Masspike sign (route 90) sign from 1960's

More political correctness (again).

Really its not a Maine thing, it's a generation / loudest voice thing. It just takes one vocal group, to get the whole thing thrown out, even if the silent majority or previous generations approved. Once there gone, there will be no going back. So over time, the vocal anti-Native American mascot crowd will get there where and even the schools that honored their traditions, will move on. I truly wonder who / what is really behind the movement, the long term play really is the removal of native american knowledge/ history in front of people.

I get eliminating the Chiefs / Redskins / Warriors they are generic terms, but Tribal names seem like a positive thing.. Really how much in free advertisements are the tribes getting.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

The Detroit FlyTraps..

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I don't get it.. Listening to the girls comments, and others. I mean I love the mascot, but then i got the impression, it wasn't done by a group of white guys, it was done by others as an attempt to put the shoe on the other foot. Did whites really get mad about it??

Would love to read more about this.

I would love to see an expansion team in one of the pro sports come out with the Whiteskins.. looks like team logo is done

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I live in the last district in Maine to remove our Indian mascot, and I worked on getting this bill passed. The local tribes had asked the district to cease and desist for years. This was a very positive step here.

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That's not what was happening here (I'm a Mainer, live in the district that was the last to remove our Indian mascots). Our town was VERY stereotypical about it - would run around with "Scalp towels" and stuff. THe local tribes asked for the mascot to be removed.

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The Maine tribes asked for this bill - different relationship - they were being very stereotyped. It sounds like in some places, that's not the case; here it was.

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I worked on getting this bill passed, and I can tell you who's behind it: the tribes of Maine who asked for it, and those of us who allied with them. Our state has a law requiring Native American history to be taught, but it hasn't been happening in many districts. Having an "Indian" mascot doesn't remove history - it removes stereotypes. My town had people at sports games with "scalp towels" and other "Indian" trinkets that were not even representative of tribes in this area. Removing the stereotypical stuff and doing a better job of teaching the history will keep the knowledge and history alive, and will do a much better job of it than the loinclothed image on the high school wall.

Fortunately, you're not the one I have to convince - the legislature and senate were - and we did it. I was there for the signing on Thursday.

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That's great and where that is the case, this action makes sense. But, in the world of the perpetually offended school like Central Michigan and Florida State get cast in a negative light despite their close relationships with the Tribes their mascots honor.

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I understand completely. When I went to Eastern Michigan we were the Hurons. Then they changed the name to the Eagles. Needless to say they've never gotten a donation from me.

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"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."

I did not go to Marquette, but, being a Milwaukee school, I have followed the basketball team for years. There was huge outcry when they changed the name from the Warriors to the Golden Eagles. There was no push to make this change. This was simply the Administration acting completely on its own. I simply do not understand the objection to the name Warriors. That is a term that can be applied to a wide range well beyond Native Americans.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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I simply do not understand the objection to the name Warriors.
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Maybe someone saw the movie, The Warriors, and thought that somehow the name glamorized violence.

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http://tri-banter.blogspot.com/

Marquette cited to Native Americans.

Never mind the fact that the school is located in Milwaukee (Algonquian word Millioke, meaning "Good", "Beautiful" and "Pleasant Land"), Wisconsin (The word Wisconsin originates from the name given to the Wisconsin River by one of the Algonquian-speaking Native American groups living in the region at the time of European contact).

We have too many cities named by Native Americans to list. It's a bit crazy to claim there was anything offensive about "Warriors".

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Dude, don’t you know? It’s a “source of pain and anguish”!

You need to get your mind right.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Would seem a better move for the tribe would have been to work with the school, to educate and partner with them. Its a lot of free advertising they just threw away. And a HUGE opportunity to educate other's about who they are and get respect for their heritage..Instead they will just disappear, really sad.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

On this we can agree to disagree. I prefer re-education, over banishment.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

But what was their mascot or logo?

