Patrick, the CT + Heat lamp + humidity spray was patented by Ken Glah training in Pennsylvania and showing up as white as a ghost in the spring and dusting Mark Allen and Dave Scott in spring events. It definitely works!!! Maybe we need a special CT "roller unit" that is corrugated to create the chip seal affect and you have the full IM Texas simulation.

I do agree that people are more interested in camps on challenging courses. You can definitely train for any course just by following your powermeter, but you can't train for an 80 kph Keene descent on the computrainer. Hopefully we will see you and your crew back in LP and Tremblant this summer. If you have nothing going on for Tremblant, send your guys my way as its just a free weekend of "train till you drop" on the course (well actually we have some climbs off the course that make race day easier, and the run course we use is tougher and more scenic and uses the same bike path network but in a more hilly/forested area that connects to the Nordic ski section....a bike path is a bike path).

Keep in mind that when those parts of the option 1 course were regular training routes, Tomball and the surrounding areas were much different then. It's probably been at least 10 years since I've been out that way on a bike. Tomball has grown significantly since then and in my opinion it's a much more unfriendly cycling community then Magnolia and Montgomery.

I would expect everything to be fine on race day but can you imagine the issues year round with hordes of triathletes on Nichols Sawmill as well as Dobbin Huffsmith (between 149 and 2978)? It won't be pretty.

Patrick, thanks for chiming in. Sounds like the EN IMTX camp will be coming to an end if I'm reading between your not so subtle lines. :-)

We are poking fun but I can guarantee you that there will be some IMTX training camps next year. For what reason I don't know, but they will nevertheless exist.

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Dev, get me the details on the Tremblant thing. I am sidelined and just deferred there from TX...but no camp on the schedule because we'll be in LP, so our athletes will be looking for something.

Hope you and family are well,

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Patrick, the dates are on my sig line for when we will be in LP and also Tremblant. Would love to have you and some of your crew join us in Tremblant. I am personally sidelined for running (spent the last 4ish months on crutches due to nerve issues from 2011 crash), but recently got a green light that this is solvable and I will return to full health which means I can run and race in the future. That time is not now. I am swimming a ton (90K per month) and riding the trainer, so I will be at both epicmans for the swim+bike....they might be my "A" event for the year while I rehab the walking and running.

I'll post more details at some point, but mark the dates. Tremblant starts on Friday evening at 3 pm, then Sat 6 am and Sun 7 am. Just book your hotels and show up with your gear for all three sports at the tennis courts by the beach club ready to train continuously. Fri is 11K run including Casino road hill climb, then a 50 bike with a TT on the Duplesis Loop and casino road hill climb, plus ether an 8K run or a 3k swim (depending on what your A event is, you may or may not want to do more running), Sat is 4K/190k bike/8K run. Bike includes 2x Casino Road hill climb. Sunday is 4K swim, 55K ride with 2x Casino Hill Climb and 10K run. Sunday is done by 11 am, so plenty of time do "drive home". Fri starts late enough that people from as far away as 6-8 hours can make the start times.

By the way, what has you sidelined?

I am aware of the extension...and counting on it. What I am saying is that I doubt that it will be extended again. 10 years and good bye.

Got it! I've got some hip pain...still trying to rule things out. Something ain't right. nothing on the MRI really (slight superior labral tear but not clinically significant) and Xray is good as well....shot on Monday with a steroid to determine if it's hip or the surrounding tissue...fingers crossed!

I might just have to show up to hang out with you...just starting swimming again...

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Much speculation on this thread. Any one In The Know care to comment on any new information?

Biggest concern I have is suggestion of 10 loop crit environment to not default on contract ......with lapped traffic, random swerving at aid stations.....this would be a disaster..... Drafting and marshals ..... Good luck.

That wasn't an option in the presentation?? Where did that come from?

 
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The Woodlands Township would likely resort to bike circuits around the perimeter of town before breaking the contract and allowing the race go elsewhere.

I would expect everything to be fine on race day but can you imagine the issues year round with hordes of triathletes on Nichols Sawmill as well as Dobbin Huffsmith (between 149 and 2978)? It won't be pretty.

