He said stand down and then “be ready” or some crap. Holy F! How hard was that to answer ?!? Trump could have taken MUCH better quips if he had a brain. I mean, how could he not just say “I want everyone to vote! I want all voices heard, but I want to reduce the chance of fraud by not using the mail system. And Joe if your supporters can riot in groups, then they shouldn’t have a problem with groups at the polls in person.” But NOOOOOO. HE WAS GARBAGE. What an embarrassment. What a disgrace. What a piece of flaming shit! Wow. WOW!

Trump basically saying he won’t accept the election results and wouldn’t say that people shouldn’t riot or be violent.

Mary Bruce: (paraphrased)

“Normally calling the president a clown, the worst president ever, and to shut up would be crossing the line, but I think tonight that showed Joe Biden could keep his cool and rise above.”

Wait what? This is why I hate reporters.

For the record, I really wish Biden would have simply bit his tongue during those moments.

He literally told white supremacists to “stand back and stand by.”

They surely heard that loud and clear. That will be on t-shirts by tomorrow. That was a huge boost to the Proud Boys, the Klan, etc. They are literally high-fiving right now.

This. If he just went silent and smirked and pointed at Trump and his tantrums, he DOMINATES moving forward. The high road will win him the middle BIG time. Trump slits his own throat.

Thats not what he said. He said if its a fair election then yes, but if theres 10s of thousands of fraudulent ballots then hes not ok with that. No clue what that entails, but thats actually what he said, not that hes not accepting the result.

was that before or after Joe Biden said his Green New Deal would pay for itself?

When Rove calls it a toss up and Santorum says Trump overdid it, it can't be a good night for their side.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Seriously, I was aghast. I can NOT believe he said that! And you’re right, they heard it loud and clear. Disgusting!

Three poi.. Crap. Trump interrupted me too.

Bingo.

And guess what, the white supremacists are taking it as support:




Do we need to point out again the huge support trump has among white supremacists? Or do we just take that for granted now?

What were the lows?

While Biden is talking about his dead son who served in Iraq, Trump disparaging Biden’s other son for being a drug addict.

Trump telling white supremacists to stand back and stand by. He refused to condemn white supremacy.

Nothing good happens in Philadelphia.

Biden won. All he had to do was show up be reasonably on point. Which he did. Trump makes personal attacks on Biden's kids just very lame. Trump couldn't stop interrupting. Dumb statements about 47 years you did nothing about Biden etc. Biden could just park it at this point.

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They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

Makes sense, not addressing climate change is going to cost an astronomical amount. You have any idea how much a sea wall around New York would cost, let alone other cities?

Just insane that people call CNN left biased, when they employee Rick Santorum.

What do you mean?

Biden was acceptable in an impossible mudfest, which means he won.

Also, if nobody is changing their minds based on this debate, the person with a large lead clearly won.


Also, one of them did not condemn white supremacists (instead supported them). So I think we can all agree who lost, I meant that hopefully, we know some people will not see that as a bad thing.

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Not gonna lie I thought Trump made some sense on his climate change message. CA forest management and car regulations/cost of vehicles.

Trump's idea of CA forest management is absolute bullshit.

https://weatherwest.com/archives/7550

Keep up the good fight. Some people take the easy way out. Not you by gum. But you are doing yeoman's work. Not very persuasively mind you. But you are still standing in the breach.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Oh good lord, the CNN fact checker is on.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Forlorn hope?

Harris is going to do so well.

Biden missed a big opportunity right there. He could have said, well it is more likely to pay for itself than Mexico paying for the wall.