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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:

Biden had

You said Biden has, present tense. You cherry picked something from several months ago. In those several months since your cherry pick he is up 9 points. Admit it, you claim is false.

Can we agree on “had”?

Your guy sucks. Own that shit. Don’t come back with- oh, that was a couple months ago bs.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
Well if you had read the linkyou'd know I think the SPR should be used for supply interruptions not bringing down prices in ala a state run economy in an upcoming election year comrade

See how easy that was. Now onto the main course:

Assistant Secretary for Economic Policy Benjamin Harris and Deputy Assistant Secretary for Climate and Energy Economics Catherine Wolfram


To help address rising energy prices and mitigate a shortfall in the production of oil owing to Russia’s war in Ukraine...

Harris & Wolfram state that the SPR release was to address price rise to mitigate shortfall in production. This could be considered a supply interruption?

I missed their piece on the SPR release being an action to win votes.

Here's the way I look at it....the SPR is for something really serious.... Katrina wiping out 80% of production in the gulf for example. Turning on the spigot in 2021 was to keep prices down instead of letting the market sort it out. The Russian invasion could have been a reason but turned out it wasn't....

So when is the SPR spigot getting turned off. Now look at a calendar that has the US mid-term election on it. Make sense yet?
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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All else being equal there wasn't a supply interruption. Russia kept producing and selling it. Why were Russian energy companies not completely sanctioned? (Hint Europe needed the energy). In no way shape or form was this a supply interruption necessitating an SPR release and to argue it was, is specious at best or disingenuous tribalism at worst.

Now you are just showing your ignorance.

There was absolutely supply chain interruptions throughout the fall of 2021. I have already posted multiple links that confirm how limitations of labor, steel pipe, and equipment put major constraints on production

Russian oil exports to Northwest Europe dropped more than 80% from their peak in Nov. 2021. The war in Ukraine took more than 1 million bpd off the global market and that number was even higher in March as countries scrambled.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:

Biden had

You said Biden has, present tense. You cherry picked something from several months ago. In those several months since your cherry pick he is up 9 points. Admit it, you claim is false.

Can we agree on “had”?

Your guy sucks. Own that shit. Don’t come back with- oh, that was a couple months ago bs.

Nope.

Your posts are a good example why today's GOP is incapable of a policy discussion. You blame Biden for high gas prices but can't explain why. Windy says it was a mistake to release the SPR but cannot explain why and does not even know there was a global supply crunch.

"Your guy sucks" is what today's GOP thinks is a policy discussion.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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Your guy sucks. Own that shit. Don’t come back with- oh, that was a couple months ago bs.

The reality is I just like his policies.

And he isn't interested in overthrowing the government. Which is always a positive in a president.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Here's the way I look at it....the SPR is for something really serious.... Katrina wiping out 80% of production in the gulf for example. Turning on the spigot in 2021 was to keep prices down instead of letting the market sort it out. The Russian invasion could have been a reason but turned out it wasn't....

So when is the SPR spigot getting turned off. Now look at a calendar that has the US mid-term election on it. Make sense yet?


Not exactly. The combo of Katrina and Rita took about 8% of US production off line for while. Of the roughly 4,000 production facilities in federal waters, 37 platforms were destroyed. Those produced about 1% of total Gulf production. Oil prices spiked to $70 but quickly dropped down again. In end the US only released about 30% of what it had planned from the SPR as other producers took up the slack

U.S. oil production in November 2020 was 13 Million bpd. In November 2021 it was 11 Million bpd. Oil prices hit $143 per barrel in March.

Windy logic
8% reduction in production = Release the SPR!
16% reduction in production = Don't release the SPR! That would be Socialism!
Oil at $70 per barrel = Release the SPR!
Oil at $143 per barrel = Don't release the SPR!
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
jharris wrote:
TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.


Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?

What should people pay for diesel?

How are you going to get the oil companies to charge customers what you think they should be charging?


It’s not about that. It’s about someone posting gas prices are down the last 90 days which is deflection from the current issue. They are acting like the problem doesn’t exist. It still exists.
So you're saying it's not about the cost of diesel fuel? Why did you bring that up?

Was releasing the SPR a good thing? Would it have been better to have left the SPR in the ground? If the current cost of diesel fuel is a problem, what would you do differently to lower the cost of diesel fuel?

