I had a weird police interaction over the winter. I was driving on a long, straight highway, and was slightly speeding. 10kph over the limit in cruise control. When I was pulled over the office talked to me with the same tone and aggression as the officer of the bodycam footage. Came up to my window barking "I caught you doing 25 over the limit, hand me your license immediately". It totally took me off guard. I paused as I just didn't know how to respond and said "I wasn't going nearly that fast but let me grab my license" and he immediately upped up the aggression. Within 15 seconds of him approaching my window we were shouting at each other. He was shouting at me for my license, I was shouting over him that I was getting my license. It was chaotic and in that stressful moment I felt like I didn't know how to react, I was giving pause which probably looked to him like hesitation or suspicion, I don't know. I finally put my hands up defensively and said "Sir, sir, I'm handing you my license now. Please just give me my ticket and I will challenge it in court, not here on the side of the road. I know I wasn't doing what you said I was doing".

Luckily that diffused the situation but the situation and how quickly it got out of hand really shocked me. At the conclusion of the stop the officer said "You know, when an officer asks you to do something, you should do it immediately and we could have avoided this situation". What he didn't realize is that, right off the bat he accused me of doing something I wasn't doing and then shouted an order at me. It caused me to question what he said, which caused him to escalate further.

He went on to say that he treated me aggressively because he didn't know if I was dangerous, if I had outstanding warrants, if I was going to run or something. I thought how is that possible. You scan my plates before approaching the car, so you know I have no warrants or criminal record or even outstanding parking tickets. You see a baby seat in the back of the car. You see I'm alone. I turned my vehicle off so I'm clearly not going to try to speed away. This guy was just looking to be a bully.

The way some of these cops behave is shameful.

I wonder if aggression is not taught to the officers.

lf this driver was in fear for his life, and I believe he was, don't think for a second that media narrative didn't play into and exacerbate his fear. I've been harping on this since forever, and this is *exactly* why. If he wasn't acting on irrational fear, he would have complied and we wouldn't have known the traffic stop ever happened.

meanwhile, what does fixin to ride the lightning mean?

taser? or worse

I had a weird police interaction over the winter. I was driving on a long, straight highway, and was slightly speeding. 10kph over the limit in cruise control. When I was pulled over the office talked to me with the same tone and aggression as the officer of the bodycam footage. Came up to my window barking "I caught you doing 25 over the limit, hand me your license immediately". It totally took me off guard. I paused as I just didn't know how to respond and said "I wasn't going nearly that fast but let me grab my license" and he immediately upped up the aggression. Within 15 seconds of him approaching my window we were shouting at each other. He was shouting at me for my license, I was shouting over him that I was getting my license. It was chaotic and in that stressful moment I felt like I didn't know how to react, I was giving pause which probably looked to him like hesitation or suspicion, I don't know. I finally put my hands up defensively and said "Sir, sir, I'm handing you my license now. Please just give me my ticket and I will challenge it in court, not here on the side of the road. I know I wasn't doing what you said I was doing".

Luckily that diffused the situation but the situation and how quickly it got out of hand really shocked me. At the conclusion of the stop the officer said "You know, when an officer asks you to do something, you should do it immediately and we could have avoided this situation". What he didn't realize is that, right off the bat he accused me of doing something I wasn't doing and then shouted an order at me. It caused me to question what he said, which caused him to escalate further.

He went on to say that he treated me aggressively because he didn't know if I was dangerous, if I had outstanding warrants, if I was going to run or something. I thought how is that possible. You scan my plates before approaching the car, so you know I have no warrants or criminal record or even outstanding parking tickets. You see a baby seat in the back of the car. You see I'm alone. I turned my vehicle off so I'm clearly not going to try to speed away. This guy was just looking to be a bully.

The way some of these cops behave is shameful.

Replying to last.

We can debate all day whether their actions were appropriate, whether he could have complied differently, his motivation to behave the way he did, and so on.

What we can't debate is the fact that the cops lied their asses off in the incident report.

My bet is that the department will be writing a check to that motorist and the cops will be disciplined.

I find it interesting that every analysis done on instances of horrible policing, even those with tragic endings, always get sidetracked into what the victim should have done differently.

I think, as has been noted before, that’s because there’s not actually any disagreement in the forum about the actions of the cops. Sure, we could all stand around nodding our heads and agreeing that the cops acted wrongly, but that makes for boring discussion.

I think, as has been noted before, that’s because there’s not actually any disagreement in the forum about the actions of the cops. Sure, we could all stand around nodding our heads and agreeing that the cops acted wrongly, but that makes for boring discussion.

Why would aggression by the cop improve the situation? I would think if anything it would make him more likely to get shot by someone who is on the edge. I don't get it.

I'd think the best strategy would always be to keep the situation calm.

I’d argue the continued employment of unstable and/or morally corrupt LEO’s is exactly what is causing the situation that makes the environment unappealing to the qualified. I do agree it isn’t a simple fix though.

Although the victim looks calm and composed (almost passive aggressive) in that incident, others in the same situation could also be frozen in fear.
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Not sure, but given the locale and situation I would likely have been the adult, complied and exited the vehicle.

I find it interesting that every analysis done on instances of horrible policing, even those with tragic endings, always get sidetracked into what the victim should have done differently.

That fat cop was clearly channeling some of his own personal issues on the victim, his attitude was unprofessional, and he was working hard to demean the lieutenant during the cop's little power trip. I hope the turd is shown a permanent desk job or another line of work.

I'd think that some form of discipline or discontinued employment will be in order for the two LEOs here.