Pretty wild. That'd make more sense if like it was an assassination of a single high-profile person. JKF type deal.

Or just a run of the mill terrorist attack.

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Sounds like complete BS. Opportunistic BS to boot.

But even if he did convert to Islam a few months ago, no one in their right mind goes from 0-Jihadi assassin that fast. "Right mind" being the key thing.

Honestly, this sounds more like the 1984 San Ysidro McDonalds shooting, at least in the way the shooter conducted business. James Huberty entered the store fully armed and ready to kill, and proceeded to do so.

Huberty's life was spinning out of control at that point, and he determined to go out in what he perceived to be a blaze of glory, I guess. I have no idea what motivated this Las Vegas shooter, but some reports say he was in the midst of a divorce, and owned a relatively expensive home, at least for his income level. Perhaps it all became just too much for him?

Again, I have no idea what motivated this gentleman nor why he selected that venue and proceeded to fire on innocents from 30 stories above. Perhaps it was the softest target he could think of at that point?

Some news reports also say that he had 10 rifles lined up in his hotel room, each fully charged with a magazine, and that he generated so much gunpowder smoke from firing so rapidly that the room's smoke detectors went off. He also had set up some sort of video surveillance that could tell him when the police were closing in.

All of this, combined with the fact that he may have used fully automatic weapons, suggest that a lot of planning went into his act.

I've said it before: some people just want to watch the world burn.

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That's second most common element; The most common element in mass shootings being possession of firearm(s).

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I'm struck by how far the hotel is from the Music festival. For some reason I pictured it right above where the people were located.

I have had the news on in my office most of the morning. Every time I turn around the casualty numbers keep climbing. Horrible, just truly horrible. 58 killed and over 500 wounded. Can't imagine the grief some woke up to today.

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This is the best I can work out: cone of fire north to south was about twenty degrees. East to west was closer to five degrees. So long as he had some rudimentary knowledge, he may not have had any formal training.

I was up late last night when this came on. When I went to bed they were talking about 2 dead. I'm sitting here today kind of numb. I'd really rather read and talk about anything but this.

And I'm really feeling like punching people in the nose who are being assholes about it right now. It is a good thing I can't reach through the internet.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

he generated so much gunpowder smoke from firing so rapidly that the room’s
I would bet he wasn’t ready for the choking smoke. It probably caught him by surprise and slowed him down . he may have even panicked.

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I am pretty sure that in the event of 10's of thousands in a confined space and assuming an individual were not blind and had sufficient physical capacity to point and pull a trigger they could cause chaos........in those circumstances how much training is really needed

Geez, that's a pretty long shot.

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Not really, especially when you are aiming at a crowd as opposed to a single person. If the shooter was aiming for the performer, and hit one, I would agree he had some training. But, anyone can point at a crowd and pull a trigger.

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People don't fully grasp how fine a line it is between normal and crazy. Like you said It could be something like a newly formed tumor that can radically effect your behavior. That is what scares me about the "screening" for firearms. It cannot detect that you are going to lose your mind in 5 years. It is as doing a limited assessment of behavior at that point in time.

Geez, that's a pretty long shot.

That was my reaction too. Given that distance, there are a lot of situations where a single shooter could do a lot of damage.

Early reports said he was an "avid hunter." That would be more than enough weapons familiarity to pull this off.

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400 yards to the front of the stage per google.

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In Army basic training, newbies who have never fired a rifle before have to shoot a pop up target 300 yards away using only iron sights. 400 yards from an elevated vantage point with a scope is not very difficult, especially when firing into a crowd instead of a single target.

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What good is a scope on full auto?

(ETA: I'm not trying to be a dick)

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On a single target? Useless. In a crowd? It keeps the barrel in the general direction necessary to inflict maximum damage.

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You would need something higher caliber like .308 to kill this many, right? Raining down .223 doesn't seem like it would kill 58 people at 400 yards.

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Not necessarily. If it was a SAW (m249) effective range for a point target is 600 m and for an area target 800 m and it fires a 5.56 round.

For an M16, max effective range for a point target is 602 yards (550 m) and for an area target 875 yards (800 m) firing 5.56.

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.223 would be plenty lethal at that range. Even a .22LR could kill at that range if you spray into a crowd and hit the right spots a few times. It did sound to me like a larger caliber however.

When you push and push for people to think a specific way, those who are unable to think for themselves will follow. As others have said, go post there, that shit doesn't need to be here.

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