All we ever hear from politicians are, "thoughts and prayers".

Is there any line that can be crossed where gun control/removal will ever be seriously discussed?

I naively thought a couple times things might change. Now I'm more cynical and can't see anything changing in the foreseeable future. What will it take or will there never be a change in the US?[/quote

almost a decade after Sandyhook, nothing has changed... nothing will change, America has accepted this as status quo.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

What are the unintended consequences to the 99.99999% of gun owners who never commit acts of violence with a firearm?

Maybe I wasn't clear, but I do believe there would be incredible amounts of violence against law enforcement (or the military) or whomever would be actually going door to door to confiscate guns in America. Law enforcement of some sort would be walking into literally millions of ambush scenarios and would face a pretty incredible armed resistance from non compliant citizens.

Nice catch, Einstein.

A democracy is a country where the will of the people is expressed through its laws. The vast majority of Americans support common sense gun laws. It silly that you think a constitutional amendment is necessary for common sense gun laws. It’s silly that you think threats of violence from the gun-loving criminals is a valid argument against common sense gun laws.

What other pretend hurdle is there in the way of gun law reform? Our hands are tied and we have to accept gun deaths because…?

It’s the GOP and gun-loving culture. Fuck that bullshit.

If a person votes for a 2A candidate, then that person is voting for gun violence. Firearms became the leading cause of death among children and teenagers in the United States in 2020, according to new research using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The finding comes after a record 45,222 people died from firearm-related injuries in 2020 in the U.S., according to a letter published in the New England Journal of Medicine. Most of the deaths were from firearm homicide. https://www.usatoday.com/...ens-2020/7432860001/

Our hands are not tied. We have to vote the bullshit gun-nuts out.

Chip every gun. Provide school and LE the ability to disable any gun at anytime.

The vast majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by the white conservative terrorists. I don’t know what rot exists in that culture but I think we should be honest that it exists.it needs to be rooted out within.

What kind of controls exactly? Would they have helped in this case?

What are the unintended consequences to the 99.99999% of gun owners who never commit acts of violence with a firearm?

Assume that you can look at the issue with genuine interest in reform without obliterating the rights of those who don't share your view/bias.

There isn't a solution that will ensure responsible gun owners aren't adversely affected. In Australia we have strict gun laws since the Port Arthur massacre 25 years ago. I'm not sure what the laws are specifically, but they are very strict and certainly high powered, automatic military grade guns are banned. I think the perpetrator used an SLR and AR-15. Weapons like these are not legal in Australia. If the US adopted similar laws, this would mean responsible gun owners are affected. But it's probably what needs to happen. It would be extremely difficult for me to get my hands on any kind of gun, even a small handgun, legally or illegally in Australia. Shouldn't that be the case in the US? Can you not fire guns at gun clubs? The owners have to leave their weapons there?

What would you like to see done? Specifically.

How would you disarm America?

Would any guns be "allowed"?

Do you believe that plan is feasible?

Do you think Americans will give up their guns?

Would it provoke some degree of American civil war if the government attempts to take away the guns with force?

Obviously, wishing away guns or violence isn't going to do anything, and you'd have to alter the US Constitution which seems unlikely but it's certainly happened before.

How does one "chip every gun"?

They're not electronic devices. They're not wifi enabled. This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet.

It's hard to have an honest conversation with someone who evidently has near zero understanding of the thing they're trying to regulate.

What kind of controls exactly? Would they have helped in this case?

What are the unintended consequences to the 99.99999% of gun owners who never commit acts of violence with a firearm?

Assume that you can look at the issue with genuine interest in reform without obliterating the rights of those who don't share your view/bias.

I'd google the guy but I don't want to give the pathetic cunt the satisfaction/notoriety that he obviously sought.

The only reference to the actual gun(s) I've seen said "a handgun and possibly a rifle".

99% of people aren't reckless drivers, but we make people register vehicles and get licensed.

Does it stop accidents or people from getting killed? No.

Does it prevent mayhem and many people from dying needlessly? Yes.

The don’t have a conversation. The ability to not reply isn’t hard. But you needed to insult me so I suppose that makes not replying an impossibility for you.

For those who are serious about this, it is entirely possible to chip a gun. Smart guns certainly exist.

And while there would be plenty of nonchipped guns out there I am willing to bet that the weapons used today were purchased after Sandy hook.

Do you think banning guns will make illegal guns go away?

Do you believe the government should be able to take the right to own something away for any item if a few misuse it to cause harm to others or self?

Lots of people drive without license, registration or insurance....despite the fact that it's illegal.

There are also some states that actually have no license or registration requirements and also have some of the lowest deaths per capita by firearm in the US.

Do you think banning guns will make illegal guns go away?

My memory is hazy, but didn’t Obama essentially put all his chips on getting Obamacare passed? Immigration and/or gun reform at that time simultaneously with the ACA would have been impossible.

How about starting with having to be 21 to buy a gun?

And part of the problem with guns in this country is the sheer number and availability of them. Sure, most are owned by law abiding citizens, and they don’t use them to kill people, but the easy availability and large quantities of guns means our rates of gun deaths are far above those of other western countries. As Zed says about Australia, he can no longer buy an AR-15, but look at the consequences in terms of far fewer gun deaths. Or is it so important that he should be allowed to buy an AR-15 so he can shoot some tin cans at the weekend that Australians should tolerate mass shootings? Because that seems to be the crux of your argument for gun ownership here in the US.