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

1979 Marquette student Mark Denning (a Native American). He posed for the logo. If they wanted to change the logo, they could have easily done so without changing the name. Denning was stunned when the name and logo was changed to the Golden Eagles.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Should have gone to some pacific Island and worked with them and changed it to the warrior's of their background... thinking of the All Blacks, ... Hmmm how long till some mid major or bigger college, decides to sell out and partner with some group / race / tribe / clan whatever and draw attention to them by changing their name. I could see some small country wanting to get its name out there being open to this..

The University of Michigan Fijian Warriors. They could hold football camps on the islands..

I'll contribute $50 if we can get a univ to become the Fighting Whities.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Marquette should have changed to the Fighting Farleys.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Hmmm, I think Indiana should change its name.. its offensive.
http://mentalfloss.com/...ates-got-their-names


The state's name means "Indian Land" or "Land of the Indians," named so for the Indian tribes that lived there when white settlers arrived. While its meaning might be simple enough, the way it got the name is a little more interesting. At the end of the French and Indian War, the French were forced out of the Ohio Valley, so a Philadelphia trading company moved in to monopolize trade with the Indians in the area. At the time, the tribes of the Iroquois had already formed a confederacy and conquered territory beyond their home lands, subjugating other tribes and treating them as tributaries. In the fall of 1763, members of the Shawnee and other tribes who were tributary to the Iroquois Confederacy conducted raids on traders from the Philadelphia company and stole their goods. The company complained to the chiefs of the Iroquois Confederacy and demanded restitution. The chiefs accepted responsibility for the behavior of their tributaries, but did not have the money to pay off the debt. Instead, when making a boundary treaty with the English five years later, the chiefs gave a 5,000-square-mile tract of land to the Philadelphia company, which accepted the land as payment.
The land's new owners, in the search for a name, noted a trend in the way states and countries in both the Old World and New World were named. Bulgaria was the land of the Bulgars, Pennsylvania was the woodland of Penn, etc. They decided to honor the people to whom the land originally belonged and from whom it had been obtained and named it Indiana, land of the Indians. The year the colonies declared their independence from Britain, the Indiana land was transferred to a new company, who wanted to sell it. Some of the land, though, was within the boundaries of Virginia, which claimed that it had jurisdiction over the land's settlers and forbade the company from selling it. In 1779, the company asked Congress to settle the matter. It made an attempt, but, still operating under Articles of Confederation, had no power to compel Virginia to do anything. The argument eventually went to the United States Supreme Court, but Virginia's government officials, strong believers in states' rights, refused to become involved with a federal court and ignored the summons to appear. In the meantime, Virginia's politicians worked to secure the Eleventh Amendment, which protected the states' sovereign immunity from being sued in federal court by someone of another state or country (and was proposed in response to a Supreme Court case dealing with Georgia's refusal to appear to hear a suit against itself, in which the Supreme Court decided against Georgia).
After the amendment was passed and ratified, the company's suit was dismissed and it lost its claim to the land, which was absorbed by Virginia. The name would come back in 1800, when Congress carved the state of Ohio out of the Northwest Territory and gave the name "Indiana" to the remaining territorial land and, 16 years later, a new state.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I'm not surprised if more tribes will adopt this attitude because that is what is being presented to them in the cultural climate in school and the media for quite some time but seems to be growing exponentially as of late, that they should be upset, insulted and angry and there is no alternative way to view this. If this is the narrative you are being spoon fed growing up you will certainly get more upset,insulted and angry native American's over time. Kumbaya, sounds like a good plan for harmony and bringing people together.

No one is being banished. The indigenous people still live in the community, and they're happy that they will no longer be stereotyped. No amount of education would, in their opinion, make up for the stereotypical mascot we had, and that's why it had to go. We're also working on the district's adherence to the law to educate students about Native Americans. THEY are the people being stereotyped - THEY get to choose. People are not mascots; it is dehumanizing to put them at the same level as dogs etc.

The research is VERY clear that Native American mascots hamper children's intellectual and social development - the American Psychological Association, American Sociological Association, and other professional bodies have done extensive lit reviews and issued position statements to that effect. Kids grow up with stereotypical images of Native Americans.

Would it be ok with you to have the Jews be a school mascot? The N******? I suspect not. The same is true here.

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maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
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I thought you were in flyover country