This popped up in my feed today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQKTBd_qH78&ab_channel=GoodMorningAmerica

Thank you and Spudone for posting. Interesting indeed.

As I am aware, I'm a little biased, and far from an expert to determine what I think caused this. Nevertheless, I do not believe this particular case was circumstantial. But, more importantly a pediatric cardiologist at a well respected teaching hospital also did not believe this to be circumstantial.

He's still deciding to just stay low-key on this issue and not get involved. He does not want the stress that would be associated with any advocacy.

He is doing well. His first follow-up with his cardiologist is this week. He's met with his primary once. He still complains of minor pain/discomfort this far removed from the event.

Right now, he is just trying to catch up with two weeks of missed school work. Although the entire school has been supportive, work still needs to get done.

He's also trying to trust his body again. As we were advised, this might be one of the biggest obstacles for him to overcome. We are walking each night just a little - just watched the sunset in fact.

I'm thankful for both the private messages and well wishes/advice in the thread. you've all been spot on with your advice and allowing my wife and I to be just ahead of the curve and have an idea of what might come.

OK, you guys got me curious. Some real numbers from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS):

There are reportedly 104 children age 0-17 who died from COVID-19 and 287 from COVID + Influenza from Dec 2020 to May 2021 (total 0-17 in the US is 72 million?).

In VAERS, there are 8 children (0-17) reported with Myocarditis/Pericarditis after COVID vaccination (a total of 288 cases for all AG).

Hmm, that really makes me scratch my head a little.... but 8 so far (we just started vaccinating age 0-17) is just too many for my taste.
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5 million 12--17 year old children have been given the vaccine. Per NBS reporting the number of Myocarditis cases is normal.

. https://www.nbcchicago.com/...s-explained/2517513/

“What’s important to know and to recognize is that the rates that we’re seeing of myocarditis are no higher than what we would experience normally,” Dr. Ted O’Connell told NBC San Diego. “So, we don’t know if it’s associated with the vaccine or not.”

Yeah, whatever. I am certainly going to blindly trust the re-assurance of some news outlet and a TV doctor, when I have access to the actual data and can do my own analyses.

But agreed, for most, "News' is as good as gold or actual data.
Even if the good doctor states he doesn't know.

I agree with him about that he and we don't know.
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From my inbox today---with continued bombardment of data...the weekly DPH update:

the key comment was 'no safety signal' yet-meaning, that the number of cases of myocarditis are not out of the norm and at this point, do not seem to be potentially associated with vaccinations, but we are all advised to continue to keep track and report to VAERS.

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Updates
CDC investigating possible rare heart inflammation side effects from mRNA COVID-19 vaccination among young people
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) are investigating a small number of cases of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining around the heart) among adolescents and young adults who received an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna). There is no similar trend among those who received the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. CDC is still investigating whether these rare instances are related to the vaccine.
The cases were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Most of the cases occurred among male adolescents and young adults 16 years of age and older. Symptom onset was typically within four days after the vaccination and occurred more often after the second dose than the first dose. Severity of symptoms varied. Most of the people who received medical care have responded well to medications and rest.
The CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for people 12 years of age and older to prevent serious or fatal complications related to COVID-19.
Clinical Actions

1. Maintain a high index of suspicion for myocarditis and pericarditis symptoms in patients who may have recently received an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, especially in adolescents and young adults 16 years of age and older. Symptoms of these conditions may include:

· acute chest pain
· shortness of breath
· palpitations

Coronary events are less likely to cause these symptoms in male adolescents and young adults 16 years of age and older.

1. If these symptoms present, ask for:

· COVID-19 vaccinations history
· Relevant medical, travel, and social history

1. For patients with myocarditis and pericarditis symptoms who received the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine, consider obtaining an ECG, troponin level, and inflammatory markers such as C-reactive protein and erythrocyte sedimentation rate as part of the initial evaluation. In the setting of normal ECG, troponin, and inflammatory markers, myocarditis or pericarditis are unlikely.

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More Information

• CDC COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Myocarditis Clinical Considerations
• NIH Materials on Myocarditis and Pericarditis
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• Frequently asked questions about VAERS reporting for COVID-19 vaccines VAERS – FAQs

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Got another update---will keep you posted if things change...

https://www.cdc.gov/...ety/myocarditis.html

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/.../04/peds.2021-052478

Still watching...(took a while to find this thread...the LR is deep and scary...I don't really belong here...)

Thank you for those. Thought this would be a good time for an update.

That CDC information is pretty spot on for our issue. Interesting to see that it is not just limited to Pfizer - it seems both the mRNA types are being reviewed.

Although very scary at the time, there really was not that much 'care' involved. Yes, some pretty heavy duty pain meds (that brought their own sense of worry to introduce to a 17 yr old thrill seeker) But the inflation was never treated with anything more than standard NSAIDs.

A few follow-up appointments have taken place. We have another very shortly with the cardiologist that originally saw him. So far, all seems OK with his heart. There are no lingering issues, he is no longer experiencing any pain, and has been progressing with slight increases to cardio activities nicely.

