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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [holograham] [ In reply to ]
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holograham wrote:
Curious why did Sagan push solo for so long up that climb? Why not immediately rest and fall back to peloton?

Probably hoping to re-connect on the descent and make it to the 2nd sprint ahead of the peloton (as unlikely as that seems in retrospect).
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Curious why did Sagan push solo for so long up that climb? Why not immediately rest and fall back to peloton?


Good questions. It did seem a bit odd. Given how Stage 3 played out in the end, with it's Milan-San-Remo - like finale over the final 20km, he may have been a factor there. But that's all second guessing and the way Bike Racing goes.

Perhaps it could have been as simple as him wanting to test the legs a bit and get in a harder day on purpose for fitness purposes.

Thanks - glad I am not the only one to find it odd. Crazy to think how in a long race like this riders play the fitness gain angle.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [BobAjobb] [ In reply to ]
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I noticed the watch after he crossed the line too and wondered what that was about...lol.

According to velonews he was on clinchers today.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [holograham] [ In reply to ]
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holograham wrote:
like this riders play the fitness gain angle.

I think that's a myth. No one gets more fit during the Tour de France. You just manage to lose fitness more gracefully. Everyone is worthless for weeks afterward.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
holograham wrote:

Curious why did Sagan push solo for so long up that climb? Why not immediately rest and fall back to peloton?


Probably hoping to re-connect on the descent and make it to the 2nd sprint ahead of the peloton (as unlikely as that seems in retrospect).

2nd sprint was the finish line, no? That seems awfully optimistic thinking even for Sagan?
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [kny] [ In reply to ]
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kny wrote:

2nd sprint was the finish line, no? That seems awfully optimistic thinking even for Sagan?

Yeah. Unlikely. But he nearly made it over the two huge climbs with the break. Roll of the dice. Shrug. Or maybe set something up for Kamna?

Or maybe it really was a training ride - that just seems unlikely to me.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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Cavendish used to race wearing a Richard Mille, too (several, actually).



Richard Mille is apparently a big cycling fan, and the brand is a sponsor of the Bahrain McLaren team.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Curious why did Sagan push solo for so long up that climb? Why not immediately rest and fall back to peloton?


Good questions. It did seem a bit odd. Given how Stage 3 played out in the end, with it's Milan-San-Remo - like finale over the final 20km, he may have been a factor there. But that's all second guessing and the way Bike Racing goes.

Perhaps it could have been as simple as him wanting to test the legs a bit and get in a harder day on purpose for fitness purposes.

I was thinking that if the pace over the major climbs was low enough early than the last two times up Col d'Eze may been possible for him to hang in and have a chance at the stage win and yellow, but he'd have to have hung in (which he did not). And I don't think he could have gone with Alaphilippe. From what I know the stats on the 1.5x Eze are tougher than Cipressa and Poggio.

OK I just checked, and the full Eze climb is 490m. Cipressa is only around 200m and Poggio only around 140m. So not sure Sagan had any hope anyway.

But main this is Julian Alaphilippe took the stage and yellow. That was a real awesome day for France! Let's see how the stage to Sisteron goes tomorrow. its not too bad for him to defend:



Everything is Cat 3 or 4 with ~5% average grades. Julian should easily be able to defend.

Do any of you guys have news on Tom Dumoulin after his crash on the the climb today (second round up Eze)?
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Curious why did Sagan push solo for so long up that climb? Why not immediately rest and fall back to peloton?


Good questions. It did seem a bit odd. Given how Stage 3 played out in the end, with it's Milan-San-Remo - like finale over the final 20km, he may have been a factor there. But that's all second guessing and the way Bike Racing goes.

Perhaps it could have been as simple as him wanting to test the legs a bit and get in a harder day on purpose for fitness purposes.

Who knows, maybe he thought the break would go

I will never understand why riders sign contracts for new teams before the tour. It just seems like a bad idea

"The person on top of the mountain didn't fall there." - unkown

also rule 5
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [brasch] [ In reply to ]
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brasch wrote:
Bicycle tyres Can’t hydroplane because of their shape and the shape of the contact patch. Paint, Oil and gasoline has an effect in the cities, But it’s mainly because of a layer of dust that make the roads so slippery and it’s usually like that places where it doesn’t rain a lot.


Adding a little soap always helps, too

https://twitter.com/.../1299775147340165124

I wondered, when a bunch of riders 'felt the ground' [my new favorite phrase for crashing] on that little dogleg left, why there were white streaks on the road? I couldn't have been from their kits being scuffed up, nor from the pavement drying out suddenly, it was actually foam being kicked up from the detergent & rainwater as they slid around

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Lopez’ speedway style crash comes in first place from a visual artistic point


Ever have one of those moments where you need to decide 'Which should I run into? The sign, the tree, or the car?'

"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [boobooaboo] [ In reply to ]
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boobooaboo wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Curious why did Sagan push solo for so long up that climb? Why not immediately rest and fall back to peloton?


