This is a fascinating take.

Are today's young people troubled because:

1) of actual fear of things actually getting worse for today's young people?

Or

2) because of fear of things that appear to be getting worse (from fear porn, etc.), but actually in reality things are just dandy?




I ask this because I had a very politically conservative graduating HS senior boy neighbor (whose parents are also both far right conservatives) tell me last year that he thought that the world had 10 decent years left, and after that things were gonna go to hell because of global warming.

When I heard him say that, my jaw nearly hit the ground ...

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It's unbelievable that anyone would think doing the same thing we've been doing is the right solution.

It's not the guns, it's the interests pushing the guns, and the interests radicalizing people. Attack them, defend the children. Both of these are achieve by "effective accountable executive branch government" which is my solution for the moment to this problem. Legislative branch government is completely broken.

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I am being completely serious. The problem is that you have malware installed on your operating system that conflates competence with military porn. They are not the same.

Pretend we're talking about football play diagrams.

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

So what's to stop someone waiting for recess or school getting out and doing the shoot em up? I don't want to see it happen, but you seem to be under the illusion that locked doors are an impediment. If there are windows, then there will always be a line of sight with a shooter.

I don't want to see any of it happen, but in reality most security measures are theater.

Yes. This is both strategy (decision to use the same things) and tactics (arrangement of resources in space and time).

Also could be framed as ways and means.

What to do and how to do it.

Etc.

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I'm really questioning everybody's motivations and reading comprehension. I'm advocating for using time and space instead of guns and ammo to keep our kids safe. Literally a gun-free zone.

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Then you will need multiple security guards to protect open sport fields, which would be very expensive and impractical.

This is the crux of the problem. We live in the real world, and the real world is unforgiving. This is why we have kids play games at school... ritualized combat that are unforgiving like the real world. Ironically we adults are living in a fake social/emotional world where we thing forgiveness is baked in and mistakes don't count or something, and security theater soothes our feelings. That is the only thing I can think of to explain our lack of creativity or sense of urgency.

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I would argue that the target is "kids in classrooms" because these are radicalized terrorists not murderers or criminals, and we are losing 1 unit of "kids in classroom" per massacre, because that's what is fetishized and sexualized and that's what's reinforced by the economy or market in that police have a one classroom massacred response time... nobody fantasizes about being a proficient marksman from a distance engaging kids in a field and people might notice a sniper setting up. They'd all run and scatter. These monsters want to hear the screams and see things up close.

Which sounds horrible but is helpful to us in that we can defend against that, defend the 1 classroom getting massacred, but we can't defend sports fields unless we're doing an area defense which we can't do without background checks, waiting periods, red flags, and a will to monitor and investigate threats.

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What about concealed carry?


How exactly does one concealed carry a rifle?

I feel like I'm asking an 1800s surgeon to wash his hands before surgery... you're absolutely baffled as to why you'd do that.

Yes, you're right the number of guns in our society is WAY too high but it's not THE problem. THE problem is the interests that push guns and radicalize people. They are doing what they do with zero pushback or even recognition. Because of that, there are too many guns and too many radicalized people in America, which now seems to be propagating memetically, or by itself, which could lead to a really horrific society and culture.

My reaction, for the moment, is to control what I can control and perhaps channel resiliency and preparedness and just lock the doors at our schools and make it more difficult to massacre and slaughter our babies. Removing guns from our society is a supra-national extra-political problem that's not achievable by a local school board and won't come to pass for 100 years at this rate. My solution is to do something we can do now, for free, based on the realities at play.

Realize what's the target, realize who the actors are, lock the fucking doors, reduce the police response time, save the 1 classroom that is getting slaughtered by reducing the N to 0.

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Cruz mentioned this today during his rant on Fox, one entrance/exit. So guess we will just let the kids burn if there is a fire or be sitting ducks if the shooter(s) get past the guard. Jez...................

I can't tell if you're actually serious.

Why do you question this comment and not the suggestion that we "harden" schools? Single entrance schools are a terrible idea for a number of reasons. Not only safety (fire, stampede, etc) but for logistical reasons as well. Schools are busy places and one entrance would be a nightmare to deal with.

Crus is an idiot, and so is one entrance.

The idea is to shrink the threat surface such that the schools resources link up with the police’s.

This is not a commentary about politics or gun control, just closing things that close, locking things that lock.

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They figured out emergency exits for secured doors a long time ago. You may have even seen an alarmed crash door as an emergency exit.

Holy hell, you solved the riddle!!!

Our schools have functioned this way for as long as I can remember.

It still makes no sense to me to design schools to accommodate murderers. But whatever man, you can have your fantasy.

The NRA did come up with a solution here of how to build schools. The answer, and this may shock you, was basically a prison. No windows, no trees or bushes (if you had to have bushes make them thorny), fences that demonstrate "territorial ownership", no parking lots, etc.

I am sure kids would love going to school in a prison.

But on the plus side the NRA was generously providing this advice for free. So that is nice.

Maybe we can rename them triangle shirtwaist elementary?

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I have 2 kids in public school, and a third that’ll go. We couldn’t afford ventilators in a global airborne pandemic, can’t afford enough teachers, can’t afford basic supplies. The idea that we’ll find funds to hire highly effective security guards and “harden” our schools (subtly, you understand, not like a prison), is laughable. It will never happen. Even if it did, 2 or 3 LEOs engaged this shooter and couldn’t stop him accessing the school. As many other instances have show, even if there is a good (and very brave, you often don’t get both) guy with a gun he’s often ineffective. Passing gun control legislation is highly unlikely, having a surfeit of funds in public education budgets is even less likely.

But this is my bigger point. I don’t want hardened schools. I don’t want bullet proof glass even if it’s indistinguishable from regular glass. I don’t want armed guards even if the kids don’t see them. I flat don’t want to live in a society where defending myself and my children from potential acts of mass murder becomes a rational thing to think about and invest resources in, beyond the sort of precautions I take to avoid getting hit by lightning.

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Each of those things you listed is a direct reduction in freedoms to each and every American that not only attends school, but also goes to grocery stores, churches, festivals, concerts, etc. Making accomodations in our infrastructure for murderers when we won't pass very basic and effective gun control measures makes us less free. Living without constant threat of deadly violence makes us more free.

Look, I know you have a bit of a hard on for this magical solution, but the reality is that an 18 year old kid with a hidden gun and an intent to kill is still going to find his way into a school, and sometimes they are actually students doing the shooting. What you propose would be prohibitively costly and barely make a difference, if at all. It might also not meet fire safety codes.

Thank you, that was well put and I couldnt agree more.

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A lot of schools, maybe even most schools were designed decades if not centuries ago. The last thing on their mind was security, some might not even have had locks if you go back far enough.

The high school I went to was designed in the 1950's. It would be almost impossible to turn into a prison. The campus is laid out like a college campus, with many one story buildings spread out over acres of land. There are gigantic windows right next to the doors. You can look right in.

It would probably cost tens of millions to secure all the schools in my hometown district like some have suggested. It's just not reality.