It's my understanding that if a state legal system has evaluated mental health in some of the more extreme ways that show up as public record, e.g. involuntary hold, legally unfit to manage own affairs, etc, that should show up on the NICS search

I'm not saying that's sufficient or complete in any way. Just saying that it's one way that a background check could verify some aspects of mental health.

Hey pedantic one, if he’d said or, you’d have a valid point.

I learned something! I thought all "unhealthy weight" was a form of obesity in clinical description, and didn't know there was a band between 25 and 30 on the BMI scale that's called just "overweight."

I'm still right about the chickens.

Nothing will change as long as we continue re-electing dumba** politicians who are paid by the NRA to block legislation about gun control.....

https://www.newsweek.com/mitt-romney-nra-donation-uvalde-texas-school-shooting-1710020

Some might slip through. But most of the dangerous people should have some kind of criminal history. It won't stop everyone, but zeroism is an impossible goal.

All we ever hear from politicians are, "thoughts and prayers".

Is there any line that can be crossed where gun control/removal will ever be seriously discussed?

I naively thought a couple times things might change. Now I'm more cynical and can't see anything changing in the foreseeable future. What will it take or will there never be a change in the US?


There was no real changes after Sandy Hook, and sadly there will be none this time either. The debate and the discussions keep going around and around. What I would wish is for the Gun proponents and the politicians to perhaps zoom out a bit and look at the rest of the G20 countries - many of these countries socio-economically similar to the U.S. On comparison of the total number of deaths of all kinds due to guns, in the U.S. is OFF THE CHARTS greater than any of those other countries - it is a complete and total outlier!

I get it that there is this connection to the constitution in the U.S. And there is a large part of the population of the U.S. that says and feels that a society with more guns is a safer society. On the surface, this does have some veneer thin credibility - if I know, everyone has a gun, then I would be a fool to mess with anyone else, right? But the statistics, some of which are in the first paragraph above DO NOT bare this out. Again, the U.S. has a very high rate of crimes of all kinds compared to all other G20 countries - and gun deaths either by a violent criminal act, or any other way, are off-the-charts higher, as noted!

Whereas, in ALL of those other G20 countries there has been a collective decision made, that a safer society is one with massively LESS or in some cases NO guns! I'll note that this is over 3 billion+ people in the world who have chosen to live this way - compared to the 300 million in the U.S. who have chosen a VERY different way to live - and are paying a VERY high price for that! Yet, I have had Americans tell me to my face - that the 3 billion+ of the rest of us, have it all wrong!! So, by that, I am guessing again, that nothing is going to change

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Coincidently both cars and guns cause similar amounts of fatalities per year. Can you imagine if the AAA "defended" the right to freedom of movement using automobiles like the NRA defends the right to bare arms? If GOP politicians would get voted out of office if they supported legislation to reduce traffic deaths?

Please tell us you are not that ill-informed.

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More pedantry: "obese and overweight" evaluates to the larger of the two values (most likely "overweight"). "obese or overweight" evaluates to the union of the two values.

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This list of G20? Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, and the European Union

Yes - please, let live like they do in China and Russia. (1/2 of your 3 billion number)

How many mass shooters had a prior criminal history?

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I have a mixed relationship with the NRA. I think the grassroots NRA is fantastic. Educational programs, competitions, etc. Speaking as someone who's participated in a bunch of different NRA programs over my lifetime.

The lobbying arm is bananas, and has come close to destroying the entire NRA financially and in other ways.

I wish they'd formally split the NRA into two distinct entities, one devoted to grassroots stuff, and the other to lobbying the government. With independent leadership hierarchies and independent funding.

What about the other 17 countries and 1.5B people? As Steve Kerr would say, "pathetic".

Yes - please, let live like they do in China and Russia. (1/2 of your 3 billion number)



Please read:

"many of these countries socio-economically similar to the U.S." - Fleck

To save time and be brief I did not want to have to write out the whole list - But the countries that I am talking about are - all of Europe. all of Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, a few select Eastern European Countries and SE Asian Countries - NO China and Russia. Perhaps 1.5 - 2 Billion in total population (did a google check and they say the total G20 pop. is 4billion+).


Why did you zero in on the numbers and not the key sentiments I expressed in the post - those are they same regardless of the numbers and the key detail?

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And the HUGE driving force behind that? MADD. They crushed it (as women do when they decide to get together for a cause). Problem here seems to be some morans are very vocal on the other side. .

You don't really believe that do you?


What. That they could pass a resolution removing the procedural step with a simple majority, then pass any bill they want with a simple majority. Yes I believe the truth.

But hey I guess 18 kids died yesterday so some old white liberal men can keep the right to block GOP majority legislation in the future.

Please tell us you are not that ill-informed.


About what?

Cavechild uses the massacre of children as yet another opportunity to troll.

Nutjob uses the massacre of children as yet another opportunity to distance themself from reality.

Probably not until some high up Republican politician's child becomes one of the victims.

He isn't, he is just trying to trigger the libs. Reasonable people know that it is not Democrats standing in the way of gun safety regulations.

Stop voting for republicans

There is a democratic president and plenty of democratic states. What is stopping the change in those circumstances?

The senate. You need a 60 votes to pass. In this case all 40+ the no votes are of the same party.

the strange thing to me is that in the US instead of talking about prevention of gun violence (ie stricter procurement requirements) the talk is about reactive actions (ie more guns in more hands). This is like saying let's let illness go and work on curing it rather than preventing it..... to me this is the tail wagging the dog. You are never going to completely stop all gun violence but it can be reduced and the evidence is in other countries with more strict gun acquisition regulations.