How many of those 13,000,000 commit violent crimes?
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JSA]
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I cannot understand why people are incapable of understanding the simple fact that illegals who are here illegally driving while illegally drunk and killing people in accidents is completely solvable. Unlike legal citizens who have a legal right to be here.
If the illegals were not here these people would be alive. Making matters worse are states like CA who refuse to notify ICE when illegals are in a jail. They just end up back on the streets.
In fact in CA, one can be prosecuted for reporting an illegal to the feds
My wife and kids were driving home from an event and were hit head-on by a wrong way driver. Illegal, drunk, no insurance, cars totalled. Bad scene all around. This guy was back on the streets after a short stint in county jail. No sweat. I’m sure we will read about him killing some family and I’ll get to read here that it was unavoidable.
In CA, we have this:
http://www.sacbee.com/...rticle163623103.html
From the San Diego Tribune:
“DMV documents reveal that it will cost the state $141.8 million through 2017 to issue licenses to an estimated 1.4 million applicants. At $33, the state will recoup $46.2 million of its costs during that span.“
From freebeacon.com
“California Attorney General Xavier Becerra on Thursday warned employers in the state that they will face legal consequences if they voluntarily provide information on their employees' immigration statuses to federal authorities.“
If the illegals were not here these people would be alive. Making matters worse are states like CA who refuse to notify ICE when illegals are in a jail. They just end up back on the streets.
In fact in CA, one can be prosecuted for reporting an illegal to the feds
My wife and kids were driving home from an event and were hit head-on by a wrong way driver. Illegal, drunk, no insurance, cars totalled. Bad scene all around. This guy was back on the streets after a short stint in county jail. No sweat. I’m sure we will read about him killing some family and I’ll get to read here that it was unavoidable.
In CA, we have this:
http://www.sacbee.com/...rticle163623103.html
From the San Diego Tribune:
“DMV documents reveal that it will cost the state $141.8 million through 2017 to issue licenses to an estimated 1.4 million applicants. At $33, the state will recoup $46.2 million of its costs during that span.“
From freebeacon.com
“California Attorney General Xavier Becerra on Thursday warned employers in the state that they will face legal consequences if they voluntarily provide information on their employees' immigration statuses to federal authorities.“
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [veganerd]
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How many of those 13,000,000 commit violent crimes?Why does it matter? Two people are dead at the hand of a guy who should not have been in this country.
This guy held his daughter in his arms as she bled out, crying out "Daddy, help me," at the hands of a guy who should not have been in this country:
Are all crimes committed by illegals? Of course not. Are they even a majority of the crimes? Absolutely not. But, why should we tolerate even one death at the hands of someone here illegally?
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JD21]
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I cannot understand why people are incapable of understanding the simple fact that illegals who are here illegally driving while illegally drunk and killing people in accidents is completely solvable. Unlike legal citizens who have a legal right to be here.I don't get it either.
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JD21]
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I cannot understand why people are incapable of understanding the simple fact that illegals who are here illegally driving while illegally drunk and killing people in accidents is completely solvable. Unlike legal citizens who have a legal right to be here.The issue isn't that people don't understand that. It's that they don't think that the relatively rare instance of an illegal immigrant killing someone in a drunk driving accident should be a driving factor behind immigration policy.
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [slowguy]
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I cannot understand why people are incapable of understanding the simple fact that illegals who are here illegally driving while illegally drunk and killing people in accidents is completely solvable. Unlike legal citizens who have a legal right to be here.The issue isn't that people don't understand that. It's that they don't think that the relatively rare instance of an illegal immigrant killing someone in a drunk driving accident should be a driving factor behind immigration policy.
It shouldn't and it isn't. But, it certainly is a basis for criticizing those who do not enforce current immigration laws and for pointing out the gaping holes in the current system.
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [big kahuna]
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Theory is ICE is going after the easy ones like this. To get their numbers up, while the really bad ones continue to hide out.
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JSA]
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OK, let's try this again.
If you have a national ID card, and have to carry it, LEOs can assess citizenship status.
If you are not a citizen, and entered as under a temporary immigrant visa (say J1, F1, H1B), you are actually supposed to carry your passport with you, with your visa on it, I94 etc.
If you don't have any of this on you, then it would be legitimate for LEO to question you further.
