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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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Pyrenean Wolf wrote:
All suits using "boundary layer management" claims the same gains :

BioRacer
Castelli PR
Endura D2Z
Huub Anemoi
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Then the question is : when will we have a real test (equivalent t "peak aero...") showing resulting CdA at different speed (because drag crisis above 40km/h is of little interest for me).

castelli PR is they say optimised for 45km/h which is well beyond my typical speeds... i haven't seen and actual watt saving figure but i expect some claims will be made when it gets released soon.

https://huubdesign.com/products/huub-anemoi-aero-triathlon-suit wrote:
Anemoi Watts & Time Saving
Ironman distance: @ 22mph = 7.5W - 350 seconds (just under 6 minutes)
Ironman distance: @ 18mph = 4W - 414 seconds (just under 7 minutes)
Olympic distance: @ 24mph = 5.7W - 83 seconds
Olympic distance: @ 20mph = 9.8W - 71 seconds
The Anemoi was compared to our best selling DS Long Course Tri Suit. Tests were done at a velocity range from 35kph to 55kph on seven different athletes (including Ali Brownlee, David McNamee, Harry Wiltshire and Dan Bigham). Aero benefits can and do vary across riders because of their body shape and position (in the region of ~30% variation), but 15w is an average that we’ve seen across every size, shape and speed of rider. We wanted to ensure this suit wasn’t just fast on our World and Olympic champions but was fast on every athlete.
so it seems as if the anemoi is optimised around 20mph which is sensible but i'm not sure where the 15W comes from! i'm guessing the 24mph figure is actually supposed to be 15.7 and the optimal speed is more around there which is still not unreasonable. figures seem off though as its down to 7.5w @22mph but back up to 9.8w @20mph... maybe testing in different positions relevant to the events or maybe we just shouldn't pay much attention to marketing "data"
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [trailerhouse] [ In reply to ]
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trailerhouse wrote:
I'll be racing for Kiwami this year too and I just got my Spider 2. I'm 5'11" and 155-158 and M fits perfectly. Yes, there's a drawstring but it's really unnecessary if your fit is good and if you untie the knot/loop it will just go inside the waist seam and you can forget about it - which is probably why you don't even know it exists :) It's not like your shorts are going to fall off or anything and if that's an issue for someone they are probably wearing the wrong size.


Well, the problem is not fits well, have to rely on draw string to keep in place, I had many brand cycling bib shorts as well as ironman suits, all fits me very well, but not spider.
I don't know spider 2, mine should be the lastest version of spide 1. And there is no way you could untie, put in and forget.



Both Castelli and Huub has nothing on your waist, so nothing you need to try to ignore.
You could see what's on your waist.

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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [sleep] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like you should have gone a size smaller?

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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [sleep] [ In reply to ]
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That draw string is about 1-1.5" on my suit.

What's your CdA?
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [anthonypat] [ In reply to ]
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anthonypat wrote:
Got mine today (Kiwami racing team) and raced last year in the spider sleeved and sleeveless. This new S2 feels amazing. The storage area in the rear is perfect for food on the bike (sadly missing on S1) and the air mesh top has zero wrinkles in the shoulders. I was doing arm circles to feel the restriction in the sleeves for the swim and felt no restriction at all. Plus, I could feel the air moving through the mesh...hope this will mean a cool bike, and even better, cool run in the warmer races.

And black/ white silver looks fricking sweet.

Well done Kiwami

Any idea if the chamois has changed? I've been racing in a spider LD aero for the past couple seasons and I really like the fit, the feel of the suit, and the pockets, but I get more chaffed with the Kiwami chamois than in any other suit or shorts I've had. It's not an issue for short course, but gets a little uncomfortable racing halfs and has left me pretty chaffed in fulls and on long rides of 3-4+ hours.

I'm looking to get a new suit for this season and was considering suits from other makers, but the Spider 2 is looking pretty sweet and I know I like everything about it except for the chamois so now I'm back on the fence...
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Northy] [ In reply to ]
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chamois looks the same...what are you using for lubricant? I use Bag Balm as it doesn't wash off the skin in the longer swims.
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [anthonypat] [ In reply to ]
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I rub some body glide on the seams of the chamois, put a little Chamois Butt’r on top of that, and also body glide on me in the areas that tend to get chaffed.

I imagine the issue is that comfort and chaffing are all individual, and it’s probably some combination of me, the chamois, my saddle choice (ISM Attack), and my position. I’ve been willing to accept the amount of chaffing for a couple seasons. That said, I’m happy to pick up some Bag Balm and give it a try!
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Toothengineer wrote:
Looks like you should have gone a size smaller?


No, it is just not fit well. Top already quite tight.

