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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
And yes I'd like to refill the SPR ASAP and only use it for you know real emergencies and not as a quasi-socialist state run economy regulator.

Biden released the SPR, what would you have done instead? what would be the impact of your actions? What constitutes a real emergency worthy of using the SPR? When would President Windy use it?

Done instead with regard to what exactly? I encourage you to look at the date of the first post of this thread before answering.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:
trail wrote:
jharris wrote:


Biden has the worst approval rating of any president

Biden adds more oil supply.


Those two are, indeed, lies. You've given up on rational discussion, and are just going with "own the lib" trolling?


Yes, he most likely isn’t adding more oil supply. Thanks for correcting me.

Feel free to post Biden’s approval ratings


Up 9 points in 4 months

You made the claim that Joe has "The worst approval rating of any president".....show your math.

Faux News told him so. So it’s so.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
stevie g wrote:
And yes I'd like to refill the SPR ASAP and only use it for you know real emergencies and not as a quasi-socialist state run economy regulator.

Biden released the SPR, what would you have done instead? what would be the impact of your actions? What constitutes a real emergency worthy of using the SPR? When would President Windy use it?

Done instead with regard to what exactly? I encourage you to look at the date of the first post of this thread before answering.

At the time of the first post on this thread oil producers were struggling to increase output. Some of it was due to a desire to maximize profit but a lot of it was due to supply chain issues. Biden wisely went and recruited multiple countries to release some of their SPRs to ease the global supply issues. He also actively lobbied the worlds largest oil producers to increase production.

Biden's effort worked. The Saudis, OPEC and the US increased production by millions of barrels per day. The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines. The release of the SPR is responsible for .42 per gallong of that decline.

The question is what would President Windy do? We already know the answer. You would throw rocks, dance around in circles, and run away.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [TMI] [ In reply to ]
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TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.

Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:
trail wrote:
jharris wrote:


Biden has the worst approval rating of any president

Biden adds more oil supply.


Those two are, indeed, lies. You've given up on rational discussion, and are just going with "own the lib" trolling?


Yes, he most likely isn’t adding more oil supply. Thanks for correcting me.

Feel free to post Biden’s approval ratings


Up 9 points in 4 months

You made the claim that Joe has "The worst approval rating of any president".....show your math.

Faux News told him so. So it’s so.

Not hard to Google. First thing I found.

https://news.gallup.com/...al-dips-new-low.aspx

Biden had the lowest approval rating of any elected President on a 6 qtr average since elected.

We can ignore that now though, because he is up a whopping 9points (per another poster) since Trump is under fire and Biden pulled the college debt relief out of his magician hat.

Sorry your guy sucks, just admit it. Oh yeah- he isn’t Trump. Got it.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Exactly, when asked what he would do, Windy well doesn't have a thing to add, but he will throw rocks.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
We can ignore that now though, because he is up a whopping 9points (per another poster) since Trump is under fire and Biden pulled the college debt relief out of his magician hat.

i'm curious about what you mean

Biden is looking better thanks to Trump's legal situation?

Trump voters are switching allegiance to Biden?

something else?
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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Exactly, when asked what he would do, Windy well doesn't have a thing to add, but he will throw rocks.

I'll answer the question when it's fucking specific. For example numbnuts....

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=7809409#p7809409
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:

Biden had

You said Biden has, present tense. You cherry picked something from several months ago. In those several months since your cherry pick he is up 9 points. Admit it, you claim is false.

Canceling Keystone has zero impact on today's oil prices. Even when it would have been running at full capacity several years from now it would add less than 1% to global supply.

Biden's policies did not increase gas prices but his release of the SPR, and his efforts to get other countries to do and increase production, did.......but you knew that.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
Exactly, when asked what he would do, Windy well doesn't have a thing to add, but he will throw rocks.

Having a policy discussion with Windy is futile.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.


Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?
What should people pay for diesel?

How are you going to get the oil companies to charge customers what you think they should be charging?

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:

Biden had

You said Biden has, present tense. You cherry picked something from several months ago. In those several months since your cherry pick he is up 9 points. Admit it, you claim is false.

Canceling Keystone has zero impact on today's oil prices. Even when it would have been running at full capacity several years from now it would add less than 1% to global supply.

Biden's policies did not increase gas prices but his release of the SPR, and his efforts to get other countries to do and increase production, did.......but you knew that.