Good questions. It did seem a bit odd. Given how Stage 3 played out in the end, with it's Milan-San-Remo - like finale over the final 20km, he may have been a factor there. But that's all second guessing and the way Bike Racing goes.

Perhaps it could have been as simple as him wanting to test the legs a bit and get in a harder day on purpose for fitness purposes.

Who knows, maybe he thought the break would go

I will never understand why riders sign contracts for new teams before the tour. It just seems like a bad idea
Getting in shape for the Giro and needed to do his sweetspot intervals? Or maybe sunday is just the day for a long endurance ride
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:
brasch wrote:
Bicycle tyres Can’t hydroplane because of their shape and the shape of the contact patch. Paint, Oil and gasoline has an effect in the cities, But it’s mainly because of a layer of dust that make the roads so slippery and it’s usually like that places where it doesn’t rain a lot.


Adding a little soap always helps, too

https://twitter.com/.../1299775147340165124

brasch wrote:
Lopez’ speedway style crash comes in first place from a visual artistic point


Ever have one of those moments where you need to decide 'Which should I run into? The sign, the tree, or the car?'

You left out the rock barrier. Man, that was a Wiley Coyote moment!!!
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [holograham] [ In reply to ]
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holograham wrote:
Curious why did Sagan push solo for so long up that climb? Why not immediately rest and fall back to peloton?

"Make party"

"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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Hey so for tomorrow's stage Alaphilippe has to hang on to 17 seconds behind the GC studs on this:


If he is to keep yellow. It seems like it could be in the realm of possiblity. First stage where the gridlock of those at 17 seconds back should shake out a bit in the GC.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Most likely he needs to loose at most 7 seconds, as there is a time bonus of 10 seconds to the winner at the finish. Also depending on if that winner is one of the "17 seconds"-guys, and who gets second (6 seconds bonus) and third (4 second bonus) of course.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [slow_bob] [ In reply to ]
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Depends How fast the they ride uphill, if they’re not pushing it, alaphilippe May take the stage win (if he Can keep up with roglic on the last 1k)
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [brasch] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, the climb is not outside the range of Alaphillippe. 7 km at 7% although it maxes out at 1800m altitude, so its almost like an 8.% climb at sea level.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Also depends on the Wind, if there’s a strong tailwind drafting Will be harder
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [brasch] [ In reply to ]
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brasch wrote:
Depends How fast the they ride uphill, if they’re not pushing it, alaphilippe May take the stage win (if he Can keep up with roglic on the last 1k)

I think Jumbo is happy at the moment to not have to work on the flats: today all day Alaphilippes team have to work against the wind. That said, i guess everyone is happy today when Alaphilippe keeps yellow.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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No big shakeout yet with 16 in lead group on same time. Also often some who lose time on first mountain stages will do better later.

Ineos looked a bit weak. When Wout pulled off, Kwaitkowski had nothing and pulled off too. LOL. Carapaz finished 28 seconds back.
EF's Higuita and Martinez also 28s back, but Uran in main group and Carthy only 15 seconds back.

Wout was awesome. Nice to see Quintana (Nairo) with good legs.

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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [longtrousers] [ In reply to ]
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Great stage. Absolutely amazing the rider that hit the guard rail and snapped that Cervelo like a toothpick was not injured. Sep Kuss is an animal. Roglic looking strong. A but surprised Bernal did not stay with Roglic and gave up time to him.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [Nerd] [ In reply to ]
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I find it interesting how big a gap Roglic is opening up in the finish. He isn’t a bean pole yet he is quickly opening up significant gaps. It makes me think that he isn’t really being put under any type of pressure on these climbs because at the end he is capable of maybe an extra 200 watts over everyone else. I figure anyone who has been at or above FTP for 30+ minutes will be peddling squares in the final sprint.
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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grumpier.mike wrote:
I find it interesting how big a gap Roglic is opening up in the finish. He isn’t a bean pole yet he is quickly opening up significant gaps. It makes me think that he isn’t really being put under any type of pressure on these climbs because at the end he is capable of maybe an extra 200 watts over everyone else. I figure anyone who has been at or above FTP for 30+ minutes will be peddling squares in the final sprint.

I believe Roglic's physiology is like Mo Farah in the 5000m and 10000m running....he has 48 second 400m speed while having 59:50 half marathon endurance. Infinite slow twitch fiber, but he also has insane fast twitch. You can't be a good ski jumper without serious explosive power (there is nothing aerobic about that sport).
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Re: Tour de France Race Banter: It's Wide Open [brasch] [ In reply to ]
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brasch wrote:
Depends How fast the they ride uphill, if they’re not pushing it, alaphilippe May take the stage win (if he Can keep up with roglic on the last 1k)

Well you called it almost perfectly. Alaphilippe almost kept up! Just not the same explosive power as Roglic.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/...ippes-gc-weaknesses/
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