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I like the wall

I said it

Flame me.

Wait, you’re worried about corruption in government and so you prefer Trump?

And yes, Biden is right about masks. If 95% of the country wore masks when not able to fully socially distance, then an estimated 95,000 lives would be saved over the next three months, according to IHME.

See:
https://covid19.healthdata.org/...deaths&tab=trend

So here you are deriding something Biden says as ridiculous when he’s just quoting the experts. But yet you prefer Trump, whose actions have cost thousands of lives, and who lies through his teeth. Unreal, frankly.

I can appreciate that you have a position on immigration even if I disagree with Trump’s approach. Unfortunately only a few new miles of wall have actually been built. The majority of what Trump claims as “wall” is actually repairs and fortifications to existing border fences and barriers. And Mexico definitely hasn’t paid for it. Major campaign promise unfulfilled.

Yes, but he hasn’t built a wall, and even if he had it would be an inefficient and ineffective use of money and resources. He’s replaced some bits of old wall, and used DoD money to do it. And, by the way, the Democratic Party is not in favor of open borders, despite what you may have heard.

If you really want to give Trump credit on this issue, as I’ve done in the past, it’s that he managed to persuade Mexico to better police its own southern border. You might even have been able to claim that Mexico paid for that too. But you missed the mark there.

Not gonna flame, but whatever small successes you see (and the wall is really, really small ;), you are willfully blind to the monumental failures of this presidency. Re-election campaigns are ALWAYS about the incumbent, and this one will go down in history.

Economics - worse than Hoover in 1932
Poor governance - worse than Johnson in 1868
Corruption - worse than Nixon in 1974
Ideological exhaustion - worse than Carter in 1980
Division - Buchanan in 1860 (okay, not worse, the Civil War ensued)
Incompetence - His COVID response is in a catastrophic class of it's own, but could be compared with the way Bush mishandled the Iraq War
Executive Overreach - Worse than Obama in 2012! (there, I said it ;).
Deficit - Also in a class of his own (comparison with Bush/Obama, but on steroids)

This are just a few of the low points. There are so many. He will rank with the very worst single-term presidents ever. Hats off to the many Republicans I know who oppose him with the goal of salvaging whatever is left of their party after Trumpism.

some people think a far greater threat to our country are things like generating a complete smear job against a SCJ nominee and a BS partisan impeachment process that costs this country months of focus and was so BS that less than a year later the people pushing it daily are too embarrassed to even mention it in their conventions or debates.

Not me, of course. I think they were both worthwhile uses of time and not at all a danger to the fabric of our society and institutions.

You’re brave to be in this forum taking your position. You’ll get hammered nonstop and called every name in the book from this crowd. The very crowd who lambast Trump for attacking the opposition will attack you unabashedly. Ironic.

I’m all in for Biden but I’m a true ‘unaffiliated’ voter. My best friend, who I’ve been best buds with since I was 9yrs old, with whom I spend the most time other than my wife, is a Trump voter. Not a ‘Trumpster all in love with Trump’ voter but more like you. We discuss the topic but he’s where he is and I’m where I am. Doesn’t matter. He’s still my best friend who would do anything for my wife and kids, and I’m still The Godfather to his daughter. Doesn’t matter. We disagree.

He’s well educated, ex military, works in the DoD world in a meaningful position and I love and respect him.

I wish the majority of this forum could just understand others disagree and there no need to vilify anyone who has an opposing view. (They’ll call it ‘interest in your position’, but that’s not heat they mean).

Anyway, I disagree with your choice but respect your decision either way.

Enjoy being young. "Jane Wyman was right" was a campaign button in the 80s referencing Reagan's first wife. But I completely agree about your point. Gary Hart is probably still shaking his head about what people have let Trump slide on, and maybe we think so little of all politicians that this is the new normal. I remember in 2016 when the "Locker Room talk" defense came up and they interviewed couples at a campaign stop. The wife would say the locker room defense about Trump and then the interviewer would ask her if her husband spoke like that in the locker room? The look from both parties was of complete shock from the insult. Sad we no longer expect to have political candidates as respectable as our friends and neighbors.

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The first time man split the atom was when the atom tried to hold Jens Voigt's wheel, but cracked.

I think the president breaking the law to extort a country to help the president personally and spread Russian propaganda is a danger to the country. But I guess you are cool with that.

I said I prefer to choose the devil I know, not the devil I don’t. I didn’t say Trump wasn’t corrupt as many of the politicians also are. I also didn’t say what Biden says was ridiculous, or untrue. I know the 100k lives by Jan is a prediction by experts. I fact checked it.

I just said he sounds like a politician, which he is- a 47 career politician. I just don’t get the feeling he is honest as people think.

This is MY opinion. It’s not to be judged or argued, so don’t try. You know... how you meet someone for the first time and there is something about them that you just can’t figure out, but it bothers you. That’s the feeling I get. Again, don’t compare it to Trump or argue this at all. It’s my opinion and I’m sharing. That is all.