Unfortunately for him, that means a partial return to chores. He has been back on dish duty, garbage duty, and carrying groceries. Still has a break from pushing the lawn mower and raking.

But, the good news - since he was fully vaccinated - he went to Prom. Stayed off the dance floor and decided to skip 'post prom' as he did not trust himself to not engage in so many of the great activities with his friends.

As stated, even with our experience we are fully supportive of vaccines and believe this particular vaccine itself to be safe. In fact, our daughter will receive her second dose shortly. I maintain a very simplistic and layman's stance that the issue stems from my son's immune response to the vaccine - not the vaccine itself. I'd trust that CDC is looking into the common characteristics (other than age/gender) of the cohort being reported.

We're monitoring closely the issue with boosters - as this will likely be our next issue down the road.

A final note, I had thought I stated this a little more clearly in an earlier post. In re-reading the thread, I don't think it's all that clear. I'll try again. Technically he did not have a 'heart attack'. The ER labeled this as such at the onset but, that is not there specialty. They are rural ER unit looking forward to re-attaching lost digits and limbs from farming accidents and perhaps this was stated to generate the need for expediency in transferring him somewhere. We continued to use the term as most non-medical persons can then have a very good idea of what took place. Technically, the thread title - and that CDC description are accurate descriptions of his 'case'. The inflammation of the heart muscle (which caused the irregular heart beat/low volume, elevated enzyme issues) and an inflammation to the outer lining of the heart (which was the major cause of the pain.) Sorry, if this caused any confusion.

Thanks again to the LR for shepherding a parent through a scary time.

Glad to see that everything is going well!

''Unfortunately for him, that means a partial return to chores. He has been back on dish duty, garbage duty, and carrying groceries. Still has a break from pushing the lawn mower and raking.''

Good for you! Most of the kids around here on Long Island wouldn't know what any of those are!!

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so happy to hear a good update!

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This article from the CDC seems relevant.

Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines -U.S. CDC (aol.com)



As an adult I was vaccinated but I won't let my kids get vaccinated yet. These articles are not making feel at ease about having them vaccinated in the future either.

I am not asking this in a flip manner or trying to minimize this issue... do we know if any children have died from this? Or is it simply pain and hospital visits (not that either is fun or "simple").

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Germany's standing commission on vaccination (STIKO) has just (Bulletin 23/2021, 10th of June) recommend to not generally vaccinate children 12-17 at this point in time (unless a pre-existing condition would warrant protection at all cost).

The reason being for not having enough conclusive data available to make a comprehensive risk assessment and recommendation.
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Just FYI.
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Interesting. Do you happen to have a link to this announcement?

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Sure, hope your German is decent, but is all over the international press/news already:

https://www.rki.de/.../2021/23/Art_01.html

Good lord. That is not good news. A major country today now saying kids should not get vaccinated unless a pre-existing condition. That should be all over the news tonight.

I posted something similar, and agree with it. But deleted it because I think we should respect the OP and leave this thread to be about his son and not a vaccine squabble.

I'm fine having the squabble in another thread.

That’s a very fair point. I’ll delete my answer.

Trail: thanks - but this IS the LR, I'm all for squabbling. squabbling = knowledge

Francois: there was no real reason to delete a fact based post. you are correct - this is an extremely rare occurrence. Although I trust the medical professional who made the statement in our case - we are not 100% sure this event was caused by the second vaccine shot - we'll never be certain of that.

BLEP: There are people better qualified than I to respond - my understanding is zero deaths because of this due to the Vaccine. It's a 'mild case' from their vantage point and a few day hospital visit - just as we experienced. I will say that our vantage point of 'mild case' is still rather scary. However, I also understand that if this issue is caused by the virus, the chances of this not being a 'mild case' are higher and the treatment regimes are more complex/aggressive and long term negative outcomes are more prevalent. In other words, deal with the issue from the vaccine and not the virus.

SDG: Not sure that should be the take away from this thread. As stated by the various medical experts - and they ARE experts on this forum. The likelihood of a negative reaction to the vaccine is very, very, small. I'll assume you found your way here to the LR via that 'other' forum. So, I can also assume that life-long fitness is exceptionally important to you and something that you would wish for your children. My biggest fear for my children was the 'long haul' variant and reading about those that have lost the ability to exercise and enjoy life as they once knew it. Given the choice of my son being in the hospital for 4 days and skipping this track season out an abundance of caution - or having him contract COVID and perhaps be a long-hauler, I'll take the brief, but scary, hospital visit every single time. As an FYI - my son will to.

As for the German announcement - from my reading of the bulletin and understanding from relatives I agree with Spudone - again no need to apologize. My 83-yr-old MIL just received her first dose a little over two weeks ago and not for the lack of her not wanting to be vaccinated.

 
This is great. I currently have a patient who is on heart transplant list because of viral myocarditis. 28 years old. Not from Covid it occurred prior to covid being a thing like in early 2019. I have no idea how the smart people sort out baseline cases of viral myocarditis vs those caused by vaccination. All the cases of viral myocarditis my pts have had (not many) over the years (30) I cannot remember the specific virus being identified. Glad your sons outcome was much better.

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