Did you read what you wrote? Taxi companies lease the cars to drivers. That means the taxi company owned the vehicles. Lyft doesn’t own any vehicles. That is a very, very, very, bright line!

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Sorry, no, you don't pay the driver. You pay Uber and Lyft who then pay the driver. Unlike you, I am not speculating on this.

No I don't

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Most... except of course private homes, which is what AirBnB rents out.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Did you read what you wrote? "A taxi company owns the vehicles and employs the drivers."

That is quite simply not true in many cases - the drivers are contractors who lease the cabs.

I suggest you research the case law on joint employer status with cab drivers.

Then reread your erroneous assertion.

EDIT TO ADD: https://www.shrm.org/...dent-contractor.aspx

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And the driver is not getting paid the full fee. Uber and Lyft are taking a % of revenue as their cut, not just a flat surcharge. Therefore, I think they are in the transportation business, as that is how they are generating revenue. They aren’t merely matching a driver to rider, they are profiting off the entire ride.

Oh so when I buy something at a store I'm paying Square. Got it.

Well you thinking it doesn't make it so. Do you know that MasterCard and Visa charge a variable rate.

This is a terrible analogy are using. You're falling into the same trap that JSA did.

Lyft promotes the shit out of itself. It promotes that it can get you from point A to point B in a reasonable time at a reasonable price. That is how it has grown and succeeded. Yet you two Midwest dolts want to argue they aren't a transportation company?

Square is not out promoting or managing the marketing for its merchants. It markets its services, which are taking payment and providing some cash register services. Your analogy is so terrible you should be ashamed of yourself.



Sure, Lyft is a tech company, because that isn't an ad offering rides. Hmmmmm.

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Here is another ad for Lyft. Funny I don't see anywhere where it is offering technology services. In fact, it's offering rides, much like a transportation company!!!!

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I agree and I think the lawsuit is stupid. It is beyond unreasonable to expect every Uber/Lyft driver to have a vehicle that accommodates all disabilities.

Yes it would but how would the lawyers get paid?

JSA did not fall into any trap. JSA knows the law. Also, JSA isn't a fucking idiot like the poster to whom he is responding.

How many transportation vehicles does Lyft own?

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Yep, offering rides on all the vehicles they own ...

Travelocity offers flights. You probably consider them to be in the airline business.

Wait, Travelocity also offers hotels ... so ... they must be in the hotel business, right?

Wait ... hold on ... they also offer rental cars, so, they are in the rental car business!

LOL!

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What cracks me up is there are people who think that Taxis are some kind of golden chariot for disabled people.

Yep.

For an example of how the courts view the application of the ADA to tax cabs, see:

Noel v. NY City Taxi & Limousine Comm'n, No. 12-41 (2d Cir. 2012)
Two people who use wheelchairs and organizations that represent persons with disabilities brought a class action against the New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission and the TLC Commissioner for violation of Parts A and B of Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and the New York City Human Rights Law. The district court granted plaintiffs partial summary judgment as to liability on the ADA claim and entered a temporary injunction, requiring that all new taxi medallions and street-hail livery licenses be limited to vehicles that are wheelchair accessible until the TLC proposes and the district court approves a comprehensive plan to provide meaningful access to taxi service for wheelchair-bound passengers. The Second Circuit vacated the temporary injunction as improvidently granted. Although the TLC exercises pervasive control over the taxi industry in New York City, defendants were not required by Title II(A) to deploy their licensing and regulatory authority to mandate that persons who need wheelchairs be afforded meaningful access to taxis.

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CaptainCanada thinks Travelocity is in the airline industry. Here's his evidence:

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Oh! Wait, now CaptainCanada has evidence Travelocity is in the hotel business!

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Wait! CaptainCanada offers definitive proof Travelocity is in the airline business!!! See that? That's an AIRPORT, buddy! Busted!!!

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I also find it interesting in addition to getting paid for rides Lyft requires their drivers to be licensed, insured and most importantly have cars if they are not a transportation company. I can see a lawyer making the case that Lyft just connects people who need rides with drivers that are available. I can't see any jury buying that line of BS athough OJ did get acquitted.

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Lyft doesn't have drivers. Lyft doesn't own any vehicles.

AirBnB requires those who offer lodging to legally own the property, be insured, be in compliance with federal and local laws for rental properties, and actually have lodging. Reservations are booked on AirBnB's website and AireBnB takes a portion of the amount paid through the AirBnB website. Does that make AirBnB a lodging company? How many properties does AirBnB own?

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Payment processors require things like not being a criminal enterprise. Your reasoning is specious and illogical

You are the OP and seemed surprised the ADA may not apply to Lyft. I posted this above, but, you may not have seen it. Here is how the Second Circuit Court of Appeals views the application of the ADA to NYC taxis:

Noel v. NY City Taxi & Limousine Comm'n, No. 12-41 (2d Cir. 2012)
Two people who use wheelchairs and organizations that represent persons with disabilities brought a class action against the New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission and the TLC Commissioner for violation of Parts A and B of Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and the New York City Human Rights Law. The district court granted plaintiffs partial summary judgment as to liability on the ADA claim and entered a temporary injunction, requiring that all new taxi medallions and street-hail livery licenses be limited to vehicles that are wheelchair accessible until the TLC proposes and the district court approves a comprehensive plan to provide meaningful access to taxi service for wheelchair-bound passengers. The Second Circuit vacated the temporary injunction as improvidently granted. Although the TLC exercises pervasive control over the taxi industry in New York City, defendants were not required by Title II(A) to deploy their licensing and regulatory authority to mandate that persons who need wheelchairs be afforded meaningful access to taxis.

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Uber sets rates, essentially dictating how much a driver can make.

Uber controls tipping, to an extent. (The app now allows it, but only provides minimal options.)

Uber provides insurance, even though the driver also has to meet and insurance requirement.

Uber requires drivers to submit to a background check.

Uber markets (or at least attempts to market) the safety and qualify of its service.

Uber pays the driver.

Drivers don't know the final destination until they pick up the passenger. Uber withholds this information until after the driver has committed resources to the ride, at which point the driver has to follow through.

There are probably more points where Uber inserts itself into the driver/passenger relationship and controls how that works.

So while Uber may not be an employer, it's also not the equivalent of a ride-sharing bulletin board on a college campus that students can visit to find a ride home for the weekend or holiday. It's much more involved in every single ride.