Not sure who, but I assume FOX has convinced the Trumpkins that Biden has increased gas prices by being mean to the oil companies.

I keep coming against this. The story has a couple angles. He canceled pipelines that would still not be online. He wants EV's and for us to be off oil. And he has called them mean names. None of this has affected oil supply mind you. But, the story goes, oil companies are so despondent that they have ceased exploration ( which of course wouldn't be online for year ) because what is the point of going on? And the big one, which is my favorite, the oil companies are intentionally choking supply and "refusing to work with Biden" because of their hurt feelings.

When asked why we shouldn't hold the oil companies accountable for intentionally attacking all Americans and harming the country because Biden was mean I have been met with silence.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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When asked why we shouldn't hold the oil companies accountable for intentionally attacking all Americans and harming the country because Biden was mean I have been met with silence.

When Trump was mean it was good. Now Biden is mean and it's bad.

I can't keep up.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
Nutella wrote:
jharris wrote:

Biden had

You said Biden has, present tense. You cherry picked something from several months ago. In those several months since your cherry pick he is up 9 points. Admit it, you claim is false.

Canceling Keystone has zero impact on today's oil prices. Even when it would have been running at full capacity several years from now it would add less than 1% to global supply.

Biden's policies did not increase gas prices but his release of the SPR, and his efforts to get other countries to do and increase production, did.......but you knew that.

Not sure who, but I assume FOX has convinced the Trumpkins that Biden has increased gas prices by being mean to the oil companies.

I keep coming against this. The story has a couple angles. He canceled pipelines that would still not be online. He wants EV's and for us to be off oil. And he has called them mean names. None of this has affected oil supply mind you. But, the story goes, oil companies are so despondent that they have ceased exploration ( which of course wouldn't be online for year ) because what is the point of going on? And the big one, which is my favorite, the oil companies are intentionally choking supply and "refusing to work with Biden" because of their hurt feelings.

When asked why we shouldn't hold the oil companies accountable for intentionally attacking all Americans and harming the country because Biden was mean I have been met with silence.

As you can see on this thread there are plenty of people that fall for the bad faith talking points. When asked what he would do Windy does his usual deflection dance.

Today's GOP has zero interest in policy, just thin talking points to rally the base.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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He has had a number of chances to put forward an answer, the question is quite simple. But Windy requires greater specificity, then engages in foul language and name calling.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
He has had a number of chances to put forward an answer, the question is quite simple. But Windy requires greater specificity, then engages in foul language and name calling.

Did you click the link where I answered your question? Or do you just prefer to mentally jerk off with the mentally unstable?
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I did not click your link. The accepted norm is, answer the question:

The US Department of the Treasury analysis suggests that President Biden’s historic SPR release, in coordination with IEA partners, lowered the price of gasoline by 17 cents to 42 cents per gallon, with an alternate approach suggesting a point estimate of 38 cents per gallon. This decline in prices had meaningful benefits for American consumers and helped to mitigate the impacts of rising gas prices on economywide inflation. Moving forward, the Biden Administration is committed to further addressing concerns about rising energy prices.

Then provide the supporting evidence:

The Price Impact of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve Release | U.S. Department of the Treasury
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
I did not click your link. The accepted norm is, answer the question:

The US Department of the Treasury analysis suggests that President Biden’s historic SPR release, in coordination with IEA partners, lowered the price of gasoline by 17 cents to 42 cents per gallon, with an alternate approach suggesting a point estimate of 38 cents per gallon. This decline in prices had meaningful benefits for American consumers and helped to mitigate the impacts of rising gas prices on economywide inflation. Moving forward, the Biden Administration is committed to further addressing concerns about rising energy prices.

Then provide the supporting evidence:

The Price Impact of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve Release | U.S. Department of the Treasury

Well if you had read the link you'd know I think the SPR should be used for supply interruptions not bringing down prices in ala a state run economy in an upcoming election year comrade
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Well if you had read the linkyou'd know I think the SPR should be used for supply interruptions not bringing down prices in ala a state run economy in an upcoming election year comrade

See how easy that was. Now onto the main course:

Assistant Secretary for Economic Policy Benjamin Harris and Deputy Assistant Secretary for Climate and Energy Economics Catherine Wolfram


To help address rising energy prices and mitigate a shortfall in the production of oil owing to Russia’s war in Ukraine...