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.


Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?

Why are you such a liar, and especially about something so easily disproven? GasBuddy shows the top ten prices in Milwaukee County ranging from $4.19 to $4.74, and the map of Milwaukee shows prices ranging from $4.49 to $4.74. Did you have to search hard to find $4.99/gallon?

Where is it worse? GasBuddy shows the top ten prices in Wisconsin ranging from $3.89/gal to $4.19/gal.

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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Alvin Tostig] [ In reply to ]
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
jharris wrote:
Alvin Tostig wrote:
jharris wrote:
TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.


Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?

What should people pay for diesel?

How are you going to get the oil companies to charge customers what you think they should be charging?


It’s not about that. It’s about someone posting gas prices are down the last 90 days which is deflection from the current issue. They are acting like the problem doesn’t exist. It still exists.

So you're saying it's not about the cost of diesel fuel? Why did you bring that up?

Was releasing the SPR a good thing? Would it have been better to have left the SPR in the ground? If the current cost of diesel fuel is a problem, what would you do differently to lower the cost of diesel fuel?


Not sure if there is anything that can be done. The spike in diesel is almost completely due to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. US refineries are running flat out right now so more more oil would not help.

Unfortunately I think the diesel issue could get even worse in coming months.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
jharris wrote:
TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.


Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?


Why are you such a liar, and especially about something so easily disproven? GasBuddy shows the top ten prices in Milwaukee County ranging from $4.19 to $4.74, and the map of Milwaukee shows prices ranging from $4.49 to $4.74. Did you have to search hard to find $4.99/gallon?

Where is it worse? GasBuddy shows the top ten prices in Wisconsin ranging from $3.89/gal to $4.19/gal.

I see different numbers for milwaukee wi than you do for Diesel. It shows me 4.39 to 5.18
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
jharris wrote:
TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.


Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?


Why are you such a liar, and especially about something so easily disproven? GasBuddy shows the top ten prices in Milwaukee County ranging from $4.19 to $4.74, and the map of Milwaukee shows prices ranging from $4.49 to $4.74. Did you have to search hard to find $4.99/gallon?

Where is it worse? GasBuddy shows the top ten prices in Wisconsin ranging from $3.89/gal to $4.19/gal.

It is easier for jharris to overcharge little old ladies when he lies to them that gas prices are through the roof! Have you seen his Yelp rating? Worse in WI history!
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [patf] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, it looks like jharris wasn't being truthful. Plenty of places under $4.99.

Now that Joe has brought down gas prices what do you suggest he do about diesel prices? I don't think there is much he can do.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
And yes I'd like to refill the SPR ASAP and only use it for you know real emergencies and not as a quasi-socialist state run economy regulator.

Biden released the SPR, what would you have done instead? what would be the impact of your actions? What constitutes a real emergency worthy of using the SPR? When would President Windy use it?

I see it more as a temporary buffer against the not-so-quasi-cartel that supplies most of the world's oil.

That being said, Biden's talks with the Saudis were undoubtedly more useful in this situation than the SPR release.

Careful.... that's agreeing with me
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
spudone wrote:
stevie g wrote:
And yes I'd like to refill the SPR ASAP and only use it for you know real emergencies and not as a quasi-socialist state run economy regulator.

Biden released the SPR, what would you have done instead? what would be the impact of your actions? What constitutes a real emergency worthy of using the SPR? When would President Windy use it?

I see it more as a temporary buffer against the not-so-quasi-cartel that supplies most of the world's oil.

That being said, Biden's talks with the Saudis were undoubtedly more useful in this situation than the SPR release.

Careful.... that's agreeing with me

So now you agree with Biden providing a temporary buffer when the worlds top oil producers were experiencing production issues.

Good to hear you have come to your senses.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [patf] [ In reply to ]
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patf wrote:

All I'm getting from this is that I need to go to burger King 🤴

Maurice
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
jharris wrote:

Your guy sucks. Own that shit. Don’t come back with- oh, that was a couple months ago bs.


The reality is I just like his policies.

And he isn't interested in overthrowing the government. Which is always a positive in a president.

That’s a fair statement. ‘Merica!
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:
Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:


Biden had


You said Biden has, present tense. You cherry picked something from several months ago. In those several months since your cherry pick he is up 9 points. Admit it, you claim is false.