If you are not a citizen but are a permanent resident, you have to carry your green card with you. If you don't have it, then LEO could question further.
It does not entirely address the issue of checking immigration status, as some non-immigrant enter the country for a day or a few days and are not given an I-94. But a minimal modification to this process, along with a national ID card would then allow LEOs to assess citizenship status and/or immigration status, be it permanent or not.
Also, the issue with a DL is that it is usually given far beyond visa validity. So, I can enter the country legally under a J1 visa, get a DL, and then extend my stay for years.
I'm here legally and I can keep my DL, renew it etc.
If you have a national ID card, and have to carry it, LEOs can assess citizenship status.
If you are not a citizen, and entered as under a temporary immigrant visa (say J1, F1, H1B), you are actually supposed to carry your passport with you, with your visa on it, I94 etc.
If you don't have any of this on you, then it would be legitimate for LEO to question you further.
If you are not a citizen but are a permanent resident, you have to carry your green card with you. If you don't have it, then LEO could question further.
It does not entirely address the issue of checking immigration status, as some non-immigrant enter the country for a day or a few days and are not given an I-94. But a minimal modification to this process, along with a national ID card would then allow LEOs to assess citizenship status and/or immigration status, be it permanent or not.
Also, the issue with a DL is that it is usually given far beyond visa validity. So, I can enter the country legally under a J1 visa, get a DL, and then extend my stay for years.
I'm here legally and I can keep my DL, renew it etc.
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [Francois]
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Francois wrote:
OK, let's try this again. If you have a national ID card, and have to carry it, LEOs can assess citizenship status.
If you are not a citizen, and entered as under a temporary immigrant visa (say J1, F1, H1B), you are actually supposed to carry your passport with you, with your visa on it, I94 etc.
If you don't have any of this on you, then it would be legitimate for LEO to question you further.
If you are not a citizen but are a permanent resident, you have to carry your green card with you. If you don't have it, then LEO could question further.
It does not entirely address the issue of checking immigration status, as some non-immigrant enter the country for a day or a few days and are not given an I-94. But a minimal modification to this process, along with a national ID card would then allow LEOs to assess citizenship status and/or immigration status, be it permanent or not.
Also, the issue with a DL is that it is usually given far beyond visa validity. So, I can enter the country legally under a J1 visa, get a DL, and then extend my stay for years.
I'm here legally and I can keep my DL, renew it etc.
OK, let's try this again.
You suggesting that we have a national ID card makes you a racist. Thus, you are a Trump supporter and a Nazi.
End of discussion.
Seriously, that's where we are at here.
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [stal]
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Racist, nazi and Trump supporter....okaaaay. not sure which one is the funniest.
I guess it's logic day in the LR :)
I guess it's logic day in the LR :)
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JSA]
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JSA wrote:
jhc wrote:
Post legit stats Kahuna. I'm not taking your word for it.Ok.
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August 2017 — Martel Valencia-Cortez, a human smuggler from Mexico, was sentenced to eight years in American Prison for assaulting a U.S. Border Patrol agent with a rock; he was also charged with three counts of human smuggling. Valencia-Cortez has been listed as one of the most dangerous human smugglers in the San Diego area. Previous to the most recent charge, Valencia-Cortez served three years in prison for human smuggling charges and was then deported back to Mexico. (U.S. News, August 29, 2017) -
August 2017 — Thirty three-year-old nanny Lidia Quilligana, an illegal alien from Ecuador, was convicted and sentenced to fifteen years in prison for the brutal torture and abuse of three small children. Nanny cam footage caught Quilligana burning the hands and legs of the three-year-old child as well as grabbing her by the hair and hitting her in the face. The torture was described as “sustained and depraved cruelty” by the District Attorney, and the judge admitted that the sentence nowhere near fit the heinous nature of the crime. Quilligana cited her own abusive childhood in Ecuador as justification for her actions. (Newstimes, August 22, 2017) -
