Biden is getting great reviews for saying what every viewer wanted to say, which was, “shut up.”

That retort won’t cost him a vote and will likely gain him some. Getting bulldozed more and begging for the moderator’s help wasn’t going to
convince anyone that he’s ready for the rigor of the job.

Anyone could beat Trump in this election. It would be nice if the DNC would let the people choose their candidate. Mayor Pete would have been a much better choice in so many areas and there would be a very clear distinction. I was hopeful the country as a whole had evolved and become more accepting of LGBT, but the DNC sure blew that notion.

I think Joe will hire many Of those folks to work for the American people. Probably some former Repubs too. Trump bought certain sectors in furtherance of trump.

I don’t think that’s fair at all.

The DNC didn’t show that we aren’t ready for an LGBT nominee. We showed that we wanted a seasoned veteran, safe choice, moderate and not someone whose best qualification is that he was mayor of a mid-sized town in Indiana.

I love Pete. Love a great orator, and a thoughtful, inspiring person. I live that he’s a veteran. But I wasn’t rolling the dice against Trump with the mayor of South Bend.

If he had been elected to serve as governor, or as a senator, or even a congressman (maybe), but a mayor?

No.

You're nuts. A full 40% of the United States still thinks he is doing a good job and it's over 90% in the Republican party. If you lose anybody because you're putting a Socialist or gay man on the ticket, you've lost.

I liked Mayor Pete but he was gone by my primary and I agree with the second part of your take.

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TEAM HD
Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.

Well, that's a good way to completely shut down any sort of debate with anyone except your 'tribe'.

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If you are a Canuck that engages in gratuitous bashing of the US, you are probably on my Iggy List. So, save your self a bunch of typing a response unless you also feel the need to gratuitously bash me. If so, have fun.
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f___ things up" - Barack Obama, 2020

I would really like to know what Trump thinks ANTIFA means? Has anyone explained it to him? Or that it's not some shadow terrorist organization like ISIS or KKK, just a concept of "Anti-Fascism?"

Ok, maybe I don't want to know after all

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

You completely lost me there. A slim majority just accepted that blatant discimination was bad a few years ago, and it only happened because such a position became a politically losing strategy. Pete is great (as are many of the candidates, but this country has not evolved enough at this time.

So are you going for the guy offering you “nothing”, or the “nuts” one?

Remember, the winner has the countries nuclear arsenal at their command.

100% concur.

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Suffer Well.

I doubt it. People in PGH would agree with him on the Philly part

"Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between." - James Carville

Here are a couple of "bad things" that happened in Philadelphia: The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution

Probably not enough to outweigh throwing snowballs at Santa, the Mummers Parade, or other nonsense, but still

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Why do you hold them to different standards?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I would modify that slightly with a sign I saw at a protest recently:

"Supporting Trump doesn't mean you're a racist, but it does mean you're okay with his racism."

I didn't believe Trump was a racist for a long time. I thought he was using racist language to fire up portions of his base. But when he said his "send them back to where they came from" comment, I had to concede that it was glimpse into how he sees the world with racist-tinted lenses. I've no doubt anymore that he's one of those "racist lite" people who think they're not racist because they don't want to hang certain people from trees, not realizing that racism is far, far more complex and pervasive than such a ridiculously narrow definition allows.

The fact that he essentially turned an opportunity to denounce white supremacy into a rallying call to white supremacy shows who he is. You don't have to be a racist to support him, but you've got to rationalize his racism to do it.

baby steps. a not insignificant part of the country still wants to sit at 1950's deli counters. LGBT was still being shunned when I was in HS 25 years ago. Evolution takes time.

appreciate the recap everyone. not like I was going out on the a limb, but my refusal to watch what I said was going to be a dumpster fire saved me 90 minutes of my life. At this point if you think anything involving Trump could have turned out better than last night, I have to assume you've gone bat shit crazy. I watched Midsommar instead and it had me longing for some rituals of a rural Swedish festival to find its way into US politics.

Well. now we know what he thinks of his UPENN degree. Bad thing

The illiterate dipshit probably misread "Wharton" as "Whore-Tan"

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I live north of Pittsburgh and this is exactly true. Last nights debate changed nobody's mind in my ultra conservative area. In fact, most of the people were complaining about Biden's tie and that Wallace was favoring Biden to make Trump look bad.

I'm not making this shit up.

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Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.

You mean like vote for them? Maybe have a round of elections before having a big meeting to decide who should be the nominee?

Third party

oh and stocks are up this morning

Win or lose, Biden's not running in 2024

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Nice, I respect that. We need a viable third party.

UPenn doesn't think much of him either

https://twitter.com/.../1311122697842237440

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

No you cannot beat Trump with anyone. Bernie probably couldn't win and some other folks way on the left would not win either. AOC probably wouldn't win.

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They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

There are a couple possible reasons.

First, some people think that staying in the middle is the enlightened thing to do. They feel it makes them feel superior or smarter. Sure it may be the correct choice in some circumstances, but really dumb in this circumstance. These are people if the Democrats said the Sun rises in the east and Republicans said it rises in the West, would say, "Maybe it rises in the North or South, both sides are equally wrong."

Second, they just like trump.

But yes it is dumb to say that the person constantly interrupting and the one who did not always take the interrupting exactly as some people wanted are equally to blame. Just like the person punching people in the face is just as bad as the person that screams "stop punching people in face asshole."