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Re: Will triathlons be safer if we put the swim at the end? [miklcct] [ In reply to ]
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miklcct wrote:
The stress of mass starts and pack swimming may be the cause of problems in inexperienced swimmers. If we put the swim at the end such that there is no mass start in the water, will it be much safer?

From a blood-flow, cardio-vascular standpoint, I say YES. Tired? Supposed to be athletes here.
Run is the most taxing heart-rate wise.

Cramping as mentioned is an issue (bike>leg cramps) but you won't die from it.

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Re: Will triathlons be safer if we put the swim at the end? [miklcct] [ In reply to ]
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miklcct wrote:
The stress of mass starts and pack swimming may be the cause of problems in inexperienced swimmers. If we put the swim at the end such that there is no mass start in the water, will it be much safer?


Cramp

I would rather swim the last 10km than run it, but the rest of the field would be decimated I fear.
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Re: Will triathlons be safer if we put the swim at the end? [TED4289] [ In reply to ]
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TED4289 wrote:
edbikebabe wrote:
TED4289 wrote:
With all due respect this is a terrible idea. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

In all seriousness people would drown.


SwimRun is an actual event.



And do you bike in a swim run?? Yea lets bike 112, run 26.2 and then swim 2.4



No, you don't bike, but it can still be quite a bit of effort, with dehydration and exhaustion without having a bike thrown in there. Which one is harder is certainly debatable.

For reference, as an example, in OtillO, you do run a total of 41 miles and swim a total of 6 miles... broken up into 26 runs and 26 swims. The longest being a half-marathon and a little over a mile respectively. in some rough water at times...


https://speedylizard.com/2015/09/25/cold-water-and-wetsuit-runningotillo-swimrun-world-championships/




In Rockman, it's only 10 runs / 10 swims, and only 22 miles / 3.5 miles respectively... but you do add in 8000 feet of elevation gain on the runs... and can be a little technical, so although there's no bike involved, the amount of climbing being accomplished can still add quite a bit of exhaustion/effort in there.


https://speedylizard.com/2018/08/11/rocks-in-my-shoes-rockman-swimrun/

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Re: Will triathlons be safer if we put the swim at the end? [marcbarton] [ In reply to ]
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marcbarton wrote:
TED4289 wrote:
edbikebabe wrote:
TED4289 wrote:
With all due respect this is a terrible idea. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

In all seriousness people would drown.


SwimRun is an actual event.



And do you bike in a swim run?? Yea lets bike 112, run 26.2 and then swim 2.4



No, you don't bike, but it can still be quite a bit of effort, with dehydration and exhaustion without having a bike thrown in there. Which one is harder is certainly debatable.

For reference, as an example, in OtillO, you do run a total of 41 miles and swim a total of 6 miles... broken up into 26 runs and 26 swims. The longest being a half-marathon and a little over a mile respectively. in some rough water at times...


https://speedylizard.com/2015/09/25/cold-water-and-wetsuit-runningotillo-swimrun-world-championships/




In Rockman, it's only 10 runs / 10 swims, and only 22 miles / 3.5 miles respectively... but you do add in 8000 feet of elevation gain on the runs... and can be a little technical, so although there's no bike involved, the amount of climbing being accomplished can still add quite a bit of exhaustion/effort in there.


https://speedylizard.com/2018/08/11/rocks-in-my-shoes-rockman-swimrun/

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Nobody is questioning the effort required in Swim/Run events but what you have blatantly failed to recognize is the floatation/swim aids that are used in these events,something that makes swimming much easier and safer and something that is not allowed in conventional triathlons.Allowing these items as standard equipment is addressing the exact issues we are talking about when we say having the swim at the end of a triathlon is a bad idea.
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Re: Will triathlons be safer if we put the swim at the end? [ThailandUltras] [ In reply to ]
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ThailandUltras wrote:
marcbarton wrote:
TED4289 wrote:
edbikebabe wrote:
TED4289 wrote:
With all due respect this is a terrible idea. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

In all seriousness people would drown.


