Yesterday I was trying to figure out if I could get my frame and wheels in a hockey goalie bag. Getting the frame in does not appear to be an issue, but most goalie bags are 20x20x40. My frame length is 96 cm (37.7 inches), so that works with removing the derrailleur, but the wheels 27 inche are the big problem.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [devashish_paul]
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OK, here is a hockey bag that is 44 inches x20 x20 so big enough for larger frames assuming you remove the drive side crank:
http://www.canadiantire.ca/...%2BBag%252C%2BXL.jsp
You could load the frame and all the gear in this and damonhenry could make all of us something with fiberglass for wheels.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/...%2BBag%252C%2BXL.jsp
You could load the frame and all the gear in this and damonhenry could make all of us something with fiberglass for wheels.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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I have been watching your post with interest. I am very interested in a bike case that would allow me to ship my bike and avoid any chance of getting airline luggage surcharges. I think that your case as designed will probably not escape these surcharges. What are the final dimensions of your case? I think they will be about 27.5" x 41.5" x 8". This adds up to 77 linear inches. This is well over the 62" limit that most airlines allow, so you will get charged for oversized luggage.
I have been thinking that it might be better to split the bike into two separate cases. One for the wheels and one for the frame (with fork removed).
I have found this wheel case, that while expensive, adds up to 65 linear inches, just over the 62" limit. Wheel safe
I have been trying to find a case to put the frame into, but so far the have been unable to find one that meets my needs. My preliminary measurements indicate that I need to have a case that measures 28" x 28" x 8". this gives me 64" linear inches, again just over the 62" limit. I may be able to get by with a smaller case by removing the crank as well.
Has anyone gone this route for shipping their bike?
I have been thinking that it might be better to split the bike into two separate cases. One for the wheels and one for the frame (with fork removed).
I have found this wheel case, that while expensive, adds up to 65 linear inches, just over the 62" limit. Wheel safe
I have been trying to find a case to put the frame into, but so far the have been unable to find one that meets my needs. My preliminary measurements indicate that I need to have a case that measures 28" x 28" x 8". this gives me 64" linear inches, again just over the 62" limit. I may be able to get by with a smaller case by removing the crank as well.
Has anyone gone this route for shipping their bike?
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [wd]
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A wheel safe, plus a hockey roller bag will cover it. Technically most of the hockey bags are also just over the oversized limit though wrt to linear inches, but I think it might work.
I've had good success with my Akona bike case, but it does not have wheels and that annoys me.
I've had good success with my Akona bike case, but it does not have wheels and that annoys me.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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Have you thought of using PVA mold release after waxing to aid pulling the part from the plug? I use it all the time for aircraft composite parts and it works like a charm.
Good luck with your project!
Patrick
Good luck with your project!
Patrick
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [devashish_paul]
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The akona case looks pretty good to me. What are the outside dimensions when fully packed with a bike and wheels? I am kind of apprehensive about using a softsided case to hold my bike. are you comfortable shipping your bike on airlines using this case? Would it protect a carbon frame adequately?
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [wd]
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You're right. This will not be under the 62" limit. My frame alone is larger than that. I played the game of making it all look as small as possible. If ST'ers are getting their small soft bike bags through without charges, this bag is considerably smaller. Other goals:
Protection - my frame is fragile and increasingly rare. There are many custom parts that I don't want broken. Looking inexpensive or unfamiliar often prevents theft.
Ease of travel - I wanted a small person to be able to manage her own gear.
Protection - my frame is fragile and increasingly rare. There are many custom parts that I don't want broken. Looking inexpensive or unfamiliar often prevents theft.
Ease of travel - I wanted a small person to be able to manage her own gear.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [ShaverR6]
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Great suggestion. Yes. PVA should work. Even with that, I'd recommend handles on the plug. The wax released fine. Simply putting handles on my plug would have been all that was needed. Without something to grip, the styrofoam plug didn't have the weight to drop free. The good news is that it took my knee against the middle of the case, while pulling with a good portion of my body weight to bend the case, and another person pulling the plug to get it out. The case is strong, but wouldn't survive being crushed by a vehicle, so I'll be careful not to run over it.
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Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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Very nice work so far.
Another cheap way to reinforce the shell would be to use carbon TOW. Its basically unwoven carbon strands on a spool that would add stiffness in the direction it is oriented. You could add it to the interior of the case if it turns out to be too flexy.
Cant wait to see more progress.