Harris & Wolfram state that the SPR release was to address price rise to mitigate shortfall in production. This could be considered a supply interruption?

I missed their piece on the SPR release being an action to win votes.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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He has had a number of chances to put forward an answer, the question is quite simple. But Windy requires greater specificity, then engages in foul language and name calling.

It is a quite simple question. The reasonable people here had no problem discussing it. Windy's response is to post a link that in no way answers it and then proceed with the usual rock throwing and name calling.

The globe was hit by multiple unprecedented events. Major supply chain issues that caused both OPEC and North American producers to struggle to get production going again. This supply constraint was coupled with a surge in demand as the global economy reopened.

In addition to the supply crunch Putin was starting his mobilization. Putin has a long history of weaponizing energy and Biden was smart enough to see that adding liquidity to the global market was going to be critical to combat Putin's games.

The administration has talked about not refilling until Q4 2023. They shot down the idea of refilling when prices go under $80, which happened on Friday. Personally I think they should go ahead with the November release and then gradually refill if WTI stays under $80.

Windy is just pissed that Biden did the right thing.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Well if you had read the link you'd know I think the SPR should be used for supply interruptions not bringing down prices in ala a state run economy in an upcoming election year comrade

The war caused a supply interruption....
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [stevie g] [ In reply to ]
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stevie g wrote:
Well if you had read the linkyou'd know I think the SPR should be used for supply interruptions not bringing down prices in ala a state run economy in an upcoming election year comrade

See how easy that was. Now onto the main course:

Assistant Secretary for Economic Policy Benjamin Harris and Deputy Assistant Secretary for Climate and Energy Economics Catherine Wolfram


To help address rising energy prices and mitigate a shortfall in the production of oil owing to Russia’s war in Ukraine...

Harris & Wolfram state that the SPR release was to address price rise to mitigate shortfall in production. This could be considered a supply interruption?

I missed their piece on the SPR release being an action to win votes.


When did they turn in the SPR spigot? When did Russia invade?

All else being equal there wasn't a supply interruption. Russia kept producing and selling it. Why were Russian energy companies not completely sanctioned? (Hint Europe needed the energy). In no way shape or form was this a supply interruption necessitating an SPR release and to argue it was, is specious at best or disingenuous tribalism at worst.


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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
stevie g wrote:
I did not click your link. The accepted norm is, answer the question:


The US Department of the Treasury analysis suggests that President Biden’s historic SPR release, in coordination with IEA partners, lowered the price of gasoline by 17 cents to 42 cents per gallon, with an alternate approach suggesting a point estimate of 38 cents per gallon. This decline in prices had meaningful benefits for American consumers and helped to mitigate the impacts of rising gas prices on economywide inflation. Moving forward, the Biden Administration is committed to further addressing concerns about rising energy prices.

Then provide the supporting evidence:

The Price Impact of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve Release | U.S. Department of the Treasury


Well if you had read the link you'd know I think the SPR should be used for supply interruptions not bringing down prices in ala a state run economy in an upcoming election year comrade


If you followed this topic at all you would know that there have been major supply interruptions for much of the last 12 months

https://www.reuters.com/...ut-gains-2021-11-15/
https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2022/0419
https://www.argusmedia.com/...eigh-on-us-base-oils
https://www.spglobal.com/...ptions-platts-survey

OPEC and the US producers were struggling to get supply back on line. OPEC repeatedly missed their quotas. Some of it was due to maximizing profits but most of it was due to supply chain issues.

Now I know why you refused to answer a simple question......you really do not understand this topic.
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Re: So Biden is releasing the SPR [Alvin Tostig] [ In reply to ]
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Alvin Tostig wrote:
jharris wrote:
TMI wrote:
Nutella wrote:
The US has seen 91 straight weeks of gas price declines.

I think that's 91 (or 99) straight days of gas price declines.


Yes, it’s terrific that diesel is $4.99 a gallon in Milwaukee and still worse in other areas.

Are you serious? Really?
What should people pay for diesel?

How are you going to get the oil companies to charge customers what you think they should be charging?

It’s not about that. It’s about someone posting gas prices are down the last 90 days which is deflection from the current issue. They are acting like the problem doesn’t exist. It still exists.
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