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Re: US economy [spockman] [ In reply to ]
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Trick wrote:
I don't think think this is the Dems fault considering it is worldwide phenomenon.

I'd say that all gov'ts in major countries share some of the blame. When major countries like US, Germany, France, Britain etc all over stimulate their economies at the same time this is the result. It is clear they did it because it was popular to do during covid. Small countries like Canada get sucked along for the ride. Small countries did have policy options such as Canada could have produced and transported natural gas to tidewater but didn't do thus shooting themselves and the Europe in the foot. Germany comes begging for natural gas and we promise hydrogen that we have not even started making yet. In addition to all that it was/is popular to not produce enough oil and gas in these countries and in the case of Europe depend on Russian oil and gas.

Smarter countries like Norway are cashing in. As is the Netherlands although they are killing their highly productive agricultural sector due to climate initiatives.

How did the stimulus from 18 months ago cause Germany's energy prices to increase by 19%, food prices to increase by 17%, and CPI be 11.6% in October?

As for Germany producing oil and gas....they don't. It was a major mistake for them to get hook on Russian gas. Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden warned them repeatedly that exactly what is happening today would happen. They didn't listen.
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windywave wrote:
Trick wrote:
I don't think think this is the Dems fault considering it is worldwide phenomenon.


What you think and what I think are immaterial to people buying groceries, gas, etc.


The GOP has been excellent at convincing millions of Americans that Biden controls gas prices, the price of food, and baby formula. They hope Americans continue to suffer so it will help them in the midterms. Once in power they will focus on the important things........Hunter Biden's laptop, pedophile pizza parlors, and Venezuelan backed voter fraud.

One of these things is not like the others.
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Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.

We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.

Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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Oh they can get much worse if democracy crumbles.
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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chaparral wrote:
Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.

We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.


Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.


Depends on who the other guy is, if you haven't noticed they are trying to get election deniers elected as SoS, you know the people who certify elections, if that happens they can try and overthrow an election they lose, think this is hyperbole? Go ahead and elect them, and good luck to you. So it comes down to what do you want? A democracy, free and fair elections or lower food/gas prices and as it looks right now it's neck and neck. and I'm gobsmacked that someone like Mark Finchem could get elected to anything let alone responsible for certifying elections, but here we are, I know people are hurting and that sucks, but right now maga must be stopped at all costs.
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My wife has her new business and its definitely non-essentials. We haven’t seen any slowdown in purchasing the last couple months. It’s hard to tell if we’re not getting as big of a holiday pick up as we would expect since this is the first year she is doing this full time. However, it’s not fallen off as I would have expected given purchasing power decrease that we are seeing. So you’re right it’s weird. I’m not sure what gives.

I think the McDonald’s by us is hiring at $19 an hour. I mean holy crap. I started my first job at 5 an hour or so in 1998, inflation adjusted that is 9.17. So its a major increase there. At some point people will start taking the jobs. We only do annual raises, I’ll be interested to see what we do then. It should be hopefully clear by then how the economy is doing with the rate hikes that we have had.

In Colorado, we haven’t seen the home pricing really drop yet which is interesting. You’d think there would be some relief there given the mortgage rates. I’m definitely glad we locked in at 2.8 we did for our house here. There is no way we are moving anytime soon now given how little we are paying in interest comparatively for our house.
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chaparral wrote:
Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.

We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.

Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.

Beside stopping funding to Ukraine, and letting their buddy Putin take over a sovereign country, what specifically will the GOP do to address these issues when they control Congress?
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Re: US economy [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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JFHJR wrote:
chaparral wrote:
Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.

We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.


Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.


Beside stopping funding to Ukraine, and letting their buddy Putin take over a sovereign country, what specifically will the GOP do to address these issues when they control Congress?

Let's play.

What specifically have the Dems done that warrants reelection?
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50+ wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
chaparral wrote:
Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.

We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.


Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.


Depends on who the other side is, if you haven't noticed they are trying to get election deniers elected as SoS, you know the people who certify elections, if that happens they can try and overthrow an election they lose, think this is hyperbole? Go ahead and elect them, and good luck to you. So it comes down to what do you want? A democracy, free and fair elections or lower food/gas prices and as it looks right now it's neck and neck. and I'm gobsmacked that someone like Mark Finchem could get elected to anything let alone responsible for certifying elections, but here we are, I know people are hurting and that sucks, but right now maga must be stopped at all costs.

It's hyperbole because you've lumped in all people who had questions about the 2020 election as "election deniers". For one example, if you are in PA and you don't like what PA did with mail-in ballots you might say they PA legislature acted improperly and there are ballots counted that shouldn't have been. You might want that rectified before the next election and you might talk about that being important. That doesn't make you an election denier.

