If you want to have that discussion, by all means, have at it. Nobody here is defending Sen Kennedy's position on school opening. But Francois doesn't get to roll in and claim Sen Kennedy told teachers to kiss his ass.

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Hey look, your instinct to defend Trump pops up in about your third post of the thread. Of course this is about Trump. Stop being an ass.

EXACTLY

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I can argue that you lied in your OP and with the title of your thread, which is what I'm arguing.

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There. I fixed the original title...Are you still disagreeing with it now?

You're interpretation is wrong. I'm impressed at the double down

Well, at least now you're lying about a different group of people that he supposedly told to kiss his ass.

You're a pretty smart guy. Maybe on the third try you could get it right.

Fuck. I guess some of you have just given up on the high road, and are perfectly fine with stooping to the level of the opponent you've been railing against for almost 4 years.

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Wonder if he tells Trump to kiss his ass for demanding that schools open for political reasons. I mean, that would be consistent at least

Yup calling you out is defending Trump. You and Francois seem to have the same interpretation skills today.

No. Trying to pretend this isn't about Trump is defending Trump. You're trying to distance Trump from the issue, when his greasy, fat, stubby fingers are all over it.

nope, you are still wrong

I agree, if schools don’t open, they get no funding. Are we going to keep paying for schools or labor that are not providing a service? My son is supposed to start his senior year The third week of august. Not a peep, phones not being answered by humans, Calls not being returned.
Every neighbor I talk to wants their children back in school. Except for the one that calls the sheriff when kids are playing in the park.

He must be really pissed at DeVos and Trump then.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

I thought the issue was a blatantly false and misleading original post and subject that has now been even more bastardized?

I can appreciate the anger or zeal in disagreeing with offering our children and employees as sacrifices to the golden calf of American consumerism.........but, the tactic on misrepresenting what he actually said is low brow.

He didn't specifically tell teachers to kiss his ass. I don't even feel that was implied.

It's more productive to use the actual full context quotes of people like him.

Our governor said it how it is yesterday. This isn't the actual quote, but from what I remember it sounded like "if you want the kids to go to school, wear the damn mask and follow the rules!" All the people bitching about wanting to reopen and send kids to school not following any good guidelines at all. Acting like it's fake.

I really wonder how WWII would go down today. Trying to convince the populace to sacrifice monetarily and socially (outside of the human toll).

Many schools are planning for online teaching. Technologically, it's doable. Should someone be answering the phone? Absolutely. Should education continue? Absolutely.
There are many things we can do to make it as safe as possible, without pushing all the responsibilities down to teachers. Without making it unsafe for them either.
I am not arguing against reopening. I'm arguing against reopening with a real plan, with support from leadership at the state and federal level.

France would still surrender

Whatever. I said Kennedy was being Trumpian, which he was. You didn't like that. It was not off topic.

So he was being Vichy?

As I said, my intent was not to misrepresent what he said. I said it multiple times. I took his comment as a F U to the teachers, and thus indirectly telling them to kiss his ass.

Now, if there were additional statements clarifying what he said, and that were not in the article I posted, I'm happy to stand corrected. But based on that article, I still think it's implied.

I saw the thread, title, post, and then clicked on the article without reading any replies.

Read the article, then went to write a reply and saw the thread had already gone exactly the way I'd hope/expect.

You didn't misrepresent you created a fiction out of whole cloth.

I have no idea who he is pissed at. What I do know is that this quote was about the rationale behind making a decision. Whether or not opening schools is the right answer, I can absolutely support someone who wants that decision made for the right reasons. He is not telling teachers to fuck off. Francois even offered his own thoughts as to how opening schools could be beneficial. So maybe thats the conversation people want to have, even in the face of this pandemic, people are looking at possible pros vs cons. If Francois can find those possible pros, why is it so asinine for a politician to want reasons based in that logic as well? Nope, instead, he's got to have some ulterior motive. Must light up the torches and grab the pitchforks!

His quote was telling people using children as pawns to fuck off. Not teachers. What is wrong with wanting people to be grounded and use sound logic?

Again, if I tell people who want to get married for the wrong reasons that they're assholes, am I then telling all people who want to get married that they are assholes? Am I telling ministers or priests that they're assholes? What about the wedding venues? In fact, if I call out people who cheat the system and tell them they're assholes, am I telling ANYONE else other than that specific population that they are assholes? No, this whole thread is stupid and Francois is doubling down.

Why is Francois so caught up on teachers? Why doesn't he think he's telling the students to kiss his ass? Or the parents?

Nonsense. Either your intent was to misrepresent his comments, or you are too lazy to have read the article, or you are too stupid to understand that your OP was a lie.

You can pick any of the three options above, but you can't credibly claim that you were quoting his specific comments towards people with political motives, but interpreting them as directed towards teachers in a general figurative way.

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If only Sen Kennedy had said something like that,....oh wait, he did. He specifically stated that he understands there are people with good faith reasons for not wanting to reopen, and that he wants to have that debate.

We could have had a realistic and well thought out debate on school reopening, based on Sen Kennedy's interview. Instead, we're arguing about why Francois decided to use the same lying and misleading tactics he and so many (including myself) have decried when used by Pres Trump and his surrogates.

He really should be embarrassed.

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