July 2017 — Ariel Cuellar Guizar will face thirty-one years in prison for a collection of charges relating to his activities as a human trafficker. He has been found guilty of trafficking, pimping women out to prostitution, and the rape of a fifteen-year-old girl. Guizar will also be registered as a sex offender for life. (ABC7, July 20, 2017) -
June 2017 — Vanessa Hernandez, an illegal alien from Mexico, was sentenced to 100 months in prison for importing nearly 9 pounds of methamphetamine. Hernandez is expected to face deportation proceedings after she is released from prison. (ICE.gov, June 9, 2017) -
May 2017 — Illegal alien, Edwin Velasquez Curuchiche, has been sentenced to fifty years in prison after being convicted of two counts of producing child pornography. Specifically, Curuchiche has been charged with sneaking into the room of a six year old girl and filming himself molesting her while she slept. Originally apprehended entering the country illegally in 2013, the Guatemalan national never returned for his immigration hearing and was living in the U.S. illegally at the time he assaulted the child. (Tennessean, May 15, 2017) -
May 2017 — An Uzbek refugee serving 25 years behind bars for a plot to kill U.S. military personnel or civilians has been charged with stabbing the warden at the California federal prison where he was serving his sentence, prosecutors said Thursday. (Fox News, May 27, 2017) -
May 2017 — Pasqual Mendez, 24, of Morganton, was given an active prison term of 12 to 19 years for felony human trafficking of a child, assault on a female, interfering with emergency communication and statutory rape of a child less than 15 years of age (News Herald, May 23, 2017) -
May 2017 — Oscar De La Rosa-Mendoza, 31, of Mission — a Mexican citizen who wasn't lawfully present in the United States — pleaded guilty to driving while intoxicated, a Class B misdemeanor, on May 9. (CBS News, May 18, 2017) -
May 2017 — Carlos Santiago-Alvarez, 41, of Holyoke, was sentenced Monday to six to eight years in state prison followed by five years probation in a child rape case. (Mass Live, May 4, 2017) -
April 2017 — Ignacio Luque-Verdugo, 32, was convicted Friday in Adams County District Court of first-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder charges. (Denver Channel, April 18, 2017) -
April 2017 — Four Charlotte-area members of the El Salvadoran gang MS-13 were convicted Tuesday of federal racketeering charges. (Charlotte Observer, April 18, 2017) -
April 2017 — Pablo Gonzales Sanchez will spend at least 18 years in prison for molesting a young teenage girl an estimated 50 times. The girl's mother, an illegal alien, has also been sentenced to prison for not reporting her daughter's allegations of abuse. Both she and Sanchez also were ordered to be added to the Sex Offender Registry. (Shelby Star, April 11, 2017) -
April 2017 — Abdirahman P. Sahel was sentenced Monday, April 10, to 20 years in prison for sexually assaulting and terrorizing a young woman nearly four years ago. (Jamestown Sun, April 11, 2017) -
April 2017 — Gil Gaxiola was convicted of first-degree attempted murder of a National Park Service employee, as well as armed robbery, three counts of aggravated assault, kidnapping and theft of means of transportation, following an 11-day trial. (Wilcox Range News, April 1, 2017) -
March 2017 — Mexican National Miguel Rangel-Arce, 36, has been convicted of trafficking methamphetamine in New Mexico and Navajo Nation land. He will serve 10 years in prison. He is one of eight others who were charged with trafficking drugs between November 2015 and March 2016. When they were apprehended, the police also found 2 1/2 pounds of meth and 10 firearms. (Daily Times, March 8, 2017) -
February 2017 — 29-year-old Ricardo Solis Garcia was sentenced to 20-29 years in prison after being convicted of raping a 13-year-old girl in Burke County, North Carolina in March of 2015. Garcia lured the girl into his car on the pretense of giving her a ride but instead took her to a motel room where he forced her to have sex with him. Garcia will be scheduled to be deported after he has served his prison sentence. (WHKY, February 2, 2017) -
January 2017 — A Mexican illegally in the United States;, Leonard Pennelas-Escobar, was shot dead in Arizona as he assaulted a police officer by banging his head against cement after Pennelas shot and wounded the officer who had stopped to render assistance after Pennelas driving at a high speed had rolled the car killing the woman passenger. -
January 2017 — Alexis De La Rosa Sosa, an illegal alien from Mexico, was sentenced in Texas to four concurrent terms of 12 years in prison for the deaths of two persons as a result of his crashing into their vehicle while driving recklessly and then fleeing the scene of the crime. (Breitbart News, January 11, 2017) -
November 2016 — A Mexican illegal alien , Claudia Raquel Herrera Ibarra, pled guilty to possession of a firearm in Laredo Texas and was sentenced to three years imprisonment. She and a partner were caught smuggling weapons to the violent “Los Zetas” narcotics smuggling gang in Mexico. (Breibert News, November 30, 2016) -
