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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [ironmayb] [ In reply to ]
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ironmayb wrote:
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Democratic primary voters under 35 years old via new Quinnipiac poll:
Sanders 52%
Warren 17%
Biden 11%
Yang 7%
Gabbard 3%
Buttigieg 2%
Bloomberg 2%
Everyone else 1% or less

1) free stuff
2) hip and trendy answer
3) the others on the list suck
4) I'm not going to actually vote anyway.

5) some combination of 1-4

Sanders is anything but hip and trendy.

Buttster would be a hipper and trendier choice.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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The "free stuff" thing is pretty much to the point of being like a racist trope. It's easy, it's lazy, and it's intellectually fraudulent.

People that age like him because he talks like a socialist democrat. People that don't like being more in the "dark blue" realm of socialism vs. deep red capitalism tend to use these lazy arguments (free stuff) to dismiss something they're not willing to understand (even if they'll never agree with it). Same way that socialist leaning folks call people "capitalist pigs". This isn't anything new.

Neither are the lazy arguments and stereotypes new that both sides use to self capitulate.

They like him because he believes and speaks in plain terms about being more socialist and what he'd like to do to work towards that.

I put "free stuff" in the same categories as "capitalist pig", "libtard", "neocon", "snowflake" and others. They're not part of dialogue, they're phrases part of childish bickering.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [patentattorney] [ In reply to ]
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I think its fairly simple. They want the lifestyle their parents had. Pensions, wages that meet general cost of living, and reasonable healthcare.

People under 35 generally have high college debt, pay high medical premiums for a benefit the don't use as much and generally do not make as much as their older peers. They also will less likely see a pension or 401k match.

People over 35 have probably paid off all of not most of their college debt, have moved up the food chain in the workforce to earn more and can understand higher medical premiums based on the usage, lets face it, you use medical the older you get.

As for how to pay for it, well, they don't understand that concept yet. Generally most people don't know how to budget.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [Koala Bear] [ In reply to ]
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jkca1 wrote:
Guff wrote:
Because he represents the bubbling rage today's youth feel toward the establishment. The youth are a mix of despondent and angry over the fact that they will likely earn less than their parents, not be able to afford a house, that their planet is environmentally fucked up by greedy pricks. Bernie doesn't tip toe around this - he tells it straight and its appealing to the youth.


"If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head." Seems like a fair assessment to me.

However, I think you give the youth too much credit for independent thinking. They learn their voting habits from their parents, so many will be donkeys and the others elephants.

I agree with the post that you quoted. I’m young, and I may not be a diehard Bernie fan, but many of my peers that I have known for years are fans of his, for the reasons above.

What I do take issue with, is thinking that the youth aren’t able to think independently, or rather, “giving the youth too much credit for independent thinking.”

I know, I know- you were young once, and you know how it feels to be young and feel misunderstood by the older generations. But many young people are in fact capable of looking at the facts, not be blinded by emotion, and think separately from their parents.

My dad is a libertarian, and my mom is a liberal. It’s not a secret. And I don’t follow in either of their footsteps.

If I had to classify myself, which I don’t typically do, I would say I am a moderate. At this point in my life, I have my own set of morals and ideals, shaped by my childhood events, experiences of friends and companions that I’ve known, and research and reading of historical events throughout the world.

I would say that maybe ten percent of my morals are founded directly from my parents- and that is not a bad thing. I had a good childhood all things considered, and was raised to respectful, kind, and trustworthy. Those are not political leanings. My thoughts on immigration, gun control, the ideal amount of legislative restriction, and any other political topic I’ve come to hold an opinion on are formed by me.

I guess my ranting all boils down to this: young adults are able to think for theirselves, and shouldn’t solely be dismissed because of their age.

I believe you. Young people can think for themselves. However, studies prove that most young people are influenced, and why wouldn't they be, by their parents? When I see young people in crowds for Bernie I wonder where are the kids of GOP parents? My .02 says they differ with Bernie, so they are in the library working on making their second million. ;) BTW at the ripe old age of 64 I am a Green Party supporter. Probably because I never grew up. And I have two teenage daughters, one of which is a Bernie supporter and the other wants Michelle Obama to run. Never a dull moment in my home.