P.S. Compressed air blasted in between the plug and mold works well to "pop" the two apart.
Patrick
Another cheap way to reinforce the shell would be to use carbon TOW. Its basically unwoven carbon strands on a spool that would add stiffness in the direction it is oriented. You could add it to the interior of the case if it turns out to be too flexy.
Cant wait to see more progress.
P.S. Compressed air blasted in between the plug and mold works well to "pop" the two apart.
Patrick
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [ShaverR6]
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Patrick, thanks for sharing your experience! cured, the first piece is plenty stiff. I'll look into the TOW, to learn more. Definitely trying the PVA on the third shell. Plastic worked, but left small wrinkles of polyester on the inside. No harm, just no reason.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [devashish_paul]
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Building a case is neither working at the job, nor riding the bike. It has it's own costs and rewards. You, Slowtwitchers and triathletes are fun because we all pay attention to the game of resource management. Everyone picks his or her battles.
A quick update. I probably won't be able to post for two weeks as I travel:
The first case was proof of concept. It weighs almost 11 pounds. Dimensions are 38" x 27" x 8". It's plenty strong. I'll report back with how it travels and if I get charged.
So much was learned making the first case, and life outside of triathlon demanded attention, so I decided to travel with our existing case for our second bike, and delay building the second case. Why use the resources now, when a bit of planning will allow me to implement improvements?
A quick update. I probably won't be able to post for two weeks as I travel:
The first case was proof of concept. It weighs almost 11 pounds. Dimensions are 38" x 27" x 8". It's plenty strong. I'll report back with how it travels and if I get charged.
So much was learned making the first case, and life outside of triathlon demanded attention, so I decided to travel with our existing case for our second bike, and delay building the second case. Why use the resources now, when a bit of planning will allow me to implement improvements?
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DamonHenry: Nov 21, 09 21:53
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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Summary:
The case traveled well. Technically, it is an oversize bag, if measured at its extremes. The rounded corners make measurement less likely. Wheels were a nice feature. Backpack function doesn't seem important. The kevlar hinge functioned flawlessly. The case is much stronger than it needs to be. A couple of pounds could be shed during construction. Less expensive materials could be used to further cut costs. I wasn't charged extra to, nor from Cozumel. Leaving Cozumel, there were a number of other bikes being checked. Everyone else in my party (including someone with a white box the same length, height and width but with square corners) was charged for their bikes, but not me. It appeared all other travelers with bikes were being charged. Airlines don't seem attentive to case thickness. Going to 10" thick probably wouldn't draw much more attention. Keeping weight down is important. The case drew more attention when I packed it with bike, tools and fluids than when it only contained bike and clothes. Downside: everyone I traveled with wants one. Thanks to everyone for your encouragement, tips and advice.
The case traveled well. Technically, it is an oversize bag, if measured at its extremes. The rounded corners make measurement less likely. Wheels were a nice feature. Backpack function doesn't seem important. The kevlar hinge functioned flawlessly. The case is much stronger than it needs to be. A couple of pounds could be shed during construction. Less expensive materials could be used to further cut costs. I wasn't charged extra to, nor from Cozumel. Leaving Cozumel, there were a number of other bikes being checked. Everyone else in my party (including someone with a white box the same length, height and width but with square corners) was charged for their bikes, but not me. It appeared all other travelers with bikes were being charged. Airlines don't seem attentive to case thickness. Going to 10" thick probably wouldn't draw much more attention. Keeping weight down is important. The case drew more attention when I packed it with bike, tools and fluids than when it only contained bike and clothes. Downside: everyone I traveled with wants one. Thanks to everyone for your encouragement, tips and advice.
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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I WANT ONE!!!
11 LBS and not elephant-sized; when do you start production?
DFL > DNF > DNS
11 LBS and not elephant-sized; when do you start production?
DFL > DNF > DNS
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [DamonHenry]
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So awesome man. Thanks for posting. That thing is sweet. You need some wheels for the production version. You are correct, now one would ever believe there is a bike in there.
This should be submitted for triathlon innovation of the year!
This should be submitted for triathlon innovation of the year!
Re: Slowtwitch-think Bike Case [devashish_paul]
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Would a regular diamond frame fit in there?
So someone had a case the exact same size as yours but with corners, and they got charged for a bike while you didn't?
Was this simply because their case was recognized as holding a bike, and yours wasn't?
Was this simply because their case was recognized as holding a bike, and yours wasn't?