October 2016 — A previously deported illegal alien is jailed in Michigan after admitting to strangling his girlfriend. Raul Perez had been deported to Mexico in 2004 and again in 2005 after a judge found him guilty of illegal reentry. He also had been in police custody five days before the murder for driving under the influence. The local authorities established his identity from his fingerprints – he was using an assumed name – but according to a news account – there was no request from ICE that he be detained (perhaps because he was detained on a weekend). ICE has now issued a detainer request for whenever Perez is released. (WoodTV, Channel 8, Grand Rapids Mich.)-
September 2016 — Cecil Burrows, an immigrant from India, is due to be deported following more than three years imprisonment for his involvement in orchestrating a gang rape in his home in 2012. (Washington Post, September 25, 2016) -
September 2016 — A British illegal alien, Michael Steven Sandford, pled guilty in Nevada to possession of a gun—that he tried to take from a policeman – and disrupting and official function—a campaign rally by GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump. Sandford said he was attempting to kill the candidate. A psychiatrist found that Sandford was “delusional” according to an AP report. Sentencing guidelines call for 18 to 27 months in prison. (Daily News. September 13, 2016) -
September 2016 — September 2016 – Jorge Elizade Sanches, an illegal alien confessed to the beating death of his common-law spouse in Texas. (12newsnow.tv September 15, 2016) -
September 2016 — September 2016 – Walter Gomes DaSilva, a Brazilian illegal alien, pled guilty to the murder of his teen-aged daughter in Massachusetts. (Boston Herald, September 7, 2016) -
September 2016 — September 2016 – Ecuadorian illegal aliens, Paul Esteban Estrella Villota and his wife Magaly Alemania Malagon Sandoya were respectively sentenced in Texas to six and five years respectively in federal prison for an alien smuggling operation. (Breibart News September 7, 2016) -
August 2016 — Two Salvadoran illegal alien gang members were convicted of murder in the Virginia suburbs of Washington DC. Jose Lopez Torres was convicted of a brutal stabbing death of another MS-13 gang member suspected of being an informer. He was sentenced to life imprisonment plus 20 years. According to the Washington Post, “His conviction was part of a sweeping federal case against Northern Virginia members of the El Salvador-based gang, in which six defendants pleaded guilty and six more were found guilty at trial.” The other just convicted Salvadoran was Jesus Alejandro Chavez, who was sentenced to two life terms plus 10 years for two murders. (Washington Post, August 11, 2016) -
July 2016 — Mauricio Morales-Caceres, an illegal alien from El Salvador was sentenced in Montgomery County, Maryland to life in prison without parole for the stabbing death of another Salvadoran. Morales identified himself as an MS-13 gang member, and testimony indicated he had no remorse for his crime. (Washington Post July 15, 2016) -
June 2016 — Aroldo Castillo-Serrano, a Guatemalan illegal alien, was sentence to 15 years in prison in Ohio for forced labor conspiracy, forced labor, witness tampering and encouraging illegal entry into the country. Castillo paid smugglers to smuggle teen-aged Guatemalan youth into the country under the promise of getting them into school and then put them to work as indentured servants in an egg farm. (Fox News Latino, June 27, 2016) -
June 2016 — A Mexican illegal alien, Juan Carlos Sepulveda-Castro, was sentenced to two and one half years in prison in Idaho for threatening people with an assault rifle. The news report notes that illegal aliens are prohibited from possessing a firearm. (Pocatello TV channel 8) -
June 2016 — Eleven illegal alien members of the Salvadoran MS-13 gang have been convicted of a series of crimes including murder. Jorge Enrique Moreno-Aguilar, Juan Alberto Ortiz-Orellana and Minor Perez, all from Maryland were convicted in mid-May of murder and conspiracy in a racketeering enterprise. (MRC-TV May 24, 2016) New Jersey gang members Santos Reyes-Villatoro, Mario Oliva, Roberto Contreras, Julian Moz-Aguilar, Hugo Palencia, Jose Garcia, Cruz Flores, and Esau Ramirez were convicted in late May in New Jersey of various murder, racketeering and firearms crimes. (MRC-TV, June 2, 2016) -
May 2016 — Illegal aliens, Reinol Vergara and Edson Benitez, pled guilty to second degree murder for the death of a 90 year-old Minnesota man they beat and tied up while they stole from his home, leaving him to bleed to death. (Breibart News May 11, 2016) -
April 2016 — A Salvadoran illegal alien, Mauricio Morales-Caceres, was convicted of first degree murder in Maryland and sentenced to life imprisonment. (Washington Post, April 30, 2016) -
March 2016 — Juan Razo, a Mexican illegal alien living in Painesville, Ohio, agreed to plead guilty to a crime spree that included the shooting death of a 60-year old woman, attempted rape of a 14-year old girl, kidnapping and burglary. His plea was to avoid the death penalty and accept a life sentence. (Cleveland.com, March 4, 2016) -