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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [AndysStrongAle] [ In reply to ]
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I think its fairly simple. They want the lifestyle their parents had. Pensions, wages that meet general cost of living, and reasonable healthcare.
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Their parents didn’t have cell phones. And a whole bunch of other costs. Give those things up and you’ll lower your cost of living.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [TomkR] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats on propagating bullshit. Whenever you want to have a real discussion feel free to join and bring your own thoughts.

You just proved my point.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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You just proved my point.

Give the schtick a rest. I knew Duffy. And you're no Duffy.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
AndysStrongAle wrote:
I think its fairly simple. They want the lifestyle their parents had. Pensions, wages that meet general cost of living, and reasonable healthcare.
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Their parents didn’t have cell phones. And a whole bunch of other costs. Give those things up and you’ll lower your cost of living.

I completely agree. I think part of it, is as they were growing up they saw their parents afford these things and don't realize that back in parents younger years the parent didn't have this stuff or it cost a lot less. I think also younger people are more susceptible to trendy marketing: Needs Patagonia fleece, apple laptop, and iphone. Easy access to credit cards doesn't help. People don't realize $100 here or there adds up.

Even with all of that being said look at the bigger ticket items, college tuition/years in college, starting salaries, rent/home ownership, vehicles, is a lot different between now and then. My state colleges tuition in 1990 was $2,500 now its $14,000, yikes!!
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [Greg66] [ In reply to ]
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Bumble Bee wrote:
It's simple. He promises free stuff. That's his appeal to my voting age son.
When I ask how will it get paid for, he shrugs.


I think it is slightly more subtle than that. He promises a better world. He’s an idealist. So are a lot of young people; he keys into that.

Get older and (depending on your pov) you become either more of a realist or more jaundiced. You conclude that idealism is a pipe dream.

But when you’re younger you’re prepared to believe anything is possible, without delving too hard into the detail of how.

Shit, for a second there I thought we were talking about how Trump got elected. The only difference between the age groups being the level of hypocrisy.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
windywave wrote:

You just proved my point.

Give the schtick a rest. I knew Duffy. And you're no Duffy.

I was trying to be nice and obliquely point out he's an ignoramus and not do it directly like now
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [Bumble Bee] [ In reply to ]
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It's simple. He promises free stuff. That's his appeal to my voting age son.
When I ask how will it get paid for, he shrugs.

He's in good company. No one cares about stuff being paid for anymore. I have no idea how Bernie states he will fund his programs, but it certainly can't be any dumber or blatantly misleading as saying Mexico will.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [Bumble Bee] [ In reply to ]
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It's simple. He promises free stuff. That's his appeal to my voting age son.
When I ask how will it get paid for, he shrugs.

This says more about you than it does your son.

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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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Bumble Bee wrote:
It's simple. He promises free stuff. That's his appeal to my voting age son.
When I ask how will it get paid for, he shrugs.

He's in good company. No one cares about stuff being paid for anymore. I have no idea how Bernie states he will fund his programs, but it certainly can't be any dumber or blatantly misleading as saying Mexico will.

apparently China is paying for the tariffs too....

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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [dah5609] [ In reply to ]
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dah5609]Nice balanced views from an independent source there...

The Leadership Institute is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization located in Arlington, Virginia that teaches "political technology."[1]
The Institute was founded in 1979 by conservative activist Morton Blackwell. Its mission is to "increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists" and to "identify, train, recruit and place conservatives in politics, government, and media."[2]

TomkR Congrats on propagating bullshit. Whenever you want to have a real discussion feel free to join and bring your own thoughts.


Hahaha Balanced sources like Wapo, NYT, CNN??? Sources often used in the LR. Since when does having a balanced view been a criteria here? Most of the LR is one side or the other finding conformation bias to support their view.
Do Universities strive for a balanced view ? Nope, how could they? Dems. professors out number Pubs 12-1. In some departments like humanities it can go as high as 60-1.

