Agreed on all points.

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2024: Bevoman, Galveston, Alcatraz, Marble Falls, Santa Cruz

What do you mean hard to cable? The frame is big enough that you can probably walk the cables through, lol.

Just looking at the bike I would rather work on that than some of the earlier stupid 3/4 day to assemble Treks.
Tried running new cables on a Felt IA yet? Takes half an hour just to pull the stem and top apart.
Yep, you guess it, I'm in the game.
I would rather work on hydro discs than any dumb aero bike caliper setup.
Who wants to take off chainrings just to adjust the pad centering, and then find they are out again the next time the poor guy rides it.
File down $60 pads so they fit the dumb frame placement and then grind a bit off the arms to clear the frame or stages.
Change pads when the race wheels go in and set them up again.
Have to do a cable overhaul after every couple of months as the gears are changing shit.
C'mon, exactly what on that bike would be hard to work on, or require even half as much maintenance as the current crop of cable twisting nightmares?

Even the lowest common denominator can flip brake connects and unplug a single electrical cable to pack it.
And when they put it together it is all still adjusted perfectly.
It even looks easy to clean.

TriRig Omegas are pretty damn easy to work on. I agree, however, regarding Treks.

Can you give me an example of "flipping brake connects"? I remember installing Shimano hydro disc brakes on my hardtail back in February and no part of that process seems like it would be easy to undo for travel.

Don't worry everyone, there is no need to ride or see the Andean in person. 42x16ss has already determined it to be crap.

He has determined from looking at pictures on the internet that it is heavy.
He has determined from looking at pictures on the Internet that it will climb and descend poorly.
He has determined from pictures on the Internet that it will ride harshly.

I would think if a person has so much knowledge that they can determine so much from the pictures of a bike and pre release press how good a bike will be, bike companies should just put you on retainer and send all their sketches to you instead of having engineers or further design team.

Trash compartment, storage, disc brakes.

No shower, no build-in navigation system, not even a f@#@$ radio to listen on long rides? .... I will wait.

I wonder how much power you loose to dispose empty gel package, if we are fighting for seconds, I'm afraid I would not be environmental friendly :0

Canadian version also already on the market:

http://bicycledesign.net/...t-snow-bike-by-venn/

If we're fighting for seconds I'll show the officials video from my integrated camera and get your ass handed a 5:00 penalty for littering.

https://vimeo.com/85855556


You can also use Formula inline speed locks.

http://formula-usa.com/...ucts/speed-lock-hose

That's actually really interesting to me. In theory you could completely disconnect the cockpit for travel. Cool.

I didn't say it was crap, I said it's not for me ;)

Maybe Diamondback have put more thought into this than I give them credit for, but after cabling and maintaining bikes like Speed Concepts, IAs, P5s etc, as well as catering to the occasional clueless owner, I like simplicity.

This does look fast, but I'd like to know how they are on the overall ownership front (something that seems to be a secondary consideration here) before I'd even consider parting with that kind of money.

Hello Tom A. and All,

I like the aero design of the new DB Andean Bike .... I think the principle of fairing a large part of the bike to reduce drag is a good one.

This faired design below was good for World Record of 89.59 mph ......



While the Andean design increases the wetted area .... I would expect the trade off to be in favor of better laminar flow.

Tom .... agreeing with your point regarding the Andean/Weiss wind tunnel readouts .... but noting that in the photo rider Weiss may not have a well fitted position on the bike ....

This Cervelo P3C (old model) instance in the photo below is at a lower speed .... about 20 mph ...... without a skin suit ... but with several drag reducing View-Speed items .... near the same beta (yaw) but possibly from a different side which would create some measurable difference to the Andean readouts.

Also I should note that I was wearing View-Speed Cyclops glasses so I could keep my head down while reading the drag information of the run projected in real time on the tunnel ahead of me and observe small changes in position that improved or degraded the CDA.

However ..... considering just these data points as they exist ..... the CDA difference between the P3C and the Andean are noticeable.





I am hoping that if the Andean design is approved for triathlon ... we will be able to add similiar 'storage' areas to our existing bikes to provide the same utility.

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Cheers, Neal

+1 mph Faster

Some really good stuff here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqyWncL9nc4

They clearly read this thread.

Hmmm.... seems like they did not address the most important questions (at least what I think they are).

1) Does the concept of the "aero core" keeping flow laminar from the front wheel all the way to the back hold when you have a rider on, pedaling, with feet and shins moving all over that area?

2) Wind tunnel data of this bike, tested along with the top competitors, set up in comparable sizes and comparable equipment. Even better would be rider-on velodrome test comparisons. Is this bike actually more aero than a P5 or an IA? Right now I would say maybe but we do not know. If that data looked good, why would they not post it?

I thought the best part of the video was his explanation of why riders should not fear cross-winds on the bike.

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Seeing as how Rachel McBride and Matt Russell raced this weekend, did either ride this bike?

Matt did not and won't be in Kona. Just not enough TITS for him to get comfortable in it before the World Champs.

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Which wheels would you get with this bike?

The HED 9s (pictured I think) or the HED 6s? Or a combo of these or some other combo?

You need some exposed cable at the cockpit for these "solutions" to provide any value

If implemented exactly as you see there. But would not be hard to imagine a scenario or implementation that doesn't require it.

And even if not - it doesnt have to be exposed. Just covered until it needs exposed. It'd be an excellent solution I think as long as implemented correctly.

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"One Line Robert"

I just have to say how much better this bike looks in black.

Today's front page Kona feature has a pic of the Andean in black and it is a totally different look. And the article says that pics don't do it justice so I am assuming it is even cooler/better in person.

My favorite bike of all time was a Diamondback Apex Mountain bike purchased in 1990. Wish I still had that bike. I would love to own another Diamondback. With the orange paint shown in this thread I was underwhelmed but in black I am suddenly intrigued (I need a new bike like I need a hole in my head).

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None of the secrets of success will work unless you do.

http://www.tririg.com/...9_Diamondback_Andean

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I hope #37 changes out those tires before the race!

New WTC rule. All previous convicted dopers have to race in Gator Skins moving forward to offset gains acquired during their doping days that they will never lose.

Gatorskins and heavy butyl tubes

Anybody know how much this monstrosity weighs?

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Working on finding it

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