Sad... My daughter goes to Central Michigan Univ. The Chippewas.. named after a local tribe. The tribe is very involved with the university, they hold events throughout the school year. The kids are educated about appropriate and inappropriate face painting, and hand gestures. Its a great relationship and gets more people to learn about the first residents of those lands.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Next will be the important ban on using animals as mascots.

The San Francisco Soy Boys

Minnesota Vegans

LA Gluten Frees

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This. My schools mascot was named after the local Seneca tribe. Very much the same way, involved and it the name was to honor them. They even had the medicine man paint the basketball court logo to make sure the headdress was correct. Few years later NCAA cracked down on the names.

Na id say mythical creatures is next. Like the st. Louis Billiken.

This.

BTW, I travel to Mount Pleasant at least 2-3 times per year for one of my clients. I really enjoy Central Michigan University. Also, I love the "new" hotel that overlooks the football field.

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So you're going to discriminate against schools and tribes that have working relationships?

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Both my son and daughter are Central alum.

Me, I'm a Bulldog and a Bronco (Ferris State & Western).

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Wonder how long the UMass Minutemen have - their mascot has a gun.

Hopefully, the criminals won’t get banned. Yuma Union HS Criminals.

Its a Maine business.
from the article:
"While Indian mascots were often originally chosen to recognize and honor a school's unique connection to Native American communities in Maine, we have heard clearly and unequivocally from Maine tribes that they are a source of pain and anguish,"

"Ambassador Maulian Dana of the Penobscot Nation said she has been fighting to change Native American mascots since she was a teenager."

see my reply to Dave. I am not arguing that Central MI should do anything.

Then if it's a State issue, which it is. Why make a sweeping ignorant statement at the top?

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apparently there were discussions to change it. Not just the gun. This Mascot thing is a whole world by itself.

http://scua.library.umass.edu/...oku.php?id=m:mascots

The Fighting Whities

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I prefer The Amazon Shorties

we should all used Mascots that reference flowers, veggies, fruits (passion) health products. anything that will get us closer to nature and better people.....
How about: The UMass Artichokes

why not reading the damn article first? but I get your point/

what do you think about the Redskins, a pro sport franchise. There were talk on that for quite sometime. I say it boils down to money. Same way that public schools rely on funding from the state.

At this juncture I don't see the Redskins changing their moniker. And I really really don't care about it. I don't get mad at SDSU having the Aztecs as a mascot...even though there were no Aztecs in Southern California...

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the anteaters

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UC Irvine. The Anteaters. (Zots!). Blasphemy.

#animallivesmatter

Oh fuck off with that bullshit.

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Nicely played.


The Fighting Whites were an intramural basketball team formed at the University of Northern Colorado in 2002 and named in response to the Native American mascot controversy.

The Mighty Arabs

Coachella Valley High School officially changed its school mascot to "the Mighty Arabs,"

I am into this.

Masspike sign (route 90) sign from 1960's

More political correctness (again).

Really its not a Maine thing, it's a generation / loudest voice thing. It just takes one vocal group, to get the whole thing thrown out, even if the silent majority or previous generations approved. Once there gone, there will be no going back. So over time, the vocal anti-Native American mascot crowd will get there where and even the schools that honored their traditions, will move on. I truly wonder who / what is really behind the movement, the long term play really is the removal of native american knowledge/ history in front of people.

I get eliminating the Chiefs / Redskins / Warriors they are generic terms, but Tribal names seem like a positive thing.. Really how much in free advertisements are the tribes getting.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

The Detroit FlyTraps..

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Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I don't get it.. Listening to the girls comments, and others. I mean I love the mascot, but then i got the impression, it wasn't done by a group of white guys, it was done by others as an attempt to put the shoe on the other foot. Did whites really get mad about it??

Would love to read more about this.

I would love to see an expansion team in one of the pro sports come out with the Whiteskins.. looks like team logo is done

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I live in the last district in Maine to remove our Indian mascot, and I worked on getting this bill passed. The local tribes had asked the district to cease and desist for years. This was a very positive step here.