February 2016 — Three illegal aliens from Mexico were sentenced to federal prison for alien smuggling and illegally re-entering the U.S. after previous deportations. One man was sentenced to 57 months, another will serve 24 months, and the last man was sentenced to serve 12 months and one day in prison. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, February 2, 2016) -
January 2016 — An illegal alien from Mexico was sentenced to nearly 6 years in prison after having been convicted for transporting illegal aliens, which resulted in the death of two illegal aliens. (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, January 20, 2016)
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https://fairus.org/...rimes-illegal-aliens
list of anecdotes is not the same as stats. Thanks though
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JSA]
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veganerd wrote:
Those are just examples, where are the stats? You're right, those aren't stats. We should discard that entire site and all the data contained in that link.
Wow.
The LR has really caught a case of stupid tonight.
To reinforce, collection of anecdotes are not data either. Do you really think someone couldn't put together a list 10X that long about all the illegal immigrants who haven't broken any laws (outside of the immigration one) who live productive lives and contribute to society? I bet you wouldn't be convinced by that "data" so why should anyone else be convinced about a few cherry-picked examples?
Here's a decent summary of crime rates from a non-partisan entity (you can find differing point of views from the NYT and the Heritage Foundation, for example, but this is as close to unbiased as probably exists)
http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [klehner]
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To go back to this:
many countries in Europe still have national ID cards. They're used to identify citizenship, and that's it. First name, last name, DoB, height, signature, country of citizenship.
With that said, France has changed its law regarding its national ID card. It's still provided, it's free, but it's not mandatory.
As for stal, bent on racism, nazism, and Trump: google teudat zehut...sigh.
many countries in Europe still have national ID cards. They're used to identify citizenship, and that's it. First name, last name, DoB, height, signature, country of citizenship.
With that said, France has changed its law regarding its national ID card. It's still provided, it's free, but it's not mandatory.
As for stal, bent on racism, nazism, and Trump: google teudat zehut...sigh.
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [Francois]
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Francois wrote:
To go back to this: many countries in Europe still have national ID cards. They're used to identify citizenship, and that's it. First name, last name, DoB, height, signature, country of citizenship.
With that said, France has changed its law regarding its national ID card. It's still provided, it's free, but it's not mandatory.
As for stal, bent on racism, nazism, and Trump: google teudat zehut...sigh.
Ok, I'll bite. What happens when a Spaniard is legally in France and is asked to show his national ID card?
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JSA]
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Nothing. He's legally allowed in. And he can live there and work there etc. Borders have been open for a while nw.
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [Francois]
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Francois wrote:
Nothing. He's legally allowed in. And he can live there and work there etc. Borders have been open for a while nw.Ok. So, what is the point of the national ID card?
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JSA]
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To know if you're there legally. You have to carry it across borders in Europe. If you don't have it, you can get arrested, as you may be there illegally.
It's a lot easier to prove you are here legally if there is a law that requires you to carry a piece of ID that identifies citizenship than it is to prove that you here legally
when you don't carry one and don't have to. I'm not sure exactly what you are not following here.
It's a lot easier to prove you are here legally if there is a law that requires you to carry a piece of ID that identifies citizenship than it is to prove that you here legally
when you don't carry one and don't have to. I'm not sure exactly what you are not following here.
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JSA]
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JSA wrote:
Francois wrote:
Nothing. He's legally allowed in. And he can live there and work there etc. Borders have been open for a while nw.Ok. So, what is the point of the national ID card?
