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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [schroeder] [ In reply to ]
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It's not unlike republicans claiming democrats are cutting medicare because negotiating drug prices will reduce costs. It's been know for years that increasing the IRS budget will be a net $ win but the IRS is one more agency republicans want to eliminate.

to be fair, it's the Republican donors who want to eliminate or weaken the IRS. The Republican party members are just the willing ballwashers to do it for them.

I think we need to rebrand the IRS as "the tax evasion police" and then put the Republicans on the spot about why they are trying to "defund the police"
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
windywave wrote:
trail wrote:
windywave wrote:
See below.

WRONG. Older posts are *above*.

Been cocktailing wanker

Drunk lies are still lies. Careful, Tyler will say bad things about you.

I've said no lies. That's the point
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
j p o wrote:
windywave wrote:
trail wrote:
windywave wrote:
See below.

WRONG. Older posts are *above*.

Been cocktailing wanker

Drunk lies are still lies. Careful, Tyler will say bad things about you.

I've said no lies. That's the point



I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Back on topic

Interesting look at the years of budget cuts at the IRS that have led to short staffing, inability to modernize, and lack of supplies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/...uction-act-rcna42554

The IRS has shed about 13% of its staff since 2012. Meanwhile we have 14% more taxpayers filing returns over the same period. The IRS’s budget has dropped around 15% when adjusted for inflation. Staffing in enforcement has fallen even more sharply, by 30% since 2010, even while the tax code — and businesses’ and individuals’ maneuvers to circumvent it — have become more complex. Many of the new hires are to replace the 52,000 employees who are expected to leave or retire in coming years.

Of course the Far Right has been spewing lies about the funding, some of which have been repeated here.

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Brian Kilmeade described a bolstered IRS as “Joe Biden’s new army” and told viewers that armed agents could “hunt down and kill middle-class taxpayers that don’t pay enough.” Speaking against the bill in Congress Friday, Rep. Lauren Boebert, a Republican from Colorado, said firearm-carrying IRS officials would be “committing armed robbery on Americans.”

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far-right figures and militia groups on social media platforms like TikTok cited the planned IRS funding in apocalyptic warnings about civil war and federal plans to seize citizens’ guns.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Bretom wrote:
windywave wrote:
Bretom wrote:
windywave wrote:
Thom wrote:
tyrod1 wrote:
Claim that new bill violates pledge not to raise taxes on folks making less than 400k. CBO says new agents will get $20billion out of tax cheats in the less than $400k class. What a bunch of dumarses.


If a retailer cracks down on shoplifting, are they raising prices? I guess that's sort of technically true.


The inverse is actually true since lower COGS.

However depending on the jurisdiction shoplifting isn't prosecuted


?? Shoplifting lowers revenue not COGS.


Isn't losses part of COGS? Shoplifting is no different than breakage?


Unfortunately, upon further review, I think you're half-right. At the risk of embarrassing myself twice I think it actually does go to COGS but the impact depends on whether you choose to take it off beginning or ending inventory - the former = lower COGS, the latter = higher COGS.


I see that as a win for everybody

Theft lowers inventory, and goes to an expense account called “inventory shrinkage”.

It becomes an expense (loss) on the income statement in that period. However, it can be incorporated into COGS as apparently the IRS allows that per a quick Google search.

https://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/...d-expense-24803.html
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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Isn’t it 87,000 new IRS agents? Seems a bit concerning. The same people that want to defund the police want to hire a shit ton of IRS agents. Kinda “Hinky”, don’t you think?

The problem with Fox is that the story isn’t as deep as they make it sound. Not that it isn’t valid.

We should test this theory by watching Fox News from 2 years ago and see if any of their claims had merit now that the future is the past.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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I take it you didn’t read the AP News link above?

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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
Isn’t it 87,000 new IRS agents?

The talking point that wouldn't die. They should make a horror movie.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
Isn’t it 87,000 new IRS agents? Seems a bit concerning. The same people that want to defund the police want to hire a shit ton of IRS agents. Kinda “Hinky”, don’t you think?

The problem with Fox is that the story isn’t as deep as they make it sound. Not that it isn’t valid.

We should test this theory by watching Fox News from 2 years ago and see if any of their claims had merit now that the future is the past.


No, it isn't. No matter how many times you, Tyler, Norm, and Marjorie Taylor Greene repeat the lie it is still a lie.

https://apnews.com/...3a04584371843234cab7

In addition to wanting to defund the IRS so they cannot enforce the law many of the leaders of your party are calling for the DOJ and FBI to be defunded. You are silent. Odd.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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A good grief Charlie Brown moment. Are our diets degrading our minds? Maybe for E, does Fox play subliminal messages for its viewers making them stupid? Hard to believe some comments, maybe even mine.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
Isn’t it 87,000 new IRS agents? Seems a bit concerning. The same people that want to defund the police want to hire a shit ton of IRS agents. Kinda “Hinky”, don’t you think?

