Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply

May 4, 19 8:08

Post #1 of 108 (2827 views)

My first thought was this is a load of B.S. My second too;

"In response to multiple discrimination lawsuits, Lyft argued that “it is not in the transportation business” and therefore should not be troubled by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Instead, Lyft argues, it is a technology company."

https://gizmodo.com/...siness-so-1834514668

"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [jkca1] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 12:30

Post #2 of 108 (2749 views)

I see their line of reasoning. They just make an app, and the drivers who use their app are responsible for the transportation.

That's going to be increasingly hard to spin in the future, though, as both Uber and Lyft are spending vast amounts in the race to self-driving cars. And that technology is going directly onto vehicles vs. just the phone of the driver.

Last edited by: trail: May 4, 19 12:30

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [jkca1] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 12:31

Post #3 of 108 (2743 views)

jkca1 wrote:

My first thought was this is a load of B.S. My second too;

"In response to multiple discrimination lawsuits, Lyft argued that “it is not in the transportation business” and therefore should not be troubled by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Instead, Lyft argues, it is a technology company."

https://gizmodo.com/...siness-so-1834514668

Why is it BS? Do they drive people?

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [windywave] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 12:34

Post #4 of 108 (2738 views)

windywave wrote:

jkca1 wrote:

My first thought was this is a load of B.S. My second too;

"In response to multiple discrimination lawsuits, Lyft argued that “it is not in the transportation business” and therefore should not be troubled by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Instead, Lyft argues, it is a technology company."

https://gizmodo.com/...siness-so-1834514668

Why is it BS? Do they drive people?

Did you read the article? Take another look at page 3 of the S-1 form Lyft recently filed with the SEC in the lead-up to the company’s $25 billion IPO. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck, even if you want to call it a chicken.

"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [jkca1] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 12:36

Post #5 of 108 (2736 views)

jkca1 wrote:

windywave wrote:

jkca1 wrote:

My first thought was this is a load of B.S. My second too;

"In response to multiple discrimination lawsuits, Lyft argued that “it is not in the transportation business” and therefore should not be troubled by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Instead, Lyft argues, it is a technology company."

https://gizmodo.com/...siness-so-1834514668

Why is it BS? Do they drive people?

Did you read the article? Take another look at page 3 of the S-1 form Lyft recently filed with the SEC in the lead-up to the company’s $25 billion IPO. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck, even if you want to call it a chicken.

No.

I will read and then revert.

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [windywave] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 12:38

Post #6 of 108 (2730 views)

windywave wrote:

jkca1 wrote:

windywave wrote:

jkca1 wrote:

My first thought was this is a load of B.S. My second too;

"In response to multiple discrimination lawsuits, Lyft argued that “it is not in the transportation business” and therefore should not be troubled by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Instead, Lyft argues, it is a technology company."

https://gizmodo.com/...siness-so-1834514668

Why is it BS? Do they drive people?

Did you read the article? Take another look at page 3 of the S-1 form Lyft recently filed with the SEC in the lead-up to the company’s $25 billion IPO. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck, even if you want to call it a chicken.

No.

I will read and then revert.

Read it. Nothing in my mind changed. They are effectively a broker matching transportation seeker with transportation provider.

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [windywave] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 14:05

Post #7 of 108 (2690 views)

So let's agree to disagree and see how this plays out in the courts.

"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [windywave] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 14:17

Post #8 of 108 (2684 views)

windywave wrote:

Read it. Nothing in my mind changed. They are effectively a broker matching transportation seeker with transportation provider.

"not in the transportation business." :)

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [jkca1] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 14:47

Post #9 of 108 (2661 views)

Hasn't ride sharing actually benefitted a lot of people with disabilities who can't drive safely? Maybe they don't support all disabled people, but the lowered cost of transportation does have benefit to many people with disabilities. Especially older people who shouldn't be driving. I would rather see them using ride sharing than getting handicap placards and driving.

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [jkca1] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 14:58

Post #10 of 108 (2655 views)

jkca1 wrote:

So let's agree to disagree and see how this plays out in the courts.

Fair enough.

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [jkca1] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 17:06

Post #11 of 108 (2600 views)

jkca1 wrote:

My first thought was this is a load of B.S. My second too;

"In response to multiple discrimination lawsuits, Lyft argued that “it is not in the transportation business” and therefore should not be troubled by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Instead, Lyft argues, it is a technology company."

https://gizmodo.com/...siness-so-1834514668

I believe AirBnB would make the same claim.

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Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [jkca1] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:00

Post #12 of 108 (2582 views)

Would the solution to this be for Lyft to update the app to let disabled passengers request a handicapped-accessible ride and match their request to drivers who can accommodate them?

I miss YaHey

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [Justgeorge] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:13

Post #13 of 108 (2577 views)

Justgeorge wrote:

Would the solution to this be for Lyft to update the app to let disabled passengers request a handicapped-accessible ride and match their request to drivers who can accommodate them?

Yes. It is required of the taxi industry. Uber and Lyft spend a lot of money buying, er, donating to campaign funds, to get laws rewritten.

