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Is this normal?
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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Cases per capita

1 - North Dakota
2 - Alaska
4 - Wyoming
5 - South Dakota
6 - Utah
9 - Montana

How else in states where there is little choice but to be socially distanced and there was plenty of warning it was coming can you manage to give everyone COVID?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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The dude in chair doesn't look like he's being forced. He's presenting his arm, and holding up his own sleeve. And the woman has a gentle aura about her. They should have made a graphic with the dude in restraints of some kind and a muscular thug doing a one armed MMA submission hold and a monster syringe in the other hand. No mixed messages. Go big.
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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People who work in healthcare that reject medical science should be fired anyway.

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Tri-ing to have fun. Anything else is just a bonus!
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Re: Is this normal? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
Cases per capita

1 - North Dakota
2 - Alaska
4 - Wyoming
5 - South Dakota
6 - Utah
9 - Montana

How else in states where there is little choice but to be socially distanced and there was plenty of warning it was coming can you manage to give everyone COVID?


In those states, people have to drive 90 miles to give each other Covid. But they do it!

Sidney, the town of the AG’s legal presentation to healthcare workers who want to avoid complying with the federal law and their employer’s requirements, is a shithole.

I flew there in flimsy little plane to take the deposition of a boy who had repeatedly raped his sister and then sued her teacher (who was a mandated reporter) for defamation. I had to ask him during the deposition about his sexual assault of his sister. As we left, my client said, “You really made him sweat!”

I was like, “It’s me!” I was bigly pregnant and using all-natural, aluminum-free deodorant that did not work.

He had been in juvenile detention and was already out when we did the deposition. Last I heard, the girl had attempted suicide and was in the state mental hospital.

The attorney representing the boy was piece of work. She was like, “he’s served his time. The teacher shouldn’t talk about it.” It was the truth, though. My client had every right to tell the truth. Holy shit. I know I’ve told this story before. That case was traumatizing. That town is traumatizing.

Sorry for traumatizing you.
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Re: Is this normal? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
The dude in chair doesn't look like he's being forced. He's presenting his arm, and holding up his own sleeve. And the woman has a gentle aura about her. They should have made a graphic with the dude in restraints of some kind and a muscular thug doing a one armed MMA submission hold and a monster syringe in the other hand. No mixed messages. Go big.

Agree. That’s the AG’s incompetence. AGAIN.
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Re: Is this normal? [Tri2HaveFun] [ In reply to ]
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Tri2HaveFun wrote:
People who work in healthcare that reject medical science should be fired anyway.

It’s kind of like we’re separating the wheat from the chaff.
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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The attorney representing the boy was piece of work. She was like, “he’s served his time. The teacher shouldn’t talk about it.” It was the truth, though. My client had every right to tell the truth. Holy shit. I know I’ve told this story before. That case was traumatizing. That town is traumatizing.

Though my moral compass agrees whole heartedly, and assuming the perp was a minor, aren't there some sort of protections put in place to stop minor offenders' (minor in age, not severity) details being published on the basis that whatever they did as a minor should not impact their adult life?

The fact this totally ignores the rights of (and impacts on) the victim does not escape me in the slightest. I was just curious whether this was the basis for the suit.
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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My sister in law said they lost a great employee who didn’t want to get the shot. She told me that employee now took a state job that said she doesn’t need the shot. Lol

Talk about ridiculousness.

I understand both sides, but in the end, companies who truly want vaccinated employees need to just say the requirement to work here is to be vaccinated and quit side-stepping. Call the bluff and let employees walk.

Or, don’t try and make it a rule. One or the other.
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Re: Is this normal? [mv2005] [ In reply to ]
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The boy’s criminal case was sealed, but the people in town who knew about it didn’t have an obligation to be silent. In fact, my client had a statutory duty to report it. I think there was gossip. And then the boy starting lying about my client. And so she told the truth to defend herself.

The boy’s civil case alleged defamation and maybe IIED/NIED, which is stupid. I can understand that he would want it to be a secret. But his attorney did not help him. The civil case wasn’t sealed. He bragged that his case would win him a lot money. I’m not sure if it could have been handled worse.
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Re: Is this normal? [Tri2HaveFun] [ In reply to ]
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Tri2HaveFun wrote:
People who work in healthcare that reject medical science should be fired anyway.