The problem with Fox is that the story isn’t as deep as they make it sound. Not that it isn’t valid.

We should test this theory by watching Fox News from 2 years ago and see if any of their claims had merit now that the future is the past.

Yes, let's verify previous FoxNews claims - Are you posting from a FEMA camp?

Years ago, Glenn Beck was on Foxnews and went on and on about Obama locking up his opposition in FEMA camps. He even showed a video which he claimed was a train station to a FEMA camp (turns out it was an Amtrak maintenance yard)- there were no FEMA camps. FoxNews has a history of utter bullshit.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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tyrod1 wrote:
A good grief Charlie Brown moment. Are our diets degrading our minds? Maybe for E, does Fox play subliminal messages for its viewers making them stupid? Hard to believe some comments, maybe even mine.

Fox, Trump, and the rest of the GOP spew lies because they know their faithful base will repeat those lies without question. A reasonable person would seek out better sources of information after being embarrassed a few times by parroting false claims, but not these folks. They double down and repeat the lies over and over. It is clear they have zero interest in a good faith discussion of the topic.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [ChiTownJack] [ In reply to ]
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ChiTownJack wrote:
jharris wrote:
Isn’t it 87,000 new IRS agents? Seems a bit concerning. The same people that want to defund the police want to hire a shit ton of IRS agents. Kinda “Hinky”, don’t you think?


The problem with Fox is that the story isn’t as deep as they make it sound. Not that it isn’t valid.

We should test this theory by watching Fox News from 2 years ago and see if any of their claims had merit now that the future is the past.


Yes, let's verify previous FoxNews claims - Are you posting from a FEMA camp?

Years ago, Glenn Beck was on Foxnews and went on and on about Obama locking up his opposition in FEMA camps. He even showed a video which he claimed was a train station to a FEMA camp (turns out it was an Amtrak maintenance yard)- there were no FEMA camps. FoxNews has a history of utter bullshit.


Here are some more from the echo chamber

“Donald Trump authorized up to 20,000 National Guard troops to protect the Capitol" before Jan. 6, 2021, but was "rejected" by Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

If you look pre-COVID" under President Donald Trump, "we didn't import a single barrel of oil from Saudi Arabia.”


"President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified. How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!"


The government is arming up the IRS because “Joe Biden is raising taxes and disarming Americans.”


Fox News Airs Doctored Photo of Trump Raid Judge With Ghislaine Maxwell
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
Isn’t it 87,000 new IRS agents? Seems a bit concerning. The same people that want to defund the police want to hire a shit ton of IRS agents. Kinda “Hinky”, don’t you think?
The same people that supposedly support the police (well, except the Capitol Police) want to defund the IRS police. Kinda 'hinky', don't you think?

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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Fox, Trump, and the rest of the GOP spew lies because they know their faithful base will repeat those lies without question. A reasonable person would seek out better sources of information after being embarrassed a few times by parroting false claims, but not these folks. They double down and repeat the lies over and over. It is clear they have zero interest in a good faith discussion of the topic.

They'll be back to play the victim for being attacked by the LR echo chamber for having, "conservative views".
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [jharris] [ In reply to ]
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jharris wrote:
Isn’t it 87,000 new IRS agents? Seems a bit concerning. The same people that want to defund the police want to hire a shit ton of IRS agents. Kinda “Hinky”, don’t you think?

The problem with Fox is that the story isn’t as deep as they make it sound. Not that it isn’t valid.

We should test this theory by watching Fox News from 2 years ago and see if any of their claims had merit now that the future is the past.

Why do you love tax cheats?
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Simple. Making people pay what they owe is raising taxes. Only in Fox/MAGA world.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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Simple. Making people pay what they owe is raising taxes. Only in Fox/MAGA world.

IRS budget cuts have made it nearly impossible to audit ultra wealthy tax payers who use lawyers to simply outlast the IRS. The IRS has literally given up on many audits because they don't have enough resources. In 2009, they tried to set up a more advanced audit team to address the highly complex returns of the ultra-wealthy but budget cuts also cut this program.

https://www.propublica.org/...l-high-wealth-audits

"The IRS’ new approach to taking on the superwealthy has been stymied. The wealthy’s lobbyists immediately pushed to defang the new team. And soon after the group was formed, Republicans in Congress began slashing the agency’s budget. As a result, the team didn’t receive the resources it was promised. Thousands of IRS employees left from every corner of the agency, especially ones with expertise in complex audits, the kinds of specialists the agency hoped would staff the new elite unit. The agency had planned to assign 242 examiners to the group by 2012, according to a report by the IRS’ inspector general. But by 2014, it had only 96 auditors. By last year, the number had fallen to 58."
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
I take it you didn’t read the AP News link above?