Some guys (conservatives) making a video of how brainwashed and naive students are at these Universities IMO is a revealing way of showing why young people would choose a Socialist like Sanders.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [getcereal] [ In reply to ]
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dah5609]Nice balanced views from an independent source there...

The Leadership Institute is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization located in Arlington, Virginia that teaches "political technology."[1]
The Institute was founded in 1979 by conservative activist Morton Blackwell. Its mission is to "increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists" and to "identify, train, recruit and place conservatives in politics, government, and media."[2]

TomkR Congrats on propagating bullshit. Whenever you want to have a real discussion feel free to join and bring your own thoughts.



Hahaha Balanced sources like Wapo, NYT, CNN??? Sources often used in the LR. Since when does having a balanced view been a criteria here? Most of the LR is one side or the other finding conformation bias to support their view.
Do Universities strive for a balanced view ? Nope, how could they? Dems. professors out number Pubs 12-1. In some departments like humanities it can go as high as 60-1.

Some guys (conservatives) making a video of how brainwashed and naive students are at these Universities IMO is a revealing way of showing why young people would choose a Socialist like Sanders.

Shall we head over to Liberty University or Bob Jones? Your pick.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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getcereal wrote:
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dah5609]Nice balanced views from an independent source there...


The Leadership Institute is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization located in Arlington, Virginia that teaches "political technology."[1]
The Institute was founded in 1979 by conservative activist Morton Blackwell. Its mission is to "increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists" and to "identify, train, recruit and place conservatives in politics, government, and media."[2]

TomkR Congrats on propagating bullshit. Whenever you want to have a real discussion feel free to join and bring your own thoughts.



Hahaha Balanced sources like Wapo, NYT, CNN??? Sources often used in the LR. Since when does having a balanced view been a criteria here? Most of the LR is one side or the other finding conformation bias to support their view.
Do Universities strive for a balanced view ? Nope, how could they? Dems. professors out number Pubs 12-1. In some departments like humanities it can go as high as 60-1.

Some guys (conservatives) making a video of how brainwashed and naive students are at these Universities IMO is a revealing way of showing why young people would choose a Socialist like Sanders.


Shall we head over to Liberty University or Bob Jones? Your pick.


I am not sure what your point is. There will always be exceptions if your Scholasticism is theological your goal will be toward the teaching of God and conservationism. Nothing hidden there.
Universities who are always pushing for 'diversity' seem to stop at diverse points of view especially when it means hiring more conservative professors.
Of course this should come as no surprise, it is human nature to support others who have your same point of view.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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TimeIsUp wrote:
Bumble Bee wrote:
It's simple. He promises free stuff. That's his appeal to my voting age son.
When I ask how will it get paid for, he shrugs.


He's in good company. No one cares about stuff being paid for anymore. I have no idea how Bernie states he will fund his programs, but it certainly can't be any dumber or blatantly misleading as saying Mexico will.


apparently China is paying for the tariffs too....

Again, NO ONE cares who pays for stuff. People like to pretend they care, but only when it is not their people doing it.

We have gone so far over the spending tipping point that I would bet a significant amount of money that our debt will never again go below $15T and I would take even odds it never goes below $20T again. NO ONE is seriously interested in decreasing it and even if they were, the Rep/Dem establishments would never allow the cuts necessary.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [patentattorney] [ In reply to ]
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Sanders has been offering them participation rewards for the past 6 years.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [patentattorney] [ In reply to ]
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Stating that you'll be taxing all the rich and corporations, promoting free universal healthcare, education costs at zero dollars with debt relief of of current school loans, the list goes on........are all things that really resonate and hit home with a up and coming younger generation.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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Their parents didn’t have cell phones. And a whole bunch of other costs. Give those things up and you’ll lower your cost of living.


Personally I think a LOT can be managed by picking more affordable schools and intelligent majors with actual marketability.

