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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
cloy26 wrote:
As long as he doesn't punch you when you're coming through the finishing chute, I don't see why a pacer in a gorilla suit is any problem.


If the gorilla wears Newtons, then we have a problem......

Only if said Gorilla is heel striking!!!!


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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=-1; and this thread too http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ders%20swim;#5729240

Start reading this thread to find out what happens when an athlete paces another athlete in the swim. Then, ask yourself how you feel after realizing their reputation is now tarnished

http://www.ironman.com/...mp;l=S#axzz3r3qD9Jos

Looks like he (Sanders) finished 14th overall. Please show me where he was DQd.

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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [pattersonpaul] [ In reply to ]
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pattersonpaul wrote:
BryanD wrote:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=-1; and this thread too http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ders%20swim;#5729240

Start reading this thread to find out what happens when an athlete paces another athlete in the swim. Then, ask yourself how you feel after realizing their reputation is now tarnished


http://www.ironman.com/...mp;l=S#axzz3r3qD9Jos

Looks like he (Sanders) finished 14th overall. Please show me where he was DQd.

I never said he was DQed

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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [FastKitty] [ In reply to ]
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How does it go on courtroom TV drama???

Objection!

Sustained - Asked and answered (hint, post 16).

Dang. My popcorn was just about ready to eat -_-

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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
pattersonpaul wrote:
BryanD wrote:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=-1; and this thread too http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ders%20swim;#5729240

Start reading this thread to find out what happens when an athlete paces another athlete in the swim. Then, ask yourself how you feel after realizing their reputation is now tarnished


http://www.ironman.com/...mp;l=S#axzz3r3qD9Jos

Looks like he (Sanders) finished 14th overall. Please show me where he was DQd.


I never said he was DQed

Right, right.... Didn't you used to be somebody else here on ST and got laughed off the forum? Brooks something or another.

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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [pattersonpaul] [ In reply to ]
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Nope. I've never been anyone else but myself

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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [FastKitty] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think you can or will be DQ'd for it. I know of no rule
that forbids people who know each other from cycling and running
near one another in the manner that you mentioned. I'm sure it's done
all the time with the 14 to 16 hour crowd.

I think it would be very hard to enforce a rule
against this since the officials would have to know
who knows who and study hours of video to establish
that they were near to each other.

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Last edited by: pattersonpaul: Nov 9, 15 21:33
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [pattersonpaul] [ In reply to ]
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happens all the time mainly with women on the cusp of a KQ. Saw it last year at Arizona and again at Texas this year. If he pays an entry fee and "races" I dont see how they could ever prove you were "paced" by him
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [FastKitty] [ In reply to ]
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It was good enough for Belinda Granger and I think Van vlerken so why not
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [FastKitty] [ In reply to ]
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FastKitty wrote:
I am on the bubble for a KQ and have been on the podium in my last 3 Ironman races. My husband is mush faster and could easily pace me to the needed time. If we register for the same race, can he legally pace me on the bike (I would stay out of his draft zone) and run? Can I get DQ'd for doing this?

So the answers are; yes it would be illegal to pace you, yes you can get DQ'd for it. However it seems like it goes on a lot without penalty, so it's up to you whether you want to cheat your way to Kona. If you you do, then why stop at being paced? You may as well draft a bit as well as you probably won't get caught for that either and if they don't have enough timing matts down on the course....
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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What about Chrissy Wellington at kona a few years back? She got a co2 cartridge from a fellow athlete. Is that illegal?
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [friesen] [ In reply to ]
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friesen wrote:
What about Chrissy Wellington at kona a few years back? She got a co2 cartridge from a fellow athlete. Is that illegal?

Mildly grey area, but CW only received equipment from a fellow competitor, but she changed the flat herself, so it's OK.

If Keat had stopped and changed the inner tube for CW too, well I think she would have been in breach of the regs.

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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [friesen] [ In reply to ]
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how about people read the previously referenced thread where the head referred opines on the legality of both the instances referenced here - pacing and the provision of a CO2 cartridge

its all about grey areas. so the original poster wants to understand whether she can use someone who's faster than herself to improve the outcome of her own race, so that individual I assume would be slightly in front of them on the swim, bike and then the run, and might comment and say things suck it up, lets go........

meanwhile, her competition might, for example, choose to race as an individual, managing their own race, having to motivate themselves and deliver the result on their own

if you read what she'd proposed out loud to yourself, does it sound ok? "I want to use my husband to pace my race to allow me to Kona qualify"............

