Don't tell me Trump's hateful anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant rhetoric hasn't enabled this kind of hate speech, and that this rise of white nationalism is irrelevant to these hate crimes.

Some day there's some chance someone self-identifying as Antifa might kill someone (they haven't yet afaik, so are hundreds behind white supremacists in recent body count), and I'm sure when that happens BK will be sure to point out it was just a lone nutjob and that the antifa and left-wing anti-fascists will have had nothing to do with it.

No, you don't get it. If the person is white and has a manifesto that sounds like a trump campaign speech, then they are a nutjob. If not they are probably some terrorist and should ban all muslims from entering the country to be safe.

Duffy wrote:

Two mosques were shot up.
Who shot up the other one?
What happened at the other one? How did it end?
2 others were arrested. Who are they?

Not necessarily aimed at you chaparral, your post was just the last one.

Am I the only one who finds it more than a bit unseemly that we are arguing whether or not this lunatic was a left wing or right wing nutjob? What are we trying to prove here? That your tribe is somehow better than the other because some whacko decided to twist someone's words into motivation for a mass killing? Is that what we've become?

Two mosques were shot up.

Who shot up the other one?

What happened at the other one? How did it end?

2 others were arrested. Who are they?

We are not trying some tribe is better than another, this is about stopping the next act. The fact is that there are people that promote this sort of hate. Things like Islamophobia or anti-immigrant hate should be seen as bad things. When they are not seen as bad things and promoted by important people, that makes them more acceptable and people will act on these ideas. These ideas don't just appear from a vacuum, they come from the speech of others. They see all sorts of people that agree with these ideas, which makes them more confident that they are correct. These people just don't one day go, "I am going to go and kill a bunch of Muslims." We are going to find out this was at least a year in the making where they were radicalized, they were not someone that was guaranteed to be violent, or else they would have acted out already. They had a seed of this in them and these communities help that seed grow.

Do you think that a those that performed the 9/11 attack were going to slam planes into skycrapers anyway and we should just ignore their ideology? We should ignore all the people that radicalize muslims? These right wing terrorists follow the same path the Islamic terrorists do, they are not just nut jobs and dismissing them as such just ignores the root of the problem.

So should we just ignore the people that spread the hate and make it more acceptable? Do you honestly think that is the best way to prevent a future attack? This sort of hate should just not be acceptable.

Is it too much to ask people to not suggest that we should get rid of all Muslims? That does not seem like too much to ask.

Kid hit first.

Don;t be surprised when you get hit back.

Kid hit first.

Don;t be surprised when you get hit back.

You're joking, right? It's pretty pathetic that we live in a world where that little shit thinks that is ok and knows he will face minor repercussions. Kid should have gotten his ass kicked.

I would love to see how you would have reacted.

There is zero chance I would have punched him, I've never punched anyone in my life. Even if I did, it wouldn't make it right. "Minor repercussions" are what would be appropriate for cracking an egg on someone, not an ass kicking.

I think you are full of shit.