But Sam didn't break any rules...

The cockpit in the OP looks like all canyon parts, with the pro-only riser and optional long cups

Shambolic wrote:

But Sam didn't break any rules...

In my eyes he did break a rule. Not with the motos but the fairing rule and taping his poles like he did.
"(b) Fairings are prohibited. Any device added or blended into the structure that may decrease, or that has the effect of decreasing, resistance to air penetration, or that may artificially accelerate propulsion, such as a protective screen, fuselage form fairing or the like, is prohibited; (DSQ)"

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He's pushing boundaries and if he wasn't penalised then he hasn't broken any rules. Maybe IM need to tighten up next year and enforce them? There are no rules in IM but is it fair Iden was one of a very few athletes with 50mm stack shoes? Should there be a rule? Boundaries are there to be pushed, rules are put in place and the officials need to enforce them if deemed to be crossed. Any competitive athlete would be stupid not to push them to the maximum for any advantage, be aware of the consequences and accept the outcome if considered to have broken them. End of story in my book.

Well thats is wrong. Not being prosecuted does not mean innocent.
He wasn't penalised because the rule was not enforced. But to the rule book a rule was broken.

Some extreme examples of the same logic
If a doper is not tested or caught. He is still cheating.
If someone commits a murder but is not found. That person is still a murderer.

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Only difference is everything was visible to the judge and they gave judgement by not prosecuting. Very different logic. Are you now the judge?

Didn’t break any rules or wasn’t penalized? Cus in our sport you can clearly get away with breaking rules and not get caught in many instances (they got what 5 or so judges for what 100 pro’s + 2k AG athletes, you’ll spend a good amount of time “alone” in our sport). You even suggesting to find the “fastest” spot is a little head scratching considering they tell you where to ride. You don’t get to ride wherever you want to find the fastest “slip stream” or anything.

If that’s your logic, sounds good.

SL was not in front of the refs the entire time. No one in our sport is and we’ve seen clearly many times “drafting” and getting away with it. By this logic they didn’t break any rules since they didn’t get penalized.

(And this is not a SL attack….I’m going after this idea that front pack athlete can ride anywhere they want of their choosing or that it’s so difficult to ride to the right. Yes I get people will slide over on occasion but when your closer to the yellow line then “right” several times that’s a riding position error. Like I can understand floating off the right by a few feet, but 5-6 feet and then you tell me they are trying to find the “fastest” spot, that’s an error….plain and simple)

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Well he was very visible to all the judges the whole race and wasn’t penalised so I figure he mustn’t have broken any rules. Must have just pushed the boundaries to the extreme.

And I made an edit I’m not having this discussion as some “attack” on SL. You know for a fact he was in front of the judges the entire time? Based on what?

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I’m saying whenever he was in front of the judges he was deemed as riding within the rules.

Right and yet they have him on the broadcast as riding in positions that on several occasions caused the ex pro’s who know the rules to question his position.

So if your logic is he didn’t get a penalty so nothing to see here cool. I just don’t think that’s a very good sound assessment within our sport where we have so few officials and way more athletes and real estate to cover + potential evidence of an infraction. And of course we see the leader on the road much more guy ranked 38th 1hour back. So that’s just how it’ll go, that eyes are more on the leaders and thus their actions are more “judgeable” than the bop pros.

I mean our sport is basically built on the honor system with the rules but yet no one ever tells an official they “broke a rule”. You only broke a rule if you get penalized for it essentially.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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Yet the rule they are questioning is in regards to staying right to not impede riders passing him. How many riders did SL block?

No one, and that's not the rule infraction that is being debated. He imo violated and/or was in potential for a position foul (riding right rule). So I'm debating that apparently the leader of the race gets to ride anywhere he wants, while everyone else has to ride right? That seems to be what you are suggesting (and the other user).

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By this (riding right rule) you speak of you mean a ‘blocking’ infraction?

This is nothing to do with blocking: the rules require a rider to keep right (or left in countries where vehicles drive on the left) except when passing or for safety.
5.04 (h) Athletes must ride single file on the far-right side (or left side depending on local
law) of the bike course road except when passing another athlete (or for reasons of
safety). (5:00 Minute Time Penalty or 30 or 60 Second Time Penalty (as applicable))
[exceptions listed at (i) on p20 of 30]
https://ironman.kleecks-cdn.com/cdn2/attachments/document/5326-2664364/2022_IRONMAN_Competition_Rules_-_English_Version_-_30march2022_-_FINAL_.pdf#_ga=2.218352282.2045724340.1648425032-260277762.1569464052

I thought the rule was there so you don’t block (impede passing riders)?

Take out all the positions, just for a thought experiment. If the front person was allowed to ride anywhere they wanted, how would a person pass them or how would they know when a person is passing them (to get out of the way). I've seen plenty of times people "sneak" up on you, etc. So just taking everything out of it, how would you propose they address those types of things?

The simpliest position for racers passing and race officials to pass etc is for athletes to always "ride right".

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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Funny how you omitted some of the rule text to suit you narrative. No where does it say you will be penalised for riding not to the right in this case. It states that if you ride side by side you will be penalised for drafting or blocking. I think you check mated yourself there. Thanks for the link ;)

(h) Athletes must ride single file on the far-right side (or left side depending on local law) of the bike course road except when passing another athlete (or for reasons of safety). Side-by-side riding is not permitted and may result in a drafting or blocking violation; (5:00 Minute Time Penalty or 30 or 60 Second Time Penalty (as applicable))

I've been penalized before for riding to the left even though I wasn't blocking or riding next to anyone. There are two clauses to that rule. First, you must ride to the right wherever possible. Second, you can't ride side-by-side. Those are independent statements though.

That may be your interpretation but I don't read it that way. I learnt the rule blocking in my second IM trying to avoid a drafting bunch that sat up when they heard the motorbike and I wasn't sure if I could go three wide and not wanting to brake. Was a hard lesson but to me the rule reads when interacting with other riders to me. Blocked someone or drafting.

How do you know you aren't impeding other riders when you are riding left?

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I’ll insert your own commentary.

That may be your interpretation but I don't read it that way.

But again to each their own.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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Did he block anyone?

With a basic comprehension of english how I read it and obviously the officials do the same maybe?
Edit: Maybe why you had to edit the rules to suit your narrative?

Maybe I had to edit the rules? WTF are you talking about?

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II