DavHamm wrote:
Yeeper wrote:
windywave wrote:
TimeIsUp wrote:
windywave wrote:
TimeIsUp wrote:
slowguy wrote:
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As always, this administration wants all of the positive outcomes without doing any of the work.
And without owning the risk if the action results in failure. If schools open as the President demands, and then COVID cases increase, or kids get sick, or whatever, it will be the fault of the mayor, or governor, or teachers, or school boards, or Democrats, anyone other than the people who demanded the schools open.
with how things are playing out due to states reopening so quickly, I'm finding it very difficult to imagine how cases wouldn't increase and kids wouldn't get sick. How would a school setting have different outcomes from a bar, church, choir, restaurant, etc? If anything, I'd argue it is worse.
Masks
i like your positive thinking
Basically if I'm wearing a mask my chance of catching it drops to 50% if we both are something like 90%. Throw in desks 3 to 6 feet away and I think it in theory should be fine. Kids want to be assholes and not wear masks detention then expulsion. Kid has dildo parents that don't believe in masks, homeschooling it is. This is not hard and discipline can enforce it.
For older students I agree.
The problem is younger kids. My wife teaches 7th grade and half the kids can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Expecting students to be as vigilant with their masks and proper protocol while also trying to stay focused on work is going to be a herculean task. I don't see it working. To say nothing of students with special needs.
And currently their solution is HS students transition to complete distance learning while middle school and elementary schools spread out through the larger buildings. So the ones who can (should) be trusted more are the ones who will be home.
First background, Mom was a Teacher ( grades 4-6 mostly) inlaws both teachers, 2 nieces who are teachers, daughter just grad with teaching degree. I have seen the transition of public schools. But I never give up hope.
I will leave special needs out of this cause well there special. But to your bold statement above. What would you wife do if a kid walked into class without pants on? or even without a shirt on? I believe / hope schools have not gotten so week that even that low expectation would be met with indifference. I would expect the student would be sent to the office to get the proper clothing on. I would expect no less of a mask. Detention or what ever form of punishment the school uses, would / should be triggered quickly for non-compliance to the mask policy. First offense trip the office, and a call home. 2nd office detention for a week, 3rd office 1 week expulsion. This should not be some wishy washy policy, it should be treated like it is a serious heath issue. If a kid starts pissing on everyone in the class, I am sure it would be dealt with swiftly and so should this. Kids love to push the envelope. On this teachers / staff / parents have to agree and the slight sign of pushing the edge, needs to be shutdown immediately. Those who's parents don't support the mask policy, well they will be the lucky ones to have to home school the kid.
In an ideal world, yes. I remember 7th grade, and I cant fathom how/why kids act the way she and her coworkers tells me they do.
She had a kid who didnt want to be there. Didnt care about school, just wanted to disrupt everything. Would walk around during tests or class assignments and annoy other kids. You can only send a kid to the office so many times. You cant yell at them, and “punishments” dont work. The districts have some really fucked up protections for kids with respect to punishments. It just doesnt happen much anymore. I used to fear what my parents would do to me if I got in trouble. If the parents dont care, the kids wont.
One problem is that we have a large population of adults who wont even wear a mask bc of “their rights.” A store has a policy “No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service” and its not an issue. No rights violated. But a mask is too much to ask. So yea, I really do think its going to be difficult to get kids to keep masks on when she cant even trust some classes to get their pencils out or bring their books to class. Even with repeated asking and hand holding.
Her accelerated classes are great. Inclusion classes, a lot to be desired. She has kids that walk around with piss stains and erections and are completely oblivious. She teaches 7th grade and has had more than a handful of students who still read at a 3rd grade level.
A lot of these issues are with the system and district. But the argument isnt about that now, its about can we realistically expect younger kids to wear masks and practice common sense when they cant even keep track of a pencil. It will vary district to district, but man they are not alone.