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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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The challenge (pun) is that this is a single event (vs the cycling season happening in Europe) and traithon isn't so lucrative (vs MLB, NFL, NBA) that they can throw virtually unlimited resources at things. Similar to the way that there is a question if D1 football can happen, but D2/D3 was cancelled without a thought since there is no big TV revenue to play with/at stake.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. I actually think, at least for pro triathletes, controlling a ā€œbubbleā€ would be very easy. But, given the low economic value in triathlon, I understand why it doesnā€™t make sense for the events to occur for pros alone.
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
cloy wrote:
I'm so tempted. I know I shouldn't... but damn.


What is so tempting? Itā€™s 3.5 months away. How can any race organization say ā€œitā€™s onā€ with any confidence at this point??

It's tempting to fantasize about racing for 3 months and to be greeted with a "oh, sorry, our bad---we can't race," email in late November.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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cloy wrote:
stevej wrote:
cloy wrote:
I'm so tempted. I know I shouldn't... but damn.


What is so tempting? Itā€™s 3.5 months away. How can any race organization say ā€œitā€™s onā€ with any confidence at this point??

It's tempting to fantasize about racing for 3 months and to be greeted with a "oh, sorry, our bad---we can't race," email in late November.

If that's what you fantasize about, you need to get laid.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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I'm thinking the same thing! I might just add this to the calendar on Training Peaks without telling coach. See if he realizes it.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
cloy wrote:
stevej wrote:
cloy wrote:
I'm so tempted. I know I shouldn't... but damn.


What is so tempting? Itā€™s 3.5 months away. How can any race organization say ā€œitā€™s onā€ with any confidence at this point??


It's tempting to fantasize about racing for 3 months and to be greeted with a "oh, sorry, our bad---we can't race," email in late November.


If that's what you fantasize about, you need to get laid.

I suppose the second post should have been in pink.

But I genuinely thought about it for all of two hours. Then realized how poorly FL has managed this whole scenario since March, and cooler heads prevailed. Back to the 2020 status quo.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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Donā€™t know what this means for the odds of the race happening, but the Governor of Florida tweeted this: https://twitter.com/...715174482096138?s=21
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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The difference between this race and all the other races is that this is taking place 100% on private property. If Challenge wants the race to go forward they have little in the way of government to get in there way. There is no fear of the city/state pulling permits at the last second because as far as I am aware they do not need any.
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
cloy wrote:
stevej wrote:
cloy wrote:
I'm so tempted. I know I shouldn't... but damn.


What is so tempting? Itā€™s 3.5 months away. How can any race organization say ā€œitā€™s onā€ with any confidence at this point??


It's tempting to fantasize about racing for 3 months and to be greeted with a "oh, sorry, our bad---we can't race," email in late November.


If that's what you fantasize about, you need to get laid.

Or at least fantasize about it.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [T2LV] [ In reply to ]
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T2LV wrote:
The difference between this race and all the other races is that this is taking place 100% on private property. If Challenge wants the race to go forward they have little in the way of government to get in there way. There is no fear of the city/state pulling permits at the last second because as far as I am aware they do not need any.

The middle distance bike course goes outside of the track and onto public roads so I donā€™t believe this is correct. However, they could change the bike course to be just inside the track but not sure if that will cause too much traffic on the course as I think there are other races going on. So while they may be able to remove the local permit hurdles, I still think there is minimal chance this race happens.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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PTO Wild Cards added Vincent Luis and Kristen Blummefelt. Looks like this will be the diesels verse the turbos. I'll put my money on Luis for OA win.

http://www.sfuelsgolonger.com
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [timr] [ In reply to ]
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PTO Wild Cards added Vincent Luis and Kristen Blummefelt. Looks like this will be the diesels verse the turbos. I'll put my money on Luis for OA win.

That's awesome. But will they accept it and can they even get into the US?

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
timr wrote:
PTO Wild Cards added Vincent Luis and Kristen Blummefelt. Looks like this will be the diesels verse the turbos. I'll put my money on Luis for OA win.


That's awesome. But will they accept it and can they even get into the US?

Saw on Luis' insta a couple of weeks ago he finally got a Shiv, so looks like he wants to race. Unless he's planning to do some other non-draft race.
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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What Sean said. Luis has been posting pictures of his bike. I have to imagine PTO reached out to these guys to see if they'd accept, before announcing it.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [timr] [ In reply to ]
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How many other wildcard slots will be awarded?

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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8 more males / 8 more females

1 of them (per gender) will be awarded at the Trigames Mandelieu (France).

Idem, another one of them per gender will be awarded at the Great Floridian Triathlon.

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Sean H wrote:
Saw on Luis' insta a couple of weeks ago he finally got a Shiv, so looks like he wants to race. Unless he's planning to do some other non-draft race.
https://www.instagram.com/...b_button_share_sheet


Interesting that he went with/was given the Shiv Tri and not the Shiv TT

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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He said he was doing Daytona in his post-race interview at Arzachena. Should be a very interesting race to watch. I really hope they figure out a great way to get this broadcasted.
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]
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Chemist wrote:
Sean H wrote:
Saw on Luis' insta a couple of weeks ago he finally got a Shiv, so looks like he wants to race. Unless he's planning to do some other non-draft race.
https://www.instagram.com/...b_button_share_sheet


Interesting that he went with/was given the Shiv Tri and not the Shiv TT

I think you have that backwards........

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [timr] [ In reply to ]
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I am really hoping for great coverage and live streaming. This race is potentially the most competitive race ever in the history of Triathlon if all parties are able to race. IM greats 70.3 champs and ITU champions now with Luis and Blummenfelt. I hope Sam Long, Gustav Iden, and Rudy Von Berg also get wild cards.
I would think Alastair and Luis would be favorites but what an exciting race potential on so many levels
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [smallhips] [ In reply to ]
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Ehhh.... I hope im wrong but I think it's a pretty boring race until the run.

If you cant swim, I just cant see how anyone can be competitive at this distance. There are too many ace swims on the start list and it's a pancake flat bike. No one is going to be able to close the gap out of the chase and will be hard to break away.

Are they actually going to enforce the drafting distance?
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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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You don't think a Lionel or a potential Sam Long puts time into the guys first out of the water?

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
Chemist wrote:
Sean H wrote:
Saw on Luis' insta a couple of weeks ago he finally got a Shiv, so looks like he wants to race. Unless he's planning to do some other non-draft race.
https://www.instagram.com/...b_button_share_sheet


Interesting that he went with/was given the Shiv Tri and not the Shiv TT

I think you have that backwards........

No, itā€™s a Shiv Tri with but with the rear hydration storage removed. There are a few ā€˜tellsā€™
- the downtube storage
- the fork (deeper as well as the ā€˜legsā€™ being separate from the head tube where they meet the base bar)
- the area under where the seat stays meet the downtube. On the Shiv TT there is a gap between the downtube and rear wheel. On the Shiv Tri there is not

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Sean H wrote:
stevej wrote:
timr wrote:
PTO Wild Cards added Vincent Luis and Kristen Blummefelt. Looks like this will be the diesels verse the turbos. I'll put my money on Luis for OA win.


That's awesome. But will they accept it and can they even get into the US?

Saw on Luis' insta a couple of weeks ago he finally got a Shiv, so looks like he wants to race. Unless he's planning to do some other non-draft race.

Ok thatā€™s good. But how are any of the Europeans getting into the USA? Isnā€™t there a travel ban or at least a 14 day quarantine mandate?

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Re: Challenge Daytona and PTO $1,000,000 [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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I mean maybe, but at best they bridge up only to get railed on the run, I find it unlikely they ever actually see the front of the race.
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