You guys need to stop with the hyperbole.
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
chaparral wrote:
Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.

We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.


Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.


Beside stopping funding to Ukraine, and letting their buddy Putin take over a sovereign country, what specifically will the GOP do to address these issues when they control Congress?

Let's play.

What specifically have the Dems done that warrants reelection?

You didn't answer the question.

What specifically will Greene, Oz, Walker, Boebert, Vance, Johnson, Gibbs, Majewski, Mastriano, Cox, Palin, etc do when they control Congress? You seem convinced they have a better plan but cannot explain what that plan is.
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Re: US economy [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
Nutella wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
chaparral wrote:
Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.

We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.


Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.


Beside stopping funding to Ukraine, and letting their buddy Putin take over a sovereign country, what specifically will the GOP do to address these issues when they control Congress?


Let's play.

What specifically have the Dems done that warrants reelection?


You didn't answer the question.

What specifically will Greene, Oz, Walker, Boebert, Vance, Johnson, Gibbs, Majewski, Mastriano, Cox, Palin, etc do when they control Congress? You seem convinced they have a better plan but cannot explain what that plan is.

Uh no.

You don't just get first in vig. I'm not convinced of anything, but I'm asking you to convince me why the group that has overseen where we are today should be reelected. And I'm asking you to give me something more than the other side will be worse or the other side has no plan.

You're in power. What is your plan? What are you going to do?
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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If you look at global metrics over the last year or so, the US is doing far better than most other countries. Including things like inflation.

I am not sure if being graded against your peers in similar positions is the best metric but it certainly is a pretty good one.
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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Uh no.


Not surprised you cannot answer the question, even Conservatives realize the GOP has no plan.

Republicans’ Plan to Fix the Economy Is … We’re Still Waiting
https://www.bloomberg.com/...n-to-fix-the-economy

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Even if you don’t like the Democrats’ economic philosophy, it's at least coherent. Republicans don't have such a clear vision, and in many ways that’s worse than having policies you disagree with.


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We do know what Republicans used to stand for: limited government, which meant lower taxes and less regulation and spending. Even though the party's policies didn't always follow those principles — there were forays into protectionism and high deficits — there was at least a free-market ideal and a belief in individual initiative. While you'll still hear some lip service to the old ideals, it's a mystery how Republicans intend to fix a low-growth, high-inflation economy. Adding to the confusion, some Republicans have begun questioning free markets.

This is from Allison Schrager, a Bloomberg Opinion columnist covering economics. A senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a Conservative think tank.

There is a reason Republicans can never explain what their plan is.......they do not have one besides throwing rocks.
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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Uh no.

You don't just get first in vig. I'm not convinced of anything, but I'm asking you to convince me why the group that has overseen where we are today should be reelected. And I'm asking you to give me something more than the other side will be worse or the other side has no plan.

You're in power. What is your plan? What are you going to do?

I'll play - They don't deserve to be reelected, but...

They don't threaten democracy either. They don't deny the outcome of the last election. They understand that Jan 6th was a very serious attack on our form of government, and they don't excuse those people. They didn't make phone calls to GA, and they actually support law enforcement. They aren't trying to undermine the medical profession's ability to care for women. They actually care about the health care programs. They understand that there is more than one religion in the US and all of them must be respected.

I will be voting for Kathy Hochul on Tuesday, as bad as she is, because the guy running against her is the opposite of all those things. I'm a registered republican, but until that side understands the system they are representing I will have to side with the opposition for a while.

"...the street finds its own uses for things"
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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JFHJR wrote:
chaparral wrote:
Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.


We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.


Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.


Noone on the ballot on Tuesday can do anything about any of those things except very tangentially crime and the stock market. And guess what? Crime isn't ridiculous and the stock market isn't shit. Comparing stock market performance by president is one of the dumbest possible exercises but if that's how you're going to vote, the best return at this point in a presidential term was Obama and the full term MVP was Clinton. Biden's behing Trump and tracking right alongside GHWB and, of course, crushing the disastrous performance of GWB. It's honestly pretty depressing listening to folks who plan to vote like my 2 year old: "I want everything to be perfect all the time and if it's not I'm going to ignore everything that's going on in the world, refuse to engage in any thoughtful analysis, blame you and throw my toys!" David Frum had a better analogy:

https://twitter.com/...8VdZUyWqmB5sSC7GQVKA

"A woman and her grandson are walking on the beach. A sudden wave pulls the boy to sea. Distraught, she prays, "Lord God, return him safe, and I will keep your mitzvot and give to charity." Another wave deposits the boy, wet but well. The woman turns to heaven. "He had a hat.""

