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Re: Las Vegas shooting [trail] [ In reply to ]
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It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.

Maybe a throwback to the original mass shooting from the Texas Bell Tower. Sometimes people have organic brain diseases that make them psychotic, paranoid, etc. Maybe he lost a ton of money in Vegas and was "getting back" at the town. People have all kinds of illogical thought processes.

Who knows at this point?
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.

Here’s some wild speculation...

He wasn’t the shooter. Someone enters him room, kills him (made to look like suicide), shoots the crowd then escapes.

Again, wild speculation, but not impossible.

Sounds like a book, but can't dismiss it. That's the scariest scenario to me.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Just a note: the hotel is, on average, 450 meters away from the concert site. That's not a trivial distance. The police say the shooter is not a military veteran but I have a hard time believing that he did not have some sort of advanced training.


What kind of advanced training do you suppose he would need?

If you fiddle on Google Earth, the cone of fire is about seven degrees. He was shooting in a low-light, low-contrast environment. I have a hard time believing he drew that many casualties though volume of fire alone. Automatic weapons are not easy to keep on target.

He did have elevation working in his favor.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Duffy wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.

Here’s some wild speculation...

He wasn’t the shooter. Someone enters him room, kills him (made to look like suicide), shoots the crowd then escapes.

Again, wild speculation, but not impossible.

Sounds like a book, but can't dismiss it. That's the scariest scenario to me.

Pretty sure hotel security footage would be able to rule this option out very quickly.

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Re: Las Vegas shooting [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.

Certainly does not fit the profile. Reports this a.m. said he has no social media presence, which will make it harder.

Finally heard from my son in Vegas about 2 minutes ago. Been trying to reach him for the past 3 hours. Worst 3 hours of my life.

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Re: Las Vegas shooting [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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We'll probably never find out, but I wonder if any of the housekeepers noticed anything unusual. The shooter arrived on Thursday, so I assume the housekeepers came into the room sometime over the last three days. Even if there was a "Do Not Disturb" card on the door the entire time, I assume they at least knocked on the door in order to talk to the occupants and make sure everything was OK. (If not, they should, just in case someone's dead or the room is being trashed.)
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.


Here’s some wild speculation...

He wasn’t the shooter. Someone enters him room, kills him (made to look like suicide), shoots the crowd then escapes.

Again, wild speculation, but not impossible.

Might not be so outlandish (though the escape part is hard to reconcile). No manifesto found, no military history... nothing. Also, while there are a lot of conflicting reports out there, it appears initially there were only two or three distinct shots fired before the automatic fire began.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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JSA wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.


Certainly does not fit the profile. Reports this a.m. said he has no social media presence, which will make it harder.

Finally heard from my son in Vegas about 2 minutes ago. Been trying to reach him for the past 3 hours. Worst 3 hours of my life.

Glad he's ok.

My best man and his wife go to Vegas a couple times a year and always stay at Mandalay Bay. Found out they were there last week but are home safe. Took about 15 min. to hear back from them this morning and had a sick to my stomach feeling the whole time. Can't imagine if it was my kid and a 3 hour period.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Automatic weapons are not easy to keep on target.

He didn't have to keep on target - they were packed in shoulder to shoulder, he just had to point in the general direction and keep the trigger pulled till the magazine was empty. He had multiple rifles in the room with him, so at that point he would either just change weapons or change magazines in about 2 seconds.

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Re: Las Vegas shooting [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Also, while there are a lot of conflicting reports out there, it appears initially there were only two or three distinct shots fired before the automatic fire began.

Before?

Could shots that killed the “shooter”?

In my mind, the crazy scenario that I posted is as least as likely as this guy just deciding to do this...

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.

It checks the most common element: mental illness.

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Re: Las Vegas shooting [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Glad you try to hold STers to,a higher standard

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Re: Las Vegas shooting [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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BCtriguy1 wrote:
windywave wrote:
Duffy wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.

Here’s some wild speculation...

He wasn’t the shooter. Someone enters him room, kills him (made to look like suicide), shoots the crowd then escapes.

Again, wild speculation, but not impossible.

Sounds like a book, but can't dismiss it. That's the scariest scenario to me.

Pretty sure hotel security footage would be able to rule this option out very quickly.

Easily hacked. You don't read enough fiction :)
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.


It checks the most common element: mental illness.

Mental illness certainly covers the most bases; with or without a distinguishable motive.

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Re: Las Vegas shooting [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.


It checks the most common element: mental illness.

We don't know that yet. And by that I mean we have no indication that he showed recognizable signs of mental illness prior to this obviously insane massacre.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.


It checks the most common element: mental illness.

I recall reading something somewhere that going back over all the mass shootings we've had in the U.S. that mental illness wasn't actually all that common, which is probably even more disturbing.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [JD21] [ In reply to ]
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Glad you try to hold STers to,a higher standard

Democrats swiftly renewed their push for gun control within hours of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, with congressional Democrats urging legislation and Hillary Clinton going after the National Rifle Association. | Fox News

http://fxn.ws/2xajsyN

There's a gun control thread for this stuff.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [justgeorge] [ In reply to ]
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justgeorge wrote:
Automatic weapons are not easy to keep on target.

He didn't have to keep on target - they were packed in shoulder to shoulder, he just had to point in the general direction and keep the trigger pulled till the magazine was empty. He had multiple rifles in the room with him, so at that point he would either just change weapons or change magazines in about 2 seconds.

Grab a laser pointer and point it at a wall. Have someone jostle you rather aggressively. Try to keep it in a narrow cone of fire. It's not trivial.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.


Here’s some wild speculation...

He wasn’t the shooter. Someone enters him room, kills him (made to look like suicide), shoots the crowd then escapes.

Again, wild speculation, but not impossible.

Considering cameras are everywhere inside a casino, this would have taken minutes to figure out.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.

One story I heard earlier mentioned he'd sued a Vegas casino 2 or 3 years ago and settled. No mention of what the lawsuit was over.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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ISIS is now claiming responsibility. Claiming the shooter converted to Islam months before the shooting. Not sure I buy that story.
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [orphious] [ In reply to ]
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orphious wrote:
ISIS is now claiming responsibility. Claiming the shooter converted to Islam months before the shooting. Not sure I buy that story.

His girlfriend is of Indonesian decent....

But, yeah, seems unlikely.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Las Vegas shooting [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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With the latest updates as to death toll and injuries, this mass shooting has now become the deadliest in modern US history.

The shooter, from news reports, was possibly in the midst of a divorce. I don't want to speculate as to motive, but would rather concentrate on the poor people who lost their lives.

God bless them and keep their families safe at this time of deepest darkest sorrow.

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Re: Las Vegas shooting [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.


Here’s some wild speculation...

He wasn’t the shooter. Someone enters him room, kills him (made to look like suicide), shoots the crowd then escapes.

Again, wild speculation, but not impossible.

Considering cameras are everywhere inside a casino, this would have taken minutes to figure out.

Right. Have we seen or heard reports of security footage showing this guy holding a bag that could carry all those weapons?

Considering cameras are everywhere this would have taken minutes to figure out.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Las Vegas shooting [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
trail wrote:
It's really hard to figure out motive. Old white guy firing into a country music festival just doesn't check any of the boxes in the usual mass shooting checklist.


It checks the most common element: mental illness.

I completely agree and suspect we will hear something about this soon. It would be extremely unusual for him to show no prior signs and just "snap." But, I suspect subtle signs will be pieced together that, in hindsight, gave some indication of mental illness.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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