Cases per capita

1 - North Dakota
2 - Alaska
4 - Wyoming
5 - South Dakota
6 - Utah
9 - Montana

How else in states where there is little choice but to be socially distanced and there was plenty of warning it was coming can you manage to give everyone COVID?

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The dude in chair doesn't look like he's being forced. He's presenting his arm, and holding up his own sleeve. And the woman has a gentle aura about her. They should have made a graphic with the dude in restraints of some kind and a muscular thug doing a one armed MMA submission hold and a monster syringe in the other hand. No mixed messages. Go big.

People who work in healthcare that reject medical science should be fired anyway.

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Tri-ing to have fun. Anything else is just a bonus!

In those states, people have to drive 90 miles to give each other Covid. But they do it!

Sidney, the town of the AG’s legal presentation to healthcare workers who want to avoid complying with the federal law and their employer’s requirements, is a shithole.

I flew there in flimsy little plane to take the deposition of a boy who had repeatedly raped his sister and then sued her teacher (who was a mandated reporter) for defamation. I had to ask him during the deposition about his sexual assault of his sister. As we left, my client said, “You really made him sweat!”

I was like, “It’s me!” I was bigly pregnant and using all-natural, aluminum-free deodorant that did not work.

He had been in juvenile detention and was already out when we did the deposition. Last I heard, the girl had attempted suicide and was in the state mental hospital.

The attorney representing the boy was piece of work. She was like, “he’s served his time. The teacher shouldn’t talk about it.” It was the truth, though. My client had every right to tell the truth. Holy shit. I know I’ve told this story before. That case was traumatizing. That town is traumatizing.

Sorry for traumatizing you.

Agree. That’s the AG’s incompetence. AGAIN.

It’s kind of like we’re separating the wheat from the chaff.

Though my moral compass agrees whole heartedly, and assuming the perp was a minor, aren't there some sort of protections put in place to stop minor offenders' (minor in age, not severity) details being published on the basis that whatever they did as a minor should not impact their adult life?

The fact this totally ignores the rights of (and impacts on) the victim does not escape me in the slightest. I was just curious whether this was the basis for the suit.

My sister in law said they lost a great employee who didn’t want to get the shot. She told me that employee now took a state job that said she doesn’t need the shot. Lol

Talk about ridiculousness.

I understand both sides, but in the end, companies who truly want vaccinated employees need to just say the requirement to work here is to be vaccinated and quit side-stepping. Call the bluff and let employees walk.

Or, don’t try and make it a rule. One or the other.

The boy’s criminal case was sealed, but the people in town who knew about it didn’t have an obligation to be silent. In fact, my client had a statutory duty to report it. I think there was gossip. And then the boy starting lying about my client. And so she told the truth to defend herself.

The boy’s civil case alleged defamation and maybe IIED/NIED, which is stupid. I can understand that he would want it to be a secret. But his attorney did not help him. The civil case wasn’t sealed. He bragged that his case would win him a lot money. I’m not sure if it could have been handled worse.

No, you have it backwards. Those folks are just the ones in the know who get it. It's just proof that the medical establishment is out to get you with these vaccinations and these folks on the inside know it.

No but places like Holland and Germany have something like 60 percent vaccination rates. In our church everyone is following the rules and almost everyone is vaccinated. Our minister made somebody leave service the other day because they were not wearing a mask. Our minister also volunteers at local vaccination clinic. We are baffled by the anti vaxxers. 1 Peter 2:13, Romans 13:1

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You forgot to include they're both masked, no way wearing those inhibitors of freedumb was voluntary.

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Fun Fact: No government in the US is forcing anyone to get a vaccine.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

So this AG has both the facts and law wrong. At least he’s consistent.

Here’s a news story about press access to the event.

https://dailymontanan.com/...ney-on-monday-night/

I would argue the Federal Government comes pretty close w/r/t the military - they can't quit. Otherwise you're of course right.

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It's just so strange given that to get the job in the first place they probably had to have a whole raft of vaccinations.

Yeah, but that was before vaccinations became a political issue.