SwimRun is an actual event.



And do you bike in a swim run?? Yea lets bike 112, run 26.2 and then swim 2.4



No, you don't bike, but it can still be quite a bit of effort, with dehydration and exhaustion without having a bike thrown in there. Which one is harder is certainly debatable.

For reference, as an example, in OtillO, you do run a total of 41 miles and swim a total of 6 miles... broken up into 26 runs and 26 swims. The longest being a half-marathon and a little over a mile respectively. in some rough water at times...


https://speedylizard.com/2015/09/25/cold-water-and-wetsuit-runningotillo-swimrun-world-championships/




In Rockman, it's only 10 runs / 10 swims, and only 22 miles / 3.5 miles respectively... but you do add in 8000 feet of elevation gain on the runs... and can be a little technical, so although there's no bike involved, the amount of climbing being accomplished can still add quite a bit of exhaustion/effort in there.


https://speedylizard.com/2018/08/11/rocks-in-my-shoes-rockman-swimrun/

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Nobody is questioning the effort required in Swim/Run events but what you have blatantly failed to recognize is the floatation/swim aids that are used in these events,something that makes swimming much easier and safer and something that is not allowed in conventional triathlons.Allowing these items as standard equipment is addressing the exact issues we are talking about when we say having the swim at the end of a triathlon is a bad idea.




Yep you said that perfectly.
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Re: Will triathlons be safer if we put the swim at the end? [miklcct] [ In reply to ]
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No:
1) breathing hard from a race effort in run/bike/transition makes it hard to breathe while swimming; and
2) goggles fog over, then fog clears when they fill up with sweat, but you can't wipe the sweat away and it burns

I did one run-swim-run event and retired from the concept.


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Re: Will triathlons be safer if we put the swim at the end? [ThailandUltras] [ In reply to ]
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ThailandUltras wrote:
marcbarton wrote:
TED4289 wrote:
edbikebabe wrote:
TED4289 wrote:
With all due respect this is a terrible idea. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

In all seriousness people would drown.


SwimRun is an actual event.



And do you bike in a swim run?? Yea lets bike 112, run 26.2 and then swim 2.4



No, you don't bike, but it can still be quite a bit of effort, with dehydration and exhaustion without having a bike thrown in there. Which one is harder is certainly debatable.

For reference, as an example, in OtillO, you do run a total of 41 miles and swim a total of 6 miles... broken up into 26 runs and 26 swims. The longest being a half-marathon and a little over a mile respectively. in some rough water at times...

In Rockman, it's only 10 runs / 10 swims, and only 22 miles / 3.5 miles respectively... but you do add in 8000 feet of elevation gain on the runs... and can be a little technical, so although there's no bike involved, the amount of climbing being accomplished can still add quite a bit of exhaustion/effort in there.

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Nobody is questioning the effort required in Swim/Run events but what you have blatantly failed to recognize is the floatation/swim aids that are used in these events,something that makes swimming much easier and safer and something that is not allowed in conventional triathlons.Allowing these items as standard equipment is addressing the exact issues we are talking about when we say having the swim at the end of a triathlon is a bad idea.


I think "blatant" is a bit harsh... I was simply replying to someone stating that there is no bike in swimrun.

However, the flotation and paddles are added to offset the fact that you are swimming in shoes and with a full bib (shirt) on over your wetsuit. (lots of drag)




You should try it sometime and see if the aids make it easier than swimming without shoes and a bib. You might be surprised. In my humble opinion, it is offset at best, but not made easier.

I would agree with you that the flotation does add a level of safety, although I don't think too many people could use their buoy as a safety device like a lifeguard buoy.

I guess I was just trying to *politely* make a point that there's a similar level of exhaustion towards the end of these races and yet swimming still happens.

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Re: Will triathlons be safer if we put the swim at the end? [marcbarton] [ In reply to ]
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The types of people who do Otillo and Rockman are not the BOP moms/dads you see at your local tri or even IM. Just because those races exist it does not mean it would be equally safe for the BOPers who can barely walk to the finish line.
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