I think we are getting the signals crossed.

Should a race require this?
At this point if it means that the required permits from the local municipality will be granted vs denied, then yes.
If it helps with securing insurance. Yes
If it makes people feel safer and will increase participation. Yes/maybe

If this is manageable, then why not. If this becomes exclusionary, then no. If there is a secure safe way to provide proof, then why not.

Triathlons are a hobby, you don't have a right to compete. Doing this may cost races 10-15% of their revenue (losing racers) for racing. There may be added costs associated with validating proof of vaccination (Will race fees increase). In general, I doubt this will be cost effective and useful, but if it can be and the race director wants to do it, then why not. We all choose what races we participate in. Some choose Ironman. Those that don't like their (IM) policies, race elsewhere. We have choice.

At this point in the pandemic, I would say that if it is required to get permits, then 1. Is it safe to race? 2. Is the municipality just playing CYA?

Dan - I am pro vax and will get my second shot Sunday. However, you are mixing apples and oranges in your argument by suggesting that because there are situations where an FDA approved vaccine is required (aka smallpox for schools) that it is therefore OK to require an experimental vaccine that is not FDA approved to participate in society. I received 4 of the 6 series anthrax vaccine shots when I was in the military before a federal court ruled that the Dept of Defense had no right to force military members to take experimental vaccines. That stopped the military anthrax program cold, and that's why DoD cannot/willnot FORCE its members to take any of the COVID vaccines. Further, Florida has already issued an executive order banning vaccine passports and other states are considering similar measures. The proposal for a mandatory covid vax to participate in triathlons is a non-starter.

"Pentagon leaders say they will not require their personnel to take the vaccine until the U.S. Food and Drug Administration gives its full approval of the drug. So far, the FDA has only given emergency authorization that allowed for the initial distribution of the vaccine. It could be up to two years before the full approval comes, military officials have told VOA."

what i mean is, vaccines (in general) are a requirement for the attendance of public schools. are they not? maybe not. not for covid, but for smallpox, chickenpox and the like. so, the idea of a vaccine as the cost of participation is not a novel concept. but i don't have kids so i don't know. maybe your unvaccinated kid can attend school fine.

I work at a mass vaccination site. Blank CDC vaccination cards are freely available to all workers. We fill out the vaccine dose and date on the cards and give the cards to patients and ask them to fill in their name and DOB when they get home. Some patients come back for their 2nd dose without their cards, so we give them another card and ask them to merge the two cards when they get home.

Those are facts. We can speculate from there what could happen, what might have happened. I don't know but can take a pretty good guess.

the problem with the vaccination cards is that - as has been pointed out earlier in the thread - you can just download the artwork, print it out, write in there what you want, and voila, proof of vaccine. so, yeah, i hear you, but i think you'd need to back that up with a stick, as in, legislation that provides for a penalty if you create false "proof" of a vaccine. afaik, there is no stick. so, an RD could (say) threaten to ban you for life. but he'd have to prove you didn't get the vaccine, which is tough in the era of HIPPA.

i have reached out to a number of places, asking what constitutes proof. i mean, we can do 1 of 2 things, and i'm undecided which. we can bag the whole idea of a covid passport, because it'll all be moot by the fall anyway; or we can do it right. and if we do it right, then we need to take this seriously which we (as far as i can tell) are not yet doing. there just is no way to get anybody in health care or industry to seriously address these questions with answers.

I work at a mass vaccination site. Blank CDC vaccination cards are freely available to all workers. We fill out the vaccine dose and date on the cards and give the cards to patients and ask them to fill in their name and DOB when they get home. Some patients come back for their 2nd dose without their cards, so we give them another card and ask them to merge the two cards when they get home.

Those are facts. We can speculate from there what could happen, what might have happened. I don't know but can take a pretty good guess.

so i called minute clinic to see why my covid vaccine was NOT on my mychart account, and got put on eternal hold. but i'm going to push thru this, because if a vaccine passport is a possible thing, then something other than that card they give you when you get your vaccine is going to need to be required, it seems to me.

Actually, this is wrong. No, everyone doesn't make their own choices. I don't have the choice to drive drunk, I don't have the choice not to pay my taxes, and I don't have the choice to sell alcohol and tobacco to minors. And you cannot protect yourself if the rest of your community are acting like a**holes.

EDIT: But of course, you always could use your automatic weapon to protect yourself from infection. There's that.

My vaccine shots, which I received at a commercial pharmacy, are listed in the claim history provided by my prescription provider, so I assume I might be able to use that as a secondary source of proof of vaccination.

Actually, this is wrong. No, everyone doesn't make their own choices. I don't have the choice to drive drunk, I don't have the choice not to pay my taxes, and I don't have the choice to sell alcohol and tobacco to minors. And you cannot protect yourself if the rest of your community are acting like a**holes.

EDIT: But of course, you always could use your automatic weapon to protect yourself from infection. There's that.

‘can’t be done’

You're assuming the only way to provide proof is a vax card

In NY, they just launched ( I believe the 1st state to do so) an app called Excelsior Pass which shows your vaccine data. Eliminates the need to carry the card

This pass can to be used to enter establishments/venues that are requiring proof of vaccination (the NYC arenas/stadiums, off the top of my head)

LA County, I have a digital vaccination record by a platform called Healthvana, requires a secure log in. My record is saved as a pdf and in my apple wallet. Wasn't something I asked for, was just sent to me, Has my mfg and dates.

It seems the only solution to vaccine card fraud is.... A microchip!