To be precise it's 68.5 % of the total population (79.1 % of adults; 86.1 % of the 60+ age group) for Germany, and 72.6 % of the total population (84.9 % of adults; >90 % of the 60+ age group) for the Netherlands. Although I fail to see the point you're trying to make in the context of this thread?


Well you have that going for you, which is nice.

Yes I thought about that but everyone knows or aught to know that vaccines are given to you if you join the military.

So I would say it’s close but really, you should have known before you joined that they would make get vaccines if you do join.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I'd just love to hear the evidence for why this vaccination is different from the rest. Don't many if not most medical places require the flu vaccine too? Is that now off the table too?

This is the new normal. Law, health science and tyranny to be discussed in the Church hall with restrictions placed on who can come to object or to get indoctrinated. I would guess there wasn't an vaccination booth set up in the foyer to the hall.

Where is Sidney and how did it go?

The point is there are all sorts of reasons people are not getting vaccinations. In our community of 50K with likely 50 churches as far as I can see there are only a small minority that have significant number who are stridently anti vaxxers.

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Not sure how this relates to normality at this point as the times we are living are abnormal to begin with. I do think that certain churches have taken a curious posture against vaccination in many different denominations. For example:


Catholic Priest Fr. Ed Meeks of Towson, MD said in his sermon this past week that vaccine mandates are contrary to the teachings of Jesus: “No earthly king or president or public health official .. gets to dictate what we put into our body, into these temples of the Holy Spirit.”

https://twitter.com/.../1465295228412305409


Vaccination as the enemy at the gates. Odd to me.

If your point is that not all churches push an anti-vaxx agenda, I'll certainly agree. I still can't see how vaccination rates in Germany and Holland are good evidence to make that point, though, and there's certainly no denying that _certain_ churches play a very active and vocal role in pushing the anti-vaxx message.

Though it's still in the works, and left to the discretion of each branch of military, my understanding is the services are leaning towards an honorable discharge for those who don't get vaccinated - even though the legal alternatives go as far as a court martial. So that's pretty close to letting them quit.

Though I agree it's somewhere on the spectrum of coercive action. Not what I'd call "force," though.

Probably separated by a General discharge under honorable conditions. There is a distinction to be made there without so much of a negative consequence. Not a clean slate Honorable discharge nor a Bad conduct discharge. Back when homosexuality was a separation qualifier we would process them out with a General under honorable conditions discharge certificate.

I couldn't find the other military.com article I was reading yesterday you are correct they say that is likely what will happen - honorable discharge. They aren't letting them get promotions or receive new orders (duty stations) if unvaxxed. But overall their #'s look pretty good.

>In a memo to the force, Army Secretary Christine Wormuth said soldiers would not be dismissed from the service, but >their records would be "flagged," signaling that they are non-promotable.

https://www.military.com/...gainst-covid-19.html

Question for you:

Prior to 2020, if a random army, navy, usaf, marine corps, uscg enlisted recruit, already in boot camp on shot day, refused all of his shots, what would have happened to him ?

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This guy who hosted the AG’s anti-vaxx meeting is JD Hall. He’s a HUGE asshole. In 2020, he wanted to run a snitches-get-stitches program to identify people who complained about businesses that weren’t complying with mandated Covid safety measures. He called it the “Bad Neighbors Project.”

He has a pretty bad history.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...-doxx-covid-snitches

I have found a 22 page pdf that is very informative of the military recruits and vaccinations and the current USMC directive on dealing with vaccinations. The anthrax vaccinations for the first gulf war appears to be the first problematic vaccine. To your question I have no personal knowledge and am finding it hard to come up with documentation of policy that addresses how to separate the recruit who refuses to vaccinate without either medical or religious waiver, My guess is that refusals were handled similarly to physical qualification failures and simply let go without punishment. Back in 1970 I had no idea during my entrance physical exam why I was getting jabbed and for what. One simply lined up with the others with rolled up sleeves.

https://ke.army.mil/...medicine/RM-ch12.pdf

below is current USMC guidance on the subject

https://www.marines.mil/...-marine-corps-activ/