You might as well ask "what's the point of having a physical driver's license card?" If a cop pulls you over and asks to see your license, and you provide it, because you're legally licensed and allowed to drive, nothing happens. So what's the point? Well obviously, the point of having the actual card is because some people aren't licensed or legally allowed to be driving, and having the card is an easy way of demonstrating that you're allowed to drive.
Similarly, having a national ID card is a quick and easy way of demonstrating that you're a citizen and allowed to be in the country, or vote, or whatever.
Again, whether or not we need that, or whether the cost is worth whatever benefit is gained is a separate question. However, you look silly pretending like you don't understand the purpose of the ID in the first place.
Slowguy
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [jhc]
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list of anecdotes is not the same as stats. Thanks thoughSo, you think it's ok to kill someone, so long as enough other people like you do nice things?
The point is, none of those crimes should have occurred, because none of the people who committed them should have been in the country in the first place.
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [Francois]
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Racist, nazi and Trump supporter....okaaaay. not sure which one is the funniest. I guess it's logic day in the LR :)
I was stating the information as a fact. And to show how ridiculous it is.
Ask Vega or Kay to explain why having/requiring ID's is racist. I'm sure they have received their talking points on it.
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [stal]
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My apologies. It is not always easy to figure out sarcasm especially with someone you haven't talked much with.
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [stal]
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stal wrote:
Francois wrote:
Racist, nazi and Trump supporter....okaaaay. not sure which one is the funniest. I guess it's logic day in the LR :)
I was stating the information as a fact. And to show how ridiculous it is.
Ask Vega or Kay to explain why having/requiring ID's is racist. I'm sure they have received their talking points on it.
Cheap Shot!!! Peas in a pod!!!
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [Francois]
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Francois wrote:
To know if you're there legally. You have to carry it across borders in Europe. If you don't have it, you can get arrested, as you may be there illegally. It's a lot easier to prove you are here legally if there is a law that requires you to carry a piece of ID that identifies citizenship than it is to prove that you here legally
when you don't carry one and don't have to. I'm not sure exactly what you are not following here.
Wait a minute. In my example, a Spaniard is legally in France. The Spaniard has a Spanish ID. The Spanish ID does not indicate the Spaniard is legally in France. If the Spaniard was illegally in France, the Spaniard would still have a Spanish ID. How does the Spanish ID prove the Spaniard is legally in France?
I'll turn it back to the US. We have upwards of 22M legal non-citizens in the US. If law enforcement stops one and is shown a Spanish ID, what difference does that make? How does that show the person is or is not legally in the US?
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Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [JSA]
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You cannot be Spanish and in France illegally. Borders are open.
If you are a legal immigrant in the US, you are supposed to carry your passport with Visa and I94 or green card at all times.
If you are a legal immigrant in the US, you are supposed to carry your passport with Visa and I94 or green card at all times.
Re: Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson Killed by DUI Driver Being Sought for Deportation [slowguy]
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slowguy wrote:
JSA wrote:
Francois wrote:
Nothing. He's legally allowed in. And he can live there and work there etc. Borders have been open for a while nw.Ok. So, what is the point of the national ID card?
You might as well ask "what's the point of having a physical driver's license card?" If a cop pulls you over and asks to see your license, and you provide it, because you're legally licensed and allowed to drive, nothing happens. So what's the point? Well obviously, the point of having the actual card is because some people aren't licensed or legally allowed to be driving, and having the card is an easy way of demonstrating that you're allowed to drive.
You are required to have a license to drive and required to physically have it on your person when driving. Operating a vehicle without one is a crime. So, you need to have a DL in your possession when driving.
slowguy wrote:
Similarly, having a national ID card is a quick and easy way of demonstrating that you're a citizen and allowed to be in the country, or vote, or whatever. Again, whether or not we need that, or whether the cost is worth whatever benefit is gained is a separate question. However, you look silly pretending like you don't understand the purpose of the ID in the first place.
We have upwards of 22M non-citizens legally in the US. If all 22M had national IDs from their home country, what would that tell us about whether they were legally in the US? I would assume a non-citizen could not get a US ID, but a non-citizen here legally can get a DL. So, the DL tells us the individual is in the country legally. The US ID does not. That's my point. You would have upwards of 22M people in the US who did not have a US ID, but were still here legally. Their lack of possession of a US ID would mean nothing.
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