Yes! Having seen the way triathletes ride, in my own community, and in the two Ironman race locations I am most familiar with and have been to frequently - Lake Placid and Penticton, painting with a broad brush, triathletes are the problem.


It's not the full solution, but triathletes when out riding in groups need to start to follow proper road riding protocol and etiquette. You don't own the road or the lane. You are sharing it with motorists!


In Lake Placid and Penticton, when I have been in both communities in the past, on those big training weekends, I have been witness to some of the worst road riding protocol, and etiquette violations I have ever seen by triathletes . . . and then, harassing the motorists for giving them a hard time!! Is it any wonder that there are moderately large cohorts in these Ironman race location areas, that don't like the race and triathletes!

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10K loop sounds insane, but it is not as bad as it sounds. 10,000m, with 2000 riders is one rider every 5m. It's really not that "tight" given that in general, the field does not occupy the entire 180K simultaneously. If you take the delta between the 5 hour rider and the 7 hour rider at best the field is spread over 2 hours, which is around 60K, but it is not evenly spaced over that. The reality is the bulk of the field is barely spread out of a rolling swath of 10-30K or so (it spreads out more as the race progresses).

In terms of lapping the riders who are 10K behind will not suddenly latch onto guys 10K ahead. A few slow swimmers "may" for a short time, but in general it all spreads out.

Yes however 5m spacing will likely land riders in the penalty tent.....

Any updates? Some one mentioned on the FB page that there are people pulling out and transferring to Boulder for $50 fee. Last Day to do this is March 30th? I will try to see what options are later today on transfers. End result is if Kona is the goal for this year for any racers entered in TX then options are running out for NA based races.

Nothing really new in this article but the Houston Chronicle has finally picked up the story:


http://www.chron.com/...his-year-7212607.php

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That article does not sound too promising. I am thinking of transferring to Whistler.

I sure hope it works out because I want to come next year, but if the bike leg falls out this year, they will lose a massive number of registrations for 2017. No one at WTC is going to be able to point to an act of nature either.

I have thought about transferring to Coeur d'Alene. That course suits me better and the additional slots with (likely) a less competitive field, would mean my odds are fairly similar. The downside is (1) trying to maintain/regain my fitness for an August race and staying injury-free, (2) my hotel rooms are non-refundable and (3) travel to CdA would be significantly more expensive. Keeping my fingers crossed and, of course "resorting to the prayer."

I'm signed up for IMTX. The gift I received from my family to be have the time to train for this isn't going to transfer or be extended. They better get this figured out. How can they screw up the North American Championship this badly? This is bush league.

If anyone knows the RD and can provide a useful update on the likelihood of obtaining an approved bike course, that information would be most useful by tomorrow, March 30, which is the race transfer deadline.

The update is April 4/5 they want a decision by is what I am hearing. That is all the news out there right now. Will update as more comes out.

Hi all,

Can someone please post the link to the transfer/options that have been mentioned?

I don't see it anywhere on IMTX's facebook, IMTX website, nor has anyone from WTC sent out any information to registrants as far as I've seen; which is deplorable that we'd find out through other means since we've already registered.

Where did this March 30th deadline come from?

Thank you!

It is under the "Partial Refund and Transfer Policy" section on the registration page.

http://www.ironman.com/...r.aspx#axzz44KlpEuyR

Ah...sorry, I thought there was something specific from IMTX regarding this new development.

Thanks!

The only communication I have received from Ironman Texas recently is an ironic email telling me to use Best Bike Split to predict my bike time. I love to, but...

Sorry but it's very unlikely that you're going to get anyone to post anything definitive or useful for you to make a decision on this today.

However, it's not really something I would worry about. As much as people like to criticize WTC for one thing or another I think at the end of the day they try to do the right thing by their customer. In this context, what I'm saying is that the 3/30 transfer deadline will likely be irrelevant if for some reason they are unable to get a bike course lined up. If that happens they will issue refunds or allow transfers where the can. Again, focus on what you can control - your training - and don't worry about this. It will all work out in the end.