Having said that, its not cell phones that are making them poor. An Iphone X held on to for 5 years costs about $17/mo. Sure, you'll need a service, too, but they really aren't any more expensive that land line plans were back in the day, and much cheaper once you consider long distance charges.

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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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Their parents didn’t have cell phones. And a whole bunch of other costs. Give those things up and you’ll lower your cost of living.


Personally I think a LOT can be managed by picking more affordable schools and intelligent majors with actual marketability.

Having said that, its not cell phones that are making them poor. An Iphone X held on to for 5 years costs about $17/mo. Sure, you'll need a service, too, but they really aren't any more expensive that land line plans were back in the day, and much cheaper once you consider long distance charges.

There’s more than just that. Some people have cut cable but they have an internet bill to pay. On top of that they “need” Netflix and Prime and Disney+ and...

Optional expenses are much higher now than when we were young.

I have a 55” TV. Do I need a 55” Tv? Hells no. Did my Dad ever pay $1000 for a fucking TV? hells no. (Inflation yada yada, I get it). I have Two TVs that I once paid $1000 for.

Growing up we had a colour TV my Dad won in a contest and a black and white TV my great aunt gave us. It was fine.

We had a 3 bedroom house with one bath and 5 family members. It was fine.

There was no internet. We had a very very basic cable package. And a land line. It was fine.

When you went out you carried a quarter in case you needed to use a pay phone. It was fine.

My point is that we have so much stuff that we don’t need. We pay way more than our parents ever did. Why? Because we “need” it.

No we really don’t.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [getcereal] [ In reply to ]
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Universities who are always pushing for 'diversity' seem to stop at diverse points of view especially when it means hiring more conservative professors.


I don't agree. In the university departments where it matters most (political science, history, economics) is where there is the most political diversity and the most push for political diversity. In the sciences, there are very few conservatives but political views in the sciences are not taken into consideration (or even known) when hiring. Yes, a potential candidate in biology who doesn't believe in evolution would likely not be hired if he had somehow published papers containing these views -- that person would never even make the first cut unless it was at a very conservative, religious school.

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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [schroeder] [ In reply to ]
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Universities who are always pushing for 'diversity' seem to stop at diverse points of view especially when it means hiring more conservative professors.


I don't agree. In the university departments where it matters most (political science, history, economics) is where there is the most political diversity and the most push for political diversity. In the sciences, there are very few conservatives but political views in the sciences are not taken into consideration (or even known) when hiring. Yes, a potential candidate in biology who doesn't believe in evolution would likely not be hired if he had somehow published papers containing these views -- that person would never even make the first cut unless it was at a very conservative, religious school.

In the liberal art colleges the numbers are staggering...
Mitchell Langbert, an associate professor of business at Brooklyn College, published a study of the political affiliations of faculty members at 51 of the 66 liberal-arts colleges ranked highest by U.S. News in 2017. The findings are eye-popping (even if they do not come as a great surprise to many people in academia).
Democrats dominate most fields. In religion, Langbert’s survey found that the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is 70-to-1. In music, it is 33-to-1. In biology, it is 21-to-1. In philosophy, history and psychology, it is 17-to-1. In political science, it is 8-to-1.
The gap is narrower in science and engineering. In physics, economics and mathematics, the ratio is about 6-to-1. In chemistry, it is 5-to-1, and in engineering, it is just 1.6-to-1. Still, Lambert found no field in which Republicans are more numerous than Democrats.
True, these figures do not include the many professors who do not have a political affiliation, either because they are not registered at all or because they have not declared themselves as Democrats or Republicans. And, true, the ratios vary dramatically across colleges.
None of the 51 colleges had more Republicans than Democrats. According to the survey, more than a third of them had no Republicans at all.
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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [patentattorney] [ In reply to ]
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because he rides the bike so hard. but he needs a good coach.

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Re: Why do young people like Sanders? [Hispid] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, let's please increase spending because the current and/or former administration's increased spending.
To say "you can't ask how it will get paid for" is irresponsible.
Damn we need a third party.
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