I didn’t miss the mark when I didn’t claim anything.

It’s a start... maybe that will appease you.

Don’t think Mexico didn’t pay. They don’t have to pay directly, but maybe the new trade deal is part of the way of getting some revenue.

https://www.cnn.com/...ent-trump/index.html

Look into the Democrats and their involvement with Russia.

When there is BS on both sides for a given topic, I ignore that as a basis in decision making.

I will admit, I let Trump slide on the locker room talk. I did the research. I heard the recordings. He spoke of some woman who wanted to go shopping for furniture and he took her shopping and how he was going at her hard... making a move... or something like that, as well as the grab em in the pussy comment. At the end of the day, it’s pitiful. Although, if anyone recorded everything I said when I thought it was private guy talk, I’m sure it would also be taken pretty negatively. As most people who are not planning to go into politics. Only difference if you were going into politics, it would have been better hidden. Regardless, the stuff happens. I still can’t believe Biden’s comment of poor kids just as bright kids, or something like that, didn’t hurt him as badly as Trumps locker room talk did.

Thx for the insight on The 80’s campaign. That’s a pretty low blow. Geez.

Thank you. You and your friend are similar to a friend and I. Sharing views should be healthy and a way to share differing information as we all collect our I formation from different places and differing perspectives. The Information shouldn’t be judged and ridiculed. It should be shared. Each person has the right to form an opinion from that Information.

I have a friend who now has his own medical practice. He hated Trump like nobody could. He said he is voting on health care policy and economy as he is choosing what is best for his business. Crazy that means he may go Trump and he hates the guy.

We will also be friends forever. I’ve known him for over 30 years.

God you are boring. I bet you are this boring in Real life too

Their involvement? You are saying Russia hacking and leaking their emails, you think the Democrats wanted that?

Anyway, I disagree with your choice but respect your decision either way.


It's one thing to respect someone's view in politics. I am a member of the Conservative party of Canada but have a lot of respect for our Prime Minister and for people who support him.


However, asking people to respect those who support a man with the views that Trump holds is just not something I am prepared to do. If someone said I am Republican but will not support Trump because he has absolutely nothing in common with the Party, then they would get respect.


Supporting someone who has openly disparaged his own intelligence agency, soldiers, women, immigrants etc., and is vain, insecure, has no intellectual curiosity and exhibits every single personal characteristic in a man that I despise, is just not going to happen. That has nothing to do with being open minded, it means taking a stand that character in a President matters.

I mean, I am cool with being boring if it means caring about the country. But I guess that is just one of our many differences.

I said that I ignore the topic when there is BS on both sides

So, I’m not taking a stand regarding anything with Russia.

Fair enough. I won’t disparage those who vote differently than I do. I have my reasons and I don’t believe the character of a voter reflects the politician for whom they vote. Lots of folks voted for Bill. That doesn’t mean they’re womanizing douchebags whose wife attacks the women assaulted. They had their reasons for their vote that dismissed the teenage libido and the HRC aggressive attacks on the victims.

They had their reasons. It’s more complex than Trumps character. Again, I’m in for Biden/Kamala. I split my vote for Obama.

I’m not willing to throw all whose vote opposite to me into a sewer.

So you just pretend their is not objective reality? Seriously?

He’s built 5 whole miles of new wall. And Mexico hasn’t paid for a cent of it.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Honestly I'm glad you're sharing your views, because so many Trump supporters refuse to do so in any calm, rational way, and contrary to JD21's prediction I don't see anyone calling you names (yet!).

But just to come back to Biden and masks. You agree that what he said was the opinion of experts, and if they are right, it would save about 100,000 American lives, and yet you think he's being "political" by passing on that information?!

In contrast, Trump knew in January that COVID was a dangerous virus that could spread via airborne particles, but yet didn't share that with the public and instead said there was nothing to worry about. Also, recall in March Trump admitted on camera that he didn't want the cruise ship with COVID patients to dock at a US port because it would push the US numbers up, and that would make him look bad. There was also a White House directive in February that those in the West Wing should not put on the masks they had been sent because "it would not be a good look."

So, to recap, Trump has willing and knowingly risked American lives for his political benefit (and still does so with his rallies, ensuring he's socially distanced but not requiring his supporters to wear masks or keep apart), while Biden is doing something he believes will save lives, and you think BIDEN is the one being political?!! Holy shit. I mean, really think about what you're saying for a moment.

A grateful nation thanks you for all your efforts here.

So all the respected career professionals who testified in the impeachment investigation were lying, as was Sondland who was a Trump groupie for a while before realizing he'd better not lie under oath and go down like Michael Cohen?

You probably believe everything that comes out of Devin Nunes' mouth too.

The saddest part of that whole thing was watching Republicans in congress lie shamelessly for Trump and their own political careers. All apart from Mitt Romney, who was the only one with a spine.

You're going to realize one day how much you were on the wrong side of history. I wonder if you'll ever admit it.