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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
https://road.cc/content/news/calls-crackdown-head-down-position-after-kung-crash-303981

These head Down positions is one reason I got rid of my TT bike. Would be nice to see more merckx TT

this issue also happens in triathlon, a collegue of mine was hitten by another triathlete "worried more for watts than for riding" during past IM Italy.

In my opinion a rider, specially a cyclist (which TT are much more shorter than a IM 70.3 or full IM) which mantain a position where they can not mantain the view of the road are fool, and should be banned (in the case of the triathlete who impact with may friend: how can my friend get paid for the cost of the repair, and the lost of their expectations in the race, due a silly person?)

But, said that, I would like to think, that in this is not the case, that the cyclist was just in that moment thinking in other histories, or whatever...
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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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I'm all in favour of banning TT bikes - especially for amateur triathletes - but I don't see how this crash supports anything. It just looks like a cooked professional cyclist doing something very silly.
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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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You're gonna have to live life in a plastic bubble.
Kids now days are so risk averse. ;)
Dude wasn't looking where he was going. Dumbass move on his part and no call to ban TT bikes..............
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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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Every time this discussion comes up I get infuriated. It's ASSININE. We will and should get as aero as we can possibly get. With ONE caveat, WATCH WHERE THE F YOU'RE GOING. Good lord. Is that hard? Don't go 60kph in areas where cars and busses may stop in your path. Or the road takes a hard turn. Or how bout keep an eye on the barriers your hugging for no reason? And I absolutely love Stefan Kung but I guarantee he's not blaming anyone or TT bikes. He's embarrassed at that error. The audience on this site is largely pro TT bikes. They're sexy, fun and fast. I LOVE them. Take personal responsibility. Watch where you're going. Everyone, no matter what bike, skateboard, car, boat or plane you're piloting, be aware. Be safe.

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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [CNullATX] [ In reply to ]
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lol.

Tell us how you really feel?

for the record, I agree.
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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [likes_bikes] [ In reply to ]
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likes_bikes wrote:
I suspect more of that crash has to do with pushing 470 watts at threshold, being F'd, by being tight on line by the barriers and maybe the position.

The biggest failure was somehow allowing him to continue riding and completely missing anything from the concussion protocols.

I agree with you regarding him being allowed to still race.

However, I think the biggest reason is the barriers cut in on the road and changes direction in an area that isn't expected. He was following the layout of the road and was good to go on his perspective (looking down and not on the white line). However, he had no idea the road cut in. Something that he should have known from preriding the course and something his team car should have relayed to him in his ear as he was approaching.
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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [littlefoot] [ In reply to ]
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come to think of it, the barrier color does blend a bit with color of the road. seeing that white paint to the right he could have thought it was a raised curb. all these split second decsions, was a course preview done? why even use those barriers where the legs stick out, I see many people crash off them in crit races too
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all these split second decsions, was a course preview done


My understanding is that the barricades were not in place during course previews, and their placement came as a surprise to more than one rider. Watching the coverage, it sure seemed like some of the earlier riders weren't quite ready for the race day line on some of the roundabouts.

At this level the DS is typically warning the rider about upcoming trouble spots based on feedback from earlier team riders, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't much info forthcoming from Bissegger's camp given they were both in the running for a podium position.

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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Titanflexr wrote:
C_lo99 wrote:
What they mean by head down position is that the rider is looking straight down rather than even peaking a couple feet in front of them. A lot time trial specialist tilt their helmet up around 2 inches and look straight down, most of the time directly at the top of their front wheel or wherever they placed their bike computer.
He would have done the same if it was a road bike TT so the argument that TT bikes need to go is invalid. Most of the time it is because the team car behind the rider would tell them when a hazard or turn is coming up on the course so all they need to do is ride straight unless told what is coming up.


^^^^^This.

Some folks will ride head down regardless of what kind of bike they are on (ex. Fignon below). The UCI is also pushing the rider position angle to deflect from the issue over concussion protocol.


It is interesting seeing the head down photos of riders without helmets.

I wonder if, without a helmet, Kung would have been dead? Or if he would have ridden a hair more cautiously (knowing he had no helmet) and either avoided the crash or had a less severe crash?
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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [ohanapecosh] [ In reply to ]
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In the pre-aerobars/no helmet era there would be a couple of cases a year of pros riding head down and running into a car parked on the course. Several career ending injuries.

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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Titanflexr wrote:
In the pre-aerobars/no helmet era there would be a couple of cases a year of pros riding head down and running into a car parked on the course. Several career ending injuries.

At the first tri I did, back in the pre-aerobar days, the first guy that passed me right at the start of the bike leg rode right into the back of a parked bus...

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Re: Time for the TT bike to go [Warbird] [ In reply to ]
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This from a road race (LBL) of Davis Phinney riding into the back of a team car that had stopped to assist another rider. The team was sponsored by a safety glass maker (IsoGlass), but that glass was only used on the front windshield.



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