Re. crime specifically:

https://www.pewresearch.org/...t-does-the-data-say/

(click through to the article if you're inclined to complain about the selection of crimes shown below)




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Re: US economy [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
JFHJR wrote:


Uh no.


Not surprised you cannot answer the question, even Conservatives realize the GOP has no plan.

Republicans’ Plan to Fix the Economy Is … We’re Still Waiting
https://www.bloomberg.com/...n-to-fix-the-economy

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Even if you don’t like the Democrats’ economic philosophy, it's at least coherent. Republicans don't have such a clear vision, and in many ways that’s worse than having policies you disagree with.


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We do know what Republicans used to stand for: limited government, which meant lower taxes and less regulation and spending. Even though the party's policies didn't always follow those principles — there were forays into protectionism and high deficits — there was at least a free-market ideal and a belief in individual initiative. While you'll still hear some lip service to the old ideals, it's a mystery how Republicans intend to fix a low-growth, high-inflation economy. Adding to the confusion, some Republicans have begun questioning free markets.


This is from Allison Schrager, a Bloomberg Opinion columnist covering economics. A senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a Conservative think tank.

There is a reason Republicans can never explain what their plan is.......they do not have one besides throwing rocks.

Wrong again. I'm choosing not to answer. I'm holding you accountable for the question I asked you first. You don't get to dodge my question with a question.

What, specifically, is the plan if D's are elected to address crime, the border, inflation, gas prices, nuclear war, etc, etc.

You have the big-boy pants. You want to keep the big-boy pants. What are you going to do. And answer without using the words "Trump, GOP, or Republicans."
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JFHJR wrote:


Uh no.

You don't just get first in vig. I'm not convinced of anything, but I'm asking you to convince me why the group that has overseen where we are today should be reelected. And I'm asking you to give me something more than the other side will be worse or the other side has no plan.

You're in power. What is your plan? What are you going to do?


I'll play - They don't deserve to be reelected, but...

They don't threaten democracy either. They don't deny the outcome of the last election. They understand that Jan 6th was a very serious attack on our form of government, and they don't excuse those people. They didn't make phone calls to GA, and they actually support law enforcement. They aren't trying to undermine the medical profession's ability to care for women. They actually care about the health care programs. They understand that there is more than one religion in the US and all of them must be respected.

I will be voting for Kathy Hochul on Tuesday, as bad as she is, because the guy running against her is the opposite of all those things. I'm a registered republican, but until that side understands the system they are representing I will have to side with the opposition for a while.

So you think Kathy Hochul has performed well enough on crime in NY to keep her there?
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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I think I'm safe in general. I don't like people that use scare tactics to get what they want. I ride the subway regularly - never seen a problem. The statistics just aren't there.

No address my other points.

"...the street finds its own uses for things"
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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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I asked you first.

Why do you lie? I clearly asked you first. You have no answer, so you launch into this bizarre deflection dance.

If you read this thread, and others, you will see that I have addressed this topic in depth. It is clear that the US economy is performing far better the vast majority of the Western democracies. I have posted repeatedly about the positive things the Democrats have done. I like the release of the SPR. I like the PACT act, the IRA, the CHIPS and Science Act, Safer Communities Act. I like that America is no longer an embarrassment on the world stage. I dislike how large the ARP was. I dislike performative stunts like student debt relief that will go nowhere.

You are unable to explain what the GOP's plan is because they have no plan.
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[quote JFHJR

Wrong again. I'm choosing not to answer. I'm holding you accountable for the question I asked you first. You don't get to dodge my question with a question.

What, specifically, is the plan if D's are elected to address crime, the border, inflation, gas prices, nuclear war, etc, etc.