I know everyones been told to play nice, and abiding by that, seriously, given its a "individual" sport, does it sound ok (setting the rules aside for a moment)?
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
cloy26 wrote:
As long as he doesn't punch you when you're coming through the finishing chute, I don't see why a pacer in a gorilla suit is any problem.


If the gorilla wears Newtons, then we have a problem......

4 lug or 5?



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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
At best he is redundant, at worst he gets annoying hovering over you for the entire time.
Talking from personal experience? ;)

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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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if you read what she'd proposed out loud to yourself, does it sound ok? "I want to use my husband to pace my race to allow me to Kona qualify"............

I know everyones been told to play nice, and abiding by that, seriously, given its a "individual" sport, does it sound ok (setting the rules aside for a moment)?
No, it doesn't sound OK. I agree it is against the spirit of the rule, no discussion, and on the bike, she may get a penalty for first offence. On the run, I have never heard about somebody paced by another competitor (not an external person) and being penalised. How do you prove it? Who has never latched on somebody who ran just a touch faster that you would and increase your pace this way? I know I have, last time this year in Roth, and then paid back when my 'pacer' slowed down by getting in front on doing the pacing. Now the question is 'is there a difference between pacing by chance and on purpose?'. I would say yes. One is the natural dynamics of the competition, the other is planning to play with the rules. By the way, why would he not pace on the swim too? That's another recent hot topic...

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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [Fix] [ In reply to ]
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lets call it opportunistic pacing, if you are in a race and can latch on to someone then assuming you don't know them, or even if you do but you are racing them, that is legit, if however they a subjugating their pace to allow you to hang on to their heels, then that is just not cricket........
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
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I haven't seen any rules that state this would be illegal and I have seen it several times at races.

Your serious right?

There is a woman from Phoenix who qualified for Kona at IMAZ last year with her boyfriend doing the entire race with her.
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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That seemed to be the crux of the matter from the discussion of the Sanders/Chrabot debacle, with regard to both the rules and the moral standpoint.

At the front of every race, the leaders are essentially sticking together and pacing each other to some degree, but the line is crossed when someone abandons their own race for the benefit of another competitor.
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [FastKitty] [ In reply to ]
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If you have him pace you during training, sounds like you could KQ on your own during the race.
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [FastKitty] [ In reply to ]
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an Aussie pro made a career from doing that. Quite hard to stop it.
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [FastKitty] [ In reply to ]
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I have seen it several times and I have never heard of anyone getting a penalty or DQ.

Honest question - are you really asking if this is legal or asking if this is enforced? My guess is that you've seen it too many times in your age and this is your way of shining a light on the subject.
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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how about people read the previously referenced thread where the head referred opines on the legality of both the instances referenced here - pacing and the provision of a CO2 cartridge

its all about grey areas. so the original poster wants to understand whether she can use someone who's faster than herself to improve the outcome of her own race, so that individual I assume would be slightly in front of them on the swim, bike and then the run, and might comment and say things suck it up, lets go........

meanwhile, her competition might, for example, choose to race as an individual, managing their own race, having to motivate themselves and deliver the result on their own

if you read what she'd proposed out loud to yourself, does it sound ok? "I want to use my husband to pace my race to allow me to Kona qualify"............

I know everyones been told to play nice, and abiding by that, seriously, given its a "individual" sport, does it sound ok (setting the rules aside for a moment)?

With this posting this thread could be locked. Slowman could just copy this posting and make it sticky just to remind people how it works and what is acceptable.
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [Stevie G] [ In reply to ]
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Stevie G wrote:
It was good enough for Belinda Granger and I think Van vlerken so why not

I was wondering if someone was going to mention this...I remember having a conversation with a pro back about 7 years ago who said this happened quite a bit (not with these two but with husband and wife 'teams'). As far as the AG crowd, I have seen this first hand in just about every Mdot race that I have done with the exception of the 70.3 worlds in Draftwater. It is what it is...
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Re: Can my husband pace me to KQ? [vmac] [ In reply to ]
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Last year at IMAZ we had a hysband pace his wife right to a Kona slot. He even put his hand on her back and helped push her up the hill on Curry during the run. A few of her competitors saw it and were not happy, I received multiple messages about it.

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