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That's not what was happening here (I'm a Mainer, live in the district that was the last to remove our Indian mascots). Our town was VERY stereotypical about it - would run around with "Scalp towels" and stuff. THe local tribes asked for the mascot to be removed.

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The Maine tribes asked for this bill - different relationship - they were being very stereotyped. It sounds like in some places, that's not the case; here it was.

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I worked on getting this bill passed, and I can tell you who's behind it: the tribes of Maine who asked for it, and those of us who allied with them. Our state has a law requiring Native American history to be taught, but it hasn't been happening in many districts. Having an "Indian" mascot doesn't remove history - it removes stereotypes. My town had people at sports games with "scalp towels" and other "Indian" trinkets that were not even representative of tribes in this area. Removing the stereotypical stuff and doing a better job of teaching the history will keep the knowledge and history alive, and will do a much better job of it than the loinclothed image on the high school wall.

Fortunately, you're not the one I have to convince - the legislature and senate were - and we did it. I was there for the signing on Thursday.

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That's great and where that is the case, this action makes sense. But, in the world of the perpetually offended school like Central Michigan and Florida State get cast in a negative light despite their close relationships with the Tribes their mascots honor.

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I understand completely. When I went to Eastern Michigan we were the Hurons. Then they changed the name to the Eagles. Needless to say they've never gotten a donation from me.

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I did not go to Marquette, but, being a Milwaukee school, I have followed the basketball team for years. There was huge outcry when they changed the name from the Warriors to the Golden Eagles. There was no push to make this change. This was simply the Administration acting completely on its own. I simply do not understand the objection to the name Warriors. That is a term that can be applied to a wide range well beyond Native Americans.

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I simply do not understand the objection to the name Warriors.
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Maybe someone saw the movie, The Warriors, and thought that somehow the name glamorized violence.

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http://tri-banter.blogspot.com/

Marquette cited to Native Americans.

Never mind the fact that the school is located in Milwaukee (Algonquian word Millioke, meaning "Good", "Beautiful" and "Pleasant Land"), Wisconsin (The word Wisconsin originates from the name given to the Wisconsin River by one of the Algonquian-speaking Native American groups living in the region at the time of European contact).

We have too many cities named by Native Americans to list. It's a bit crazy to claim there was anything offensive about "Warriors".

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Dude, don’t you know? It’s a “source of pain and anguish”!

You need to get your mind right.

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Would seem a better move for the tribe would have been to work with the school, to educate and partner with them. Its a lot of free advertising they just threw away. And a HUGE opportunity to educate other's about who they are and get respect for their heritage..Instead they will just disappear, really sad.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

On this we can agree to disagree. I prefer re-education, over banishment.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

But what was their mascot or logo?

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Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

1979 Marquette student Mark Denning (a Native American). He posed for the logo. If they wanted to change the logo, they could have easily done so without changing the name. Denning was stunned when the name and logo was changed to the Golden Eagles.

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Should have gone to some pacific Island and worked with them and changed it to the warrior's of their background... thinking of the All Blacks, ... Hmmm how long till some mid major or bigger college, decides to sell out and partner with some group / race / tribe / clan whatever and draw attention to them by changing their name. I could see some small country wanting to get its name out there being open to this..

The University of Michigan Fijian Warriors. They could hold football camps on the islands..

I'll contribute $50 if we can get a univ to become the Fighting Whities.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Marquette should have changed to the Fighting Farleys.