Can we agree on “had”?

Your guy sucks. Own that shit. Don’t come back with- oh, that was a couple months ago bs.


Nope.

Your posts are a good example why today's GOP is incapable of a policy discussion. You blame Biden for high gas prices but can't explain why. Windy says it was a mistake to release the SPR but cannot explain why and does not even know there was a global supply crunch.

"Your guy sucks" is what today's GOP thinks is a policy discussion.

Our conversation was about Biden having shitty approval ratings.

Own the reality of his shit numbers this summer.

Just say you like the guy with shitty approval rating numbers from a few months ago, although now he is up a bit from his low. Just say it. I want you to take ownership.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:

Our conversation was about

....Joe Biden releasing oil from the SPR. He also convinced China, India, South Korea, the UK, and Japan to join in and also release oil onto the global market. The Treasury department says that effort was worth .42 per gallon in gas price reductions for the American consumer during a time of tight global supply.

He also lobbied US producers and the Saudis to produce more. They did. The result of his effort was 91 days of consecutive gas price decreases.

No wonder his approval is up 9 points since July. You guys are going to need to come up with some better lies for the midterms. The "Joe Biden raised gas prices" needs to be retired as it makes the GOP look foolish.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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"Our conversation was about Biden having shitty approval ratings."

How bad would a Republican's approval ratings have to be for you to refer to them as "really shitty?"


Biden's rating has been significantly better than Trump's.

Significantly better than GWB's 2nd term.

Pretty close to Reagan's first two year trend.



Don't bother, I already know the answer. If a Democrat is president, 4 dead in Benghazi is the worst thing that could ever happen. If 3,000 die in a terrorist attack, or 7,000 during a stupid war, or a million die during a pandemic........well, that's really not that many people.



Four people died, jharris. FOUR. FOUR!!! You don't think that's a big deal, tell that to their families. FOUR!!!!!!!

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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Alvin Tostig] [ In reply to ]
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
jharris wrote:
Alvin Tostig wrote:
jharris wrote:
TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.


Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?

What should people pay for diesel?

How are you going to get the oil companies to charge customers what you think they should be charging?


It’s not about that. It’s about someone posting gas prices are down the last 90 days which is deflection from the current issue. They are acting like the problem doesn’t exist. It still exists.
So you're saying it's not about the cost of diesel fuel? Why did you bring that up?

Was releasing the SPR a good thing? Would it have been better to have left the SPR in the ground? If the current cost of diesel fuel is a problem, what would you do differently to lower the cost of diesel fuel?

Same issue brah. Point of diesel at $4.99 a gallon isn’t an achievement. It’s a problem. Say it’s a problem.

I think most right wingers just want the lefties to admit to the issue. $4.99 a gallon for diesel is a problem. Biden low approval rating is a problem.

Yes?
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:

Our conversation was about

....Joe Biden releasing oil from the SPR. He also convinced China, India, South Korea, the UK, and Japan to join in and also release oil onto the global market. The Treasury department says that effort was worth .42 per gallon in gas price reductions for the American consumer during a time of tight global supply.

He also lobbied US producers and the Saudis to produce more. They did. The result of his effort was 91 days of consecutive gas price decreases.

No wonder his approval is up 9 points since July. You guys are going to need to come up with some better lies for the midterms. The "Joe Biden raised gas prices" needs to be retired as it makes the GOP look foolish.

It’s more like:

Ignore the problem

Approval ratings suck

Eh…. Let’s throw the right wingers a bone

Lefties like- my guy rocks! What’s wrong with you righties!!!

Lefties like $4.99 for diesel, nothing to see here. My guy rocks.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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Same issue brah. Point of diesel at $4.99 a gallon isn’t an achievement. It’s a problem. Say it’s a problem.

I think most right wingers just want the lefties to admit to the issue. $4.99 a gallon for diesel is a problem. Biden low approval rating is a problem.

Yes?

No. The problem is you repeating BS. Maybe you should talk to the owners of the station selling diesel at above-market prices.

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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
Same issue brah. Point of diesel at $4.99 a gallon isn’t an achievement. It’s a problem. Say it’s a problem.

I have said it is a problem, one that is likely to get worse, not better.

What did Biden do to cause it and what you suggest Biden do to fix it? Be specific.
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