In my opinion, it is caused by design, All bib or suits without drawstring actually rely on top to pull bottom half and hold it in place. Suit back is connected 100%, so won't be a problem. However if the front opening too big, the bottom half middle part will drop (law of gravity). If fit tighter, it could maybe hold, but not ideal. Huub resolve this by no front opening (one piece), Castelli resolve this by a small opening (roughly 1/3), Kiwami resolve this by large opening with a drawstring.

Any design has both pros and cons, large opening means easier to take on\off. However, to me, I always choose bib short and suit because of I hate drawstring so much, and I would trade the inconvenience with comfortable.

I am just so suprised no one mention this, I did my homework before pull the trigger, I hope that I could get to know this earlier which is the major reason I write this here hoping it could help others to know better about each design before purchase. For instance, I purchased Huub and chamois is too forward to my tastes, however I still keep it because I know this before purchase, and I know it won't be a deal breaker for me.
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [sleep] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe just body type? I have worn a spider 1 and a LG m2 never had this issue at all.

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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Toothengineer wrote:
Maybe just body type? I have worn a spider 1 and a LG m2 never had this issue at all.


^^ I think this must be the case. The other suits I have had I have never had that issue. Perhaps a change, but I just looked at my LD1 aero and no drawstring at all, so I'm still of the feeling he's confused. I have had some poor fitting suits, but not since I switched to Kiwami.

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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [mwanner13] [ In reply to ]
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simple answer to this question: the model is a local athlete and a loyal customer. his built is "standard" so perfect for shoots.
now are we going to disqualify him because of the tats? we could but we overlook this. and hope you can as well.
it is in no way a statement from the company.
hope this clarifies the situation : )


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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [pyf] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry for the delay on the answer...

No seams, thick, comfortable for 3-4h easy, no issues running (don't notice it).
Regarding customer service: it was a 10 in my case, sorry to hear from other people other things: for example: in Canary Islands tax is different from EU and they refunded quickly the difference / fit wise they also adviced me to go small due to KG and not cm's of fit.

I don't have any other long suits so can't tell.
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Having not actually seen the new suit yet, this video was shared by the designers.

https://www.facebook.com/...eos/373663576566773/

Some VERY cool new features, including individually customizable leg and arm lengths.

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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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I just received the new Fusion SLI suit and it does have the lines on the sleeves. It fits well and feels comfortable, but will race in it this weekend and let you guys know how it performs.
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Lots of great info and options on these 6 pages. I'm a fan of the custom Pactimo Summit one-piece sleeved tri suit we did last year and will likely keep that going this year. I saw that Pearl Izumo quietly released an updated Octane suit. I had one of the 2014ish era ones that I wore through 2016 and loved it.




I really like the styling. $350 seems off the mark though.
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [ruckustrx11] [ In reply to ]
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ruckustrx11 wrote:
I just received the new Fusion SLI suit and it does have the lines on the sleeves. It fits well and feels comfortable, but will race in it this weekend and let you guys know how it performs.

Strange, they did not updated the pictures on their site ?
Because on the site, no lines on the sleeves. Looks unchanged from last year model (the one I use)

https://fusionworld.com/...-speed-suit-(1).aspx
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Agree... I don't have any sort of rippling, wrinkles and baggy areas with my Spider kit.

I don't have any tunnel data or anything scientific... I wear Kiwami as it is my favorite due to fit and comfort.
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [xeon] [ In reply to ]
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xeon wrote:
Agree... I don't have any sort of rippling, wrinkles and baggy areas with my Spider kit.

I don't have any tunnel data or anything scientific... I wear Kiwami as it is my favorite due to fit and comfort.

I can post some pics here latter, but I got the spider 2 4 days before I raced. Love this thing, big back pocket is game changer for me as it gives me ability to carry more calories on race day without any aero penalty. Felt super comfy no wrinkles on the bike. I don't have cda testing on it but I did bike a 2:16 on 207w (I am 5"11 and 162lbs) so its def not slowing me down.

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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Just want to add my 2 cents worth, I have the Desoto suit:

- It is cool (I am a Brit living and racing in Texas)
- The 'Fli' is a great idea. It detracts from nothing and makes it so much easier. Sure you don't need it, but it is great. That talk above about 'falling out' of it is from someone who has clearly never worn one
- I have not seen the pockets mentioned too much, they're great - they are on the hips rather than around the back, and they are closed so things stay in better
- Mine fits great. Just email them and they'll discuss sizing with you - one to one communication with the company owner. I wanted a colour combination showing as not available, they just said 'no problem, we will make it for you'.

I have not had to use customer service for any issues, but I do get the feeling they'll really look after you

Caveat - its my first 'expensive' trisuit so I don't have any other benchmark. However I am sure I would not look elsewhere either in the future. Id just email Emilio.

Dan
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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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glad you liked the Spider2. would be nice to see pics if you have any.

thank you again,


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Re: Tri Suits 2019 [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry. Had some trouble posting the pic. I thought it was weird too, and surprised when it showed up to have them

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