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Hmmm, I think Indiana should change its name.. its offensive.
http://mentalfloss.com/...ates-got-their-names


The state's name means "Indian Land" or "Land of the Indians," named so for the Indian tribes that lived there when white settlers arrived. While its meaning might be simple enough, the way it got the name is a little more interesting. At the end of the French and Indian War, the French were forced out of the Ohio Valley, so a Philadelphia trading company moved in to monopolize trade with the Indians in the area. At the time, the tribes of the Iroquois had already formed a confederacy and conquered territory beyond their home lands, subjugating other tribes and treating them as tributaries. In the fall of 1763, members of the Shawnee and other tribes who were tributary to the Iroquois Confederacy conducted raids on traders from the Philadelphia company and stole their goods. The company complained to the chiefs of the Iroquois Confederacy and demanded restitution. The chiefs accepted responsibility for the behavior of their tributaries, but did not have the money to pay off the debt. Instead, when making a boundary treaty with the English five years later, the chiefs gave a 5,000-square-mile tract of land to the Philadelphia company, which accepted the land as payment.
The land's new owners, in the search for a name, noted a trend in the way states and countries in both the Old World and New World were named. Bulgaria was the land of the Bulgars, Pennsylvania was the woodland of Penn, etc. They decided to honor the people to whom the land originally belonged and from whom it had been obtained and named it Indiana, land of the Indians. The year the colonies declared their independence from Britain, the Indiana land was transferred to a new company, who wanted to sell it. Some of the land, though, was within the boundaries of Virginia, which claimed that it had jurisdiction over the land's settlers and forbade the company from selling it. In 1779, the company asked Congress to settle the matter. It made an attempt, but, still operating under Articles of Confederation, had no power to compel Virginia to do anything. The argument eventually went to the United States Supreme Court, but Virginia's government officials, strong believers in states' rights, refused to become involved with a federal court and ignored the summons to appear. In the meantime, Virginia's politicians worked to secure the Eleventh Amendment, which protected the states' sovereign immunity from being sued in federal court by someone of another state or country (and was proposed in response to a Supreme Court case dealing with Georgia's refusal to appear to hear a suit against itself, in which the Supreme Court decided against Georgia).
After the amendment was passed and ratified, the company's suit was dismissed and it lost its claim to the land, which was absorbed by Virginia. The name would come back in 1800, when Congress carved the state of Ohio out of the Northwest Territory and gave the name "Indiana" to the remaining territorial land and, 16 years later, a new state.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I'm not surprised if more tribes will adopt this attitude because that is what is being presented to them in the cultural climate in school and the media for quite some time but seems to be growing exponentially as of late, that they should be upset, insulted and angry and there is no alternative way to view this. If this is the narrative you are being spoon fed growing up you will certainly get more upset,insulted and angry native American's over time. Kumbaya, sounds like a good plan for harmony and bringing people together.

No one is being banished. The indigenous people still live in the community, and they're happy that they will no longer be stereotyped. No amount of education would, in their opinion, make up for the stereotypical mascot we had, and that's why it had to go. We're also working on the district's adherence to the law to educate students about Native Americans. THEY are the people being stereotyped - THEY get to choose. People are not mascots; it is dehumanizing to put them at the same level as dogs etc.

The research is VERY clear that Native American mascots hamper children's intellectual and social development - the American Psychological Association, American Sociological Association, and other professional bodies have done extensive lit reviews and issued position statements to that effect. Kids grow up with stereotypical images of Native Americans.

Would it be ok with you to have the Jews be a school mascot? The N******? I suspect not. The same is true here.

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I thought you were in flyover country

From one bird to another? Man that's some hardcore ornithology

Dr. Tigerchik wrote:

OK during the academic calendar, ME in the summer

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And you jumped the shark. Calling Shenanigans

You seem to be late to the party... I WANT THE FIGHTING WHITIES.. I'll settle for the FIGHTING Europeans though.

I know your talking H.S. and we were talking College which to me is 2 very different things.

Your post either through ignorance or purpose twists some of my words and meanings, and I don't feel like having a debate on this with you now.

So as I said I will agree to disagree. -- I can tell you far more people in this area knew of and about the Hurons when Eastern Michigan was the Hurons, now there the .. eagles/falcons I don't know but the Tribe lost a lot of attention and free publicity. The Chippewa nation, seems to be doing a good job, the University cracked down years ago on all the things your talking about, and got with the tribal elders to make it a positive for all. There is no reason ZERO why a mascot should be viewed as a negative thing, they are celebrated. Your right, I cant imagine a school using ethnicity as a mascot.