You have the big-boy pants. You want to keep the big-boy pants. What are you going to do. And answer without using the words "Trump, GOP, or Republicans."[/quote]
I'll answer though you obviously didn't direct the question at me and I don't speak for who you responded to.

crime,

Crime barely needs addressing. GOP scare mongering notwithstanding. See my post above. To the extent the current historically low crime levels are deemed too high the right response is to continue to do the only thing that has always proved effective to reduce crime - improve the economy. Crime goes up in the Summer (more when it's hotter). It goes up when there's economic dislocation and anxiety. We're just emerging from a once in a lifetime pandemic that shook the world economy like a snow globe. The right response? Take a beat. Wait. See where we actually are and respond deliberately if at all.

the border,

Pass a comprehensive immigration plan that Ds have been pushing for for decades. Right size our legal immigration so that we don't have to deal with the inflationary pressure caused by a stupidly tight job market and don't have the hypocrisy of GOP congress members and candidates bitching about illegal immigration while employing illegal immigrants in their business ventures. Fix all of that then "get tough" on the border. I'm not averse to a nation wide asylum seeker distribution compact but TX etc. have to back immigration reform first. The only reason we don't make progress on this issue is that the GOP would rather maintain a permanent (though for 80% of the country non-existent) "crisis" on the border to make political hay.

inflation,

Wait it out. Sorry, not sexy enough for you I'm sure but that's the reality. We're doing better than most peer countries. We should be grateful. Vote for whatever's behind the curtain if it makes you feel better but there is no answer here.


gas prices,

Exactly what we're doing. Increase domestic production and accelerate the shifty away from a resource the price of which we'll never control. Of course, Americans want cheaper gas yesterday and will vote for whoever pretends they have a plan to achieve that but they're lying. Our current course is the correct one.

nuclear war,

The Biden admin has rebuilt NATO, re-established the moral leadership and soft power of the US. I'm not comfortable with a heightened risk of nuclear war but I'm far more comfortable with that marginally increased risk that I would be with a GOP congress cutting off funding to Ukraine, handing an ally over to fucking Russia and putting the stability of the rest of Europe fully in play. I still can't believe the GOP has become the party of geneflucting to Putin. How did we get here? What happened? What would Reagan say?



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Re: US economy [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
JFHJR wrote:


Uh no.

You don't just get first in vig. I'm not convinced of anything, but I'm asking you to convince me why the group that has overseen where we are today should be reelected. And I'm asking you to give me something more than the other side will be worse or the other side has no plan.

You're in power. What is your plan? What are you going to do?


I'll play - They don't deserve to be reelected, but...

They don't threaten democracy either. They don't deny the outcome of the last election. They understand that Jan 6th was a very serious attack on our form of government, and they don't excuse those people. They didn't make phone calls to GA, and they actually support law enforcement. They aren't trying to undermine the medical profession's ability to care for women. They actually care about the health care programs. They understand that there is more than one religion in the US and all of them must be respected.

I will be voting for Kathy Hochul on Tuesday, as bad as she is, because the guy running against her is the opposite of all those things. I'm a registered republican, but until that side understands the system they are representing I will have to side with the opposition for a while.


So you think Kathy Hochul has performed well enough on crime in NY to keep her there?


What are the actual crime statistics for NY State that you believe support the idea that she hasn't? I'm not aware of anything useful. Much less anything that cross-references and compares to other states.

I urge you to read this, about NYC specifically (which is obviously NOT NY state)

https://www.bloomberg.com/...-crime-stat-reality/

This is an amazing chart:





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Re: US economy [Bretom] [ In reply to ]
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Spot on Bretom. Agree with all of your points.
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Data released by the FBI on Wednesday suggested that violent crime nationally didn’t increase much in 2021 relative to 2020. That comports with recent figures from crime victimization data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), which indicated that reported violent crime was flat in 2021 and down from before the pandemic.

Crime is surging (in Fox News coverage) - The Washington Post
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It's a bit amsuing that back during the #BLM protests (and I'm talking about the legal, peaceful protests that dominated), there was a lot of finger-wagging about how they needed to "look at the data" and that disproportionate police violence against black people barely exists.

I wonder how many of the finger-waggers are now hysterical about perceived crime.
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chaparral wrote:
Even if they had a plan that would work, they have every incentive to not do it. If the GOP takes power anywhere, one of their main goals would be to tank the economy. They know a weak economy in 2024 is good for them, so they will absolutely not want to fix anything. They know they will be rewarded for the damage they do, so they will do damage.

We see this with them threatening to default on the debt, which would absolutely rank the economy. Not to mention we know one sure way to increase inflation is to default on a nations debt.

That is just them being competent. If they have a small majority, they are going to be so divided they may not even get a budget passed at all!

People don’t understand how bad for the economy a GOP house and/or Senate would be.

Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Gas prices suck. Crime is ridiculous. Inflation is through the roof. Housing purchases are impossible. Food prices are soaring. We're as close to nuclear war as we've been in many of our lifetimes. The stock market is shit. But don't elect the other guy because things could get bad?

Very persuasive.

Ok, answer me this, what incentive do Republicans have to fix any of those issues? Versus being able to blame Democrats for them?
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