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [Bumble Bee] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:17

Post #14 of 108 (2571 views)

Bumble Bee wrote:

Justgeorge wrote:

Would the solution to this be for Lyft to update the app to let disabled passengers request a handicapped-accessible ride and match their request to drivers who can accommodate them?

Yes. It is required of the taxi industry. Uber and Lyft spend a lot of money buying, er, donating to campaign funds, to get laws rewritten.

Unlike the taxi industry... because they never had politicians in their pocket enforcing artificial scarcity to detriment of consumers, which includes disabled people.

The whole reason the taxi industry existed is because they owned politicians.

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [Bumble Bee] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:24

Post #15 of 108 (2564 views)

Bumble Bee wrote:

Justgeorge wrote:

Would the solution to this be for Lyft to update the app to let disabled passengers request a handicapped-accessible ride and match their request to drivers who can accommodate them?

Yes. It is required of the taxi industry. Uber and Lyft spend a lot of money buying, er, donating to campaign funds, to get laws rewritten.

You don't see the difference between a taxi and a ride share company?

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [DavHamm] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:32

Post #16 of 108 (2555 views)

AirBnB is an interesting angle. I wonder if they are required to have wheelchair or handicap accessible options (ramps, bathrooms) as part of their available rentals.

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Last edited by: Endo: May 4, 19 18:34

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [jkca1] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:33

Post #17 of 108 (2551 views)

Is Travelocity in the transportation business?

What about Turo? Is it in the transportation business?

Autotrader. Are they in the transportation business? Do they sell transportation vehicles?

Is Grubhub in the restaurant business?

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Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [Endo] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:34

Post #18 of 108 (2546 views)

Endo wrote:

AirBnB is an interesting angle. I wonder if they are required to have wheelchair or handicap accessible options (ramps, bathrooms) as part of their available options.

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THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE. (Side note most buildings are required to be ADA compliant)

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [Endo] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:34

Post #19 of 108 (2546 views)

Endo wrote:

AirBnB is an interesting angle. I wonder if they are required to have wheelchair or handicap accessible options (ramps, bathrooms) as part of their available rentals.
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Nope. AirBnB does not provide lodging. It connects those seeking lodging with those offering lodging.

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Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [JSA] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:35

Post #20 of 108 (2543 views)

JSA wrote:

Is Travelocity in the transportation business?

What about Turo? Is it in the transportation business?

Autotrader. Are they in the transportation business? Do they sell transportation vehicles?

Is Grubhub in the restaurant business?

Preach it brother

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [windywave] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:40

Post #21 of 108 (2540 views)

windywave wrote:

Endo wrote:

AirBnB is an interesting angle. I wonder if they are required to have wheelchair or handicap accessible options (ramps, bathrooms) as part of their available options.

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THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE. (Side note most buildings are required to be ADA compliant)

True. But, many (probably most) places on AirBnB are private residences that are not required to be ADA compliant. That said, your first comment is spot on.

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Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [trail] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:42

Post #22 of 108 (2534 views)

trail wrote:

windywave wrote:

Read it. Nothing in my mind changed. They are effectively a broker matching transportation seeker with transportation provider.

"not in the transportation business." :)

And Grubhub now provides public transportation ...

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Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [JSA] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:42

Post #23 of 108 (2530 views)

JSA wrote:

windywave wrote:

Endo wrote:

AirBnB is an interesting angle. I wonder if they are required to have wheelchair or handicap accessible options (ramps, bathrooms) as part of their available options.

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THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE. (Side note most buildings are required to be ADA compliant)

True. But, many (probably most) places on AirBnB are private residences that are not required to be ADA compliant. That said, your first comment is spot on.

I've only ever used it to rent condo units on vacation. The public areas have to be ADA compliant, no?

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [JSA] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:45

Post #24 of 108 (2524 views)

JSA wrote:

And Grubhub now provides public transportation ...

Because they're clearly not in the food delivery business!

Re: Lyft Says It’s ‘Not in the Transportation Business,’ So Disability Law Doesn't Apply [windywave] [ In reply to ]

May 4, 19 18:47

Post #25 of 108 (2519 views)

windywave wrote:

JSA wrote:

windywave wrote:

Endo wrote:

AirBnB is an interesting angle. I wonder if they are required to have wheelchair or handicap accessible options (ramps, bathrooms) as part of their available options.

.

THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE. (Side note most buildings are required to be ADA compliant)

True. But, many (probably most) places on AirBnB are private residences that are not required to be ADA compliant. That said, your first comment is spot on.

I've only ever used it to rent condo units on vacation. The public areas have to be ADA compliant, no?

That is correct. If we are talking about an apartment building, a multi-condo unit. etc., then the public areas must be ADA compliant and the individual units must be able to be configured to be ADA compliant if the occupying party needs it.

I've only rented houses on AirBnB. Those private houses are not required to be ADA compliant. That said, an argument could be made that, if the house is solely used as a rental property, it may have to be ADA compliant.

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