Notre Dame -- FIGHTING IRISH
Mich. State Univ -- SPARTANS
Case Western Reserve Univ -- SPARTANS
UCLA -- TROJANS
Oh I am sure there will be other folks to add more so sure you want the Jews to be a mascot no problem.. How about the Rolling Rabbi's LOVE IT. Maybe someone want the Fondeling Priest.. er well maybe not..

ah shit now you got me Googling
New York Knicks -- short for Knickerbockers refers to dutch settlers of New York
OH NO there is the Allen Americans in Texas.. we all should be offend.. I hear these days they all put on Orange wigs and grab some... before games.


And everyone in Houston is offended by the Texans
Lets all be glad there are not any teams called the Yankees now that would really piss off us Northerners.
Then there are the Americans in Rochester New York


So as not to neglect our Moose Loving, Maple syrup cartel friends to the North are you offended by the Canadians from Montreal (and no I don't mean offended by their hockey skills or lack there off)


Lets all raise a pitchfork against the Boston Celtics.. While we are at it.


Hmm is the Pharaohs offensive (Egyptian football team)


We also have the Brooklyn Italians


Oh shit now I have to be offended as I am a descendant from this group.. the Vikings.


The England Saxons will be looking for a new mascot in Rugby next year.


In California of all places we have the "Mighty Arabs"


California also has the Athenians Well save myself if you want a list of teams derived from Greeks and Romans just go here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/...fter_Greek_antiquity

Another Michigan school the Albion Britons

or the Ragin' Cajun's of Louisiana

then there are the Dutchman.. and 2 Flying Dutchman.
Lots of Gaels also.. had to google what they are

OH my the list of Fighting Scots and Highlanders is just way to long to get into

don't forget the Wayne State Tartans.. and others who use that. (actually I think Wayne state may have changed LOL they did to.. The Warriors )

I kinda like the Idaho Vandals

Spartans got their own page

anyhow.. enough fun ..

Oh I know lavander room and all but here is the source of my new found knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...eam_and_mascot_names

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I was hoping you would chime in, but boy, little did I know. Good for you.

So instead of teaching the to respect the tribe and there history, and bringing in people from the tribe and working together, and discipling people for inappropriate behavior.

Its better to just change the mascot and try to teach them yourself, when they have no reason to care anymore? Sorry I just don't see how removing a tribe as a mascot is a good thing.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I personally don't see a problem with names like Warries or Braves but Redskins could be a topic for discussion. Just saying.

let me tell you something. One of the major crossing of the Hudson River in NY is the Tappan Zee Bridge. The name is derived from Indian and Dutch origin. Tappan was an Indian tribe and Zee is a Dutch word for large body of water. There are also towns called Tappan and Old Tappan in the area. A new bridge was recently built to replace the old one. Gov. Andrew Cuomo pushed for it against lots of criticism. It is a success story, imo. He decided and successfully passed it, that the bridge will be renamed Governor Mario Cuomo (GMC) bridge (after his late father that was a governor of NY). That caused a lot of uproar in the area as people wanted the name to still be the same or The New Tappan Zee Bridge. That is just to show you the some of such intiatives starts from the top, regardless of people wishes.
The funny part is that signs east of the river call it the GMC bridge and sings on the west side (going east) still have it as the Tappan Zee Bridge. But that is probably because a lot of cars from out of state are using the bridge east bound.

That has a nice ring to it.

LA Fake Tits was taken.

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I don't understand.

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He doesn’t believe you on that point.

He’s calling BS.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

https://www.apa.org/...urces/indian-mascots

That says it hampers American Indian children.

Correct. I thought that's what DTC reffered to. If not, than we need her to clarify.

 

The tribes said that they would feel respected by removing the mascot and increasing curricular attention to local indigenous history.

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Great, but your talking specific's no reason to ban ALL usage's for all. The individual school and tribe should be able to make that desicison, no reason for the state to make a ruling effecting all Public Univ, colleges, H.S. etc just for one H.S.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

I'm just glad my school's mascot is safe from all this PC stuff...

Go Beavers!