No, you have it backwards. Those folks are just the ones in the know who get it. It's just proof that the medical establishment is out to get you with these vaccinations and these folks on the inside know it.
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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No but places like Holland and Germany have something like 60 percent vaccination rates. In our church everyone is following the rules and almost everyone is vaccinated. Our minister made somebody leave service the other day because they were not wearing a mask. Our minister also volunteers at local vaccination clinic. We are baffled by the anti vaxxers. 1 Peter 2:13, Romans 13:1

They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

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The dude in chair doesn't look like he's being forced. He's presenting his arm, and holding up his own sleeve. And the woman has a gentle aura about her. They should have made a graphic with the dude in restraints of some kind and a muscular thug doing a one armed MMA submission hold and a monster syringe in the other hand. No mixed messages. Go big.


You forgot to include they're both masked, no way wearing those inhibitors of freedumb was voluntary.

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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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Fun Fact: No government in the US is forcing anyone to get a vaccine.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Is this normal? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
Fun Fact: No government in the US is forcing anyone to get a vaccine.

So this AG has both the facts and law wrong. At least he’s consistent.
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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Here’s a news story about press access to the event.

https://dailymontanan.com/...ney-on-monday-night/
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Re: Is this normal? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
Fun Fact: No government in the US is forcing anyone to get a vaccine.

I would argue the Federal Government comes pretty close w/r/t the military - they can't quit. Otherwise you're of course right.



"Are you sure we're going fast enough?" - Emil Zatopek
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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It's just so strange given that to get the job in the first place they probably had to have a whole raft of vaccinations.
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Re: Is this normal? [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
It's just so strange given that to get the job in the first place they probably had to have a whole raft of vaccinations.

Yeah, but that was before vaccinations became a political issue.
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Re: Is this normal? [spockman] [ In reply to ]
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spockman wrote:
No but places like Holland and Germany have something like 60 percent vaccination rates.

To be precise it's 68.5 % of the total population (79.1 % of adults; 86.1 % of the 60+ age group) for Germany, and 72.6 % of the total population (84.9 % of adults; >90 % of the 60+ age group) for the Netherlands. Although I fail to see the point you're trying to make in the context of this thread?

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In our church everyone is following the rules and almost everyone is vaccinated. Our minister made somebody leave service the other day because they were not wearing a mask. Our minister also volunteers at local vaccination clinic. We are baffled by the anti vaxxers. 1 Peter 2:13, Romans 13:1

Well you have that going for you, which is nice.
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Re: Is this normal? [Bretom] [ In reply to ]
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Bretom wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Fun Fact: No government in the US is forcing anyone to get a vaccine.

I would argue the Federal Government comes pretty close w/r/t the military - they can't quit. Otherwise you're of course right.

Yes I thought about that but everyone knows or aught to know that vaccines are given to you if you join the military.

So I would say it’s close but really, you should have known before you joined that they would make get vaccines if you do join.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Is this normal? [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
It's just so strange given that to get the job in the first place they probably had to have a whole raft of vaccinations.


Yeah, but that was before vaccinations became a political issue.

I'd just love to hear the evidence for why this vaccination is different from the rest. Don't many if not most medical places require the flu vaccine too? Is that now off the table too?
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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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This is the new normal. Law, health science and tyranny to be discussed in the Church hall with restrictions placed on who can come to object or to get indoctrinated. I would guess there wasn't an vaccination booth set up in the foyer to the hall.

Where is Sidney and how did it go?
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Re: Is this normal? [malte] [ In reply to ]
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malte wrote:
spockman wrote:
No but places like Holland and Germany have something like 60 percent vaccination rates.


To be precise it's 68.5 % of the total population (79.1 % of adults; 86.1 % of the 60+ age group) for Germany, and 72.6 % of the total population (84.9 % of adults; >90 % of the 60+ age group) for the Netherlands. Although I fail to see the point you're trying to make in the context of this thread?

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In our church everyone is following the rules and almost everyone is vaccinated. Our minister made somebody leave service the other day because they were not wearing a mask. Our minister also volunteers at local vaccination clinic. We are baffled by the anti vaxxers. 1 Peter 2:13, Romans 13:1


Well you have that going for you, which is nice.

The point is there are all sorts of reasons people are not getting vaccinations. In our community of 50K with likely 50 churches as far as I can see there are only a small minority that have significant number who are stridently anti vaxxers.

They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

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Re: Is this normal? [CallMeMaybe] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure how this relates to normality at this point as the times we are living are abnormal to begin with. I do think that certain churches have taken a curious posture against vaccination in many different denominations. For example:


Catholic Priest Fr. Ed Meeks of Towson, MD said in his sermon this past week that vaccine mandates are contrary to the teachings of Jesus: “No earthly king or president or public health official .. gets to dictate what we put into our body, into these temples of the Holy Spirit.”

https://twitter.com/.../1465295228412305409


Vaccination as the enemy at the gates. Odd to me.
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