He doesn't need to. He knows he's right because Brietbart told him so.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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It's worse than just disarming. The IRS is going to send kill squads.

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"...these agents hunt down and kill middle class taxpayers that don't pay enough? It's Joe Biden's new army."


Kilmeade really pisses me off. He's egging on the guys poised to storm Federal workers or offices, like the gunman who tried to breach the Cincinatti FBI office. And he's laughing the whole time because he's trending on social media. He'll claim it's satire, which it is in a sick way. And then jharris et al, will parrot the watered down version of the lie.

Edit: This one pisses me off because it's somewhat personal. I know an IRS special agent, and he's out there trying to go after foreign cartels laundering money in the U.S., etc. One of the best people I know. To suggest these guys would kill innocent Americans is just disgusting.


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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [trail] [ In reply to ]
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It's worse than just disarming. The IRS is going to send kill squads.

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"...these agents hunt down and kill middle class taxpayers that don't pay enough? It's Joe Biden's new army."


Kilmeade really pisses me off. He's egging on the guys poised to storm Federal workers or offices, like the gunman who tried to breach the Cincinatti FBI office. And he's laughing the whole time because he's trending on social media. He'll claim it's satire, which it is in a sick way. And then jharris et al, will parrot the watered down version of the lie.

Edit: This one pisses me off because it's somewhat personal. I know an IRS special agent, and he's out there trying to go after foreign cartels laundering money in the U.S., etc. One of the best people I know. To suggest these guys would kill innocent Americans is just disgusting.


The phrase, "don't pay enough" is an interesting choice of words. Rather than "tax cheat," "don't pay enough" sounds like the IRS finds no problems with a return but wants an extra $1000 as a penalty for watching Fox news.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [Thom] [ In reply to ]
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Thom wrote:
Nutella wrote:

Fox, Trump, and the rest of the GOP spew lies because they know their faithful base will repeat those lies without question. A reasonable person would seek out better sources of information after being embarrassed a few times by parroting false claims, but not these folks. They double down and repeat the lies over and over. It is clear they have zero interest in a good faith discussion of the topic.


They'll be back to play the victim for being attacked by the LR echo chamber for having, "conservative views".


The first one to spot jharris will get free lifetime bike fits from Slowman.


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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [trail] [ In reply to ]
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It's worse than just disarming. The IRS is going to send kill squads.

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"...these agents hunt down and kill middle class taxpayers that don't pay enough? It's Joe Biden's new army."


Kilmeade really pisses me off. He's egging on the guys poised to storm Federal workers or offices, like the gunman who tried to breach the Cincinatti FBI office. And he's laughing the whole time because he's trending on social media. He'll claim it's satire, which it is in a sick way. And then jharris et al, will parrot the watered down version of the lie.

Edit: This one pisses me off because it's somewhat personal. I know an IRS special agent, and he's out there trying to go after foreign cartels laundering money in the U.S., etc. One of the best people I know. To suggest these guys would kill innocent Americans is just disgusting.


Exactly. People don't seem to understand that how critical this is. I know a former IRS Special Agent and the dude was super serious about his job.
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Re: Fox hot to trot on new IRS agents [schroeder] [ In reply to ]
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It's worse than just disarming. The IRS is going to send kill squads.

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"...these agents hunt down and kill middle class taxpayers that don't pay enough? It's Joe Biden's new army."


Kilmeade really pisses me off. He's egging on the guys poised to storm Federal workers or offices, like the gunman who tried to breach the Cincinatti FBI office. And he's laughing the whole time because he's trending on social media. He'll claim it's satire, which it is in a sick way. And then jharris et al, will parrot the watered down version of the lie.

Edit: This one pisses me off because it's somewhat personal. I know an IRS special agent, and he's out there trying to go after foreign cartels laundering money in the U.S., etc. One of the best people I know. To suggest these guys would kill innocent Americans is just disgusting.


The phrase, "don't pay enough" is an interesting choice of words. Rather than "tax cheat," "don't pay enough" sounds like the IRS finds no problems with a return but wants an extra $1000 as a penalty for watching Fox news.

Not to mention I'm pretty sure we have one of the lowest tax burdens of any developed nation, even with the insane money with spend on the military. Nothing like wanting something for nothing.
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