Lance Armstrong, in his Kona preview podcast said Sanders "Runs like he's got three legs. I mean, it's hard to watch. But it works."

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"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

Which is why I said it needed to be done carefully otherwise instead of looking like he's hurt...he will actually get hurt.

Someone said above that that run isn't his limiter...well this race was bad so it needs a full analysis which is why he needs a coach that make those observations.

For me, paying more attention to him has mad me like him and I root for him as I root for most of the "interesting" guys. Like say Starky.

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Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

My thought a few seasons ago( i think I posted) was he could structure a support group, much like a small Formula race team. e.g engineering is a big part of those teams.

Lionel's durability is pretty amazing. To log those hours, this long is quite the deal. But like all sports with imbalances, it takes 8+ years or more to sabotage sound bio-mechanics and start to detract from performance. More training = more regression, without proper recovery or remediation routines.

Olympic athletes have the benefit of full "state" support and re-hab therapists. I've seen some work that the USA and Canadian swimmers are doing and it's OK (you are dealing with youngsters). But I still think there needs to be more intelligent effort put toward that.

So I'd be curious as to what Lionel has in that corner, because from the looks of it, not much.

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I don't think it's disrespectful.

You know, when we see someone 'not sacrificing the gift'

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That makes sense. I read an article years ago about people with addictive tendencies who get into endurance sports. They easily get overtrained because they can't back off and rest/relax. Their coach gives them a schedule and they sneak in extra training anyway. But I don't think you need to be an addict to have overtraining tendencies in this sport. It's difficult to tell when just the right amount turns into "too much", and then it can be too late.

I don't believe his mention of overtraining in the interview was purely a joke. In which case he's aware of it and will hopefully make appropriate adjustments.

I wish Lionel Sanders take this bad result, as an opportunity to see all the bad decissions I took during this year, and take a Coach.

He need to slow down, and I am sure that I could perform even better than he planned. If not, if he takes it in the bad way (ie. he think that the error is that he needs to train even more) we can say good by to Sanders.

What a dick fucking post!!!

Welcome to Slowtwitch. This is why most pros have abandoned participating here.

Are they delicate genius's???

Exhibit A

And to think that Cody Beals has beaten Matt Russell handily in both of his last 2 Ironman's, it's not at all unrealistic to think Cody has a VERY real shot of a top 5 overall performance in Kona (next year if he decides to go).

Please clarify exactly what you mean by exhibit A. I don't want to respond inappropriately because I've misread or misunderstood exactly what you're trying to convey.

This is why you see many good contributing members who give good advice leave for a few years, come back for a month or so and then end up leaving again

Exactly right

No need to ask what I mean fishbum for two reasons. 1. I’ll state it exactly down below

2. I’m putting your posts on hide so I won’t see your reply anyways

You typify the socks in this sore which push away pros who used to post here as well as other good contributing members.

LOL. Go to your safe space. if by calling someone a delicate genius and implying that they can't read or see anything negative about themselves offends you then by all means hide everyone's post who has ever critiqued anything. Continue living in a bubble. God forbid anyone come on here and express their opinion about anything. I truly don't know how you people make it through life. Right wrong or indifferent whether I think your opinion is worth two s****or I agree or disagree with it I will 100% not hide your post because it is your point of view and you have every right to it. Now if pros come on here read something negative about themselves and choose to leave this forum then that is their right. Just as much as it is for you to block my post and for me to post what I want within reason and Dan's rules. ThisThis that we all seem to enjoy so much takes more mental fortitude then a lot of other things in our lives but seriously those of you who can't come on here and not choose to read something if you're afraid it's going to bother you or run around worrying about who you've offended and how cracks me up. How the hell do you people make it through life.

Actually, it is not so unbelievable how negative and mean people can be. They are so brave when they can hide behind a keyboard.

As for the purpose of this thread, it is beyond me, and it was started by someone who clearly rejoices in other people's disappointments. You can easily tell who the mean spirited posters are. It is so laughingly transparent when they pretend to be offering some sort of constructive criticism.

It is obvious there are posters here who are pretty miserable in real life. From my experience, truly happy people derive no satisfaction in other people's misfortune, and are not negative Nellies.

As for the complaints about too many Lionel Sanders threads, the solution is a simple one. If you don't like them, you don't have to read them. But just like the story of the scorpion and the frog, it is simply in the nature of some posters here to bring negativity.

I'll make one last point to you. I was reading over some of your other posts on other Lionel threads and you really do need to htfu. In one you criticize the STRO BRO for reading a post and telling him he simply didn't have to click on it like Dan said which is comical maybe you should take your own advice. And don't get me wrong I disagree with the stro bro plenty and we go back and forth occasionally but I'd be willing to bet you 50 bucks he's sitting there laughing his ass off at my posts knowing full well I'm doing the same to his.
And I love how in that same post to him you sit there and tell him how'd your blocking him as well. For fucksake at this pace you won't be reading anybody's post.
To carry on and have fun in your f****** bubble

This is a broad response to both of you and a few others......

Please do not presume what I think. No one commenting in a derogatory fashion toward Lionel on what I think knows me personally nor has been coached by me nor was party to mine and Lionel's friendship and working relationship.

That´s my only response to this thread.

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Thanks, Dave. A history lesson for those who weren't around three years ago or have chosen to block out the idea that Sanders tried something similar to what they are accusing Lange of doing - https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ing=chabrot#p5729240

As far as a somewhat out-of-the-box suggestion for a coach for Sanders (if he can't work it out with his former coach), how about Gordo Byrn? Fellow Canadian who went from chubby office guy with an alcohol problem and no former elite athletic experience to winning UltraMan and getting close to winning IM Canada. He was coached/mentored by Scott, Allen and Molina at different points during his pro career and also did a very good job making a name for himself even though he wasn't winning big races. I think he could certainly understand the obsessive tendencies that Sanders has displaced.

My hope for Sanders is that he is quiet on social media for the next year and has a great performance in Kona next year. How can you not respect someone with a 2nd place on his Kona resume?

That is a super classy response. Kudos.

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Exhibit C

Not to derail the thread, but I thought the same thing, seeing the race unfold. Cody has to be thinking he's got as good as chance as any at making the podium and contending FTW. So many race day variables, I know, but he's got the goods to put his game on the line and see what happens... And why wouldn't you (Cody), give yourself that chance!

All these exhibits make me wonder who you're building a case for or do you have something of interest to contribute to this conversation or just go the route of other people on here and just block anything that you're sensitive ears can't handle.

Check out Kienle's post race interview, about 4:35 in, when he describes Lionel's words and actions having caught him on the bike. Based on this description, Lionel sounds like a pretty good guy to me when he himself is not in a great spot. Classy response by Kienle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_36F2tvvjQ