Just checking in from Fabulous Las Vegas on a tragic day. The festival he chose to shoot into was "only" attended by 30,000+ people. Life Is Beautiful's concert was the preceding week, attended by 10X that many people and the death count could have been much higher.

Figuring out how to keep one million weekly visitors safe is priority one here, so I imagine changes will take place after this.

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Yeah, not really hard to get a bunch of weapons into a hotel. Vegas is a big resort town, so hollow out a golf bag and stash as many as you can fit, and no one would even give it a second thought.

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Something tells me Dirt is begging for this to be true. Never too early to throw out some agenda sticky to see if it holds.

Makes you wonder if metal detectors outside the casinos and hotels is a next step--and a logical one at that. It's the reality in many parts of the world already, maybe it's time we in this country say it's worth the extra hassle to be a little more secure.

Dont be stupid. I clearly said that there is no information that points to any direction.

Have you ever been to Vegas?

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Nope. I'm sure it's a bunch of interconnected buildings and walkways and open-air venues and whatnot. I'm sure it'd be a nightmare and costly as hell to implement. I also think it'd be a worthwhile investment and it's not like the Vegas casinos are hurting for money.

Don't be stupid, your implication was pretty clear.

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Yup, you sure did. We'll agree to disagree whether that absolves what was said before that.

I thought Colorado City was the epicenter of the FLDS. St George seems like a normal city. Colorado City seemed strange.

The shear volume of people going in and out of buildings is staggering.

It would be near impossible and it wouldn’t make it any more secure.

The strip is outside and totally exposed to this type of attack from countless positions that are not inside casinos/hotels.

Last time i was there (couple years ago for a wedding in Henderson) we walked the strip and it was shoulderto shoulder people. I guy in a car could easily shoot or run down 50 or more people.

Or just walk up the line of 5,000 people waiting to fo through security and start shooting...

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Metal detectors would be problematic. All these hotels and casinos have multiple entrances and exits, connect to each other (many on the strip at least), and above and beyond that, you can't just put in detectors. You have to have screeners to handle people going through the detectors, people to handle searches if you set one off, security personnel who can detain people if they're found to have something illegal or that the hotel doesn't want to allow, and a method to get police response in those cases as well. Plus, many people are on vacation and bringing legitimate things that might set off a metal detector. Imagine airport security style lines and lengths to get in and out of your hotel?

I'm not saying it can't be done, but I think the logistical challenges of implementation are greater than one might expect, and I'm not sure what the actual security benefits might be. As Duffy said, you don't really prevent this type of attack with metal detectors. You might just prevent it from happening from inside a hotel, but there are plenty of other places from which you could execute this type of plan.

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It would be nearly impossible to implement. Not totally absurd and impossible but close. There are multiple ingress and egress points in each and every hotel and casino. Remember, these are some of the largest hotels in the world. Six of the top 10 largest hotels, and 15 of the top 25 hotels, in the world are in Vegas. These are massive hotels, most of which have 4,000 to 7,000 rooms in each.

The costs would be astronomical. Yes, these casinos aren't exactly hurting for money but they are businesses after all. This will be seen as a one off incident and not something that materially affects their bottom line. The level of security that you're talking about would be a business decision, and not a humanitarian/safety decision. If and when security threats start dipping way into revenue will the cost/benefit analysis come into play.

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so far the big news on this thread is:

1. how this will affect NFL players taking a knee
2. whether this was antifa's work (which you clearly hoped it was)

i'm sure somebody somewhere is talking about gun laws. but i haven't read it yet in my own reading in NYT, las vegas sun, and a couple of other newspapers. do you think we could have maybe half a day before using this tragedy as ammo to gain the upper hand in an internet forum argument?

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x 2. I was thinking the same thing. The other thing I hate about these things. Normally, when something like this happens, unless you are connected personally to a victim, you will only remember the shooters name. Heck its already blasted all over the media. I know this has been brought up before and probably wont be the last.

What does this shooting have to do with kneeling during the anthem?

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Nothing. But apparently one tragedy is supposed to make you stop caring about other issues?

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Its amazing how many weak minded idiots have fallen under the spell of right-wing-nuts like that InfoWars guy and perpetuate or fantasize about these conspiracy theories

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Haven't seen someone question the shooter's religion, yet. There is a gun thread already.

Just a note: the hotel is, on average, 450 meters away from the concert site. That's not a trivial distance. The police say the shooter is not a military veteran but I have a hard time believing that he did not have some sort of advanced training.

What kind of advanced training do you suppose he would need?

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Innocent people getting shot? Yes, but no.

Well, the country is supposed to be in morning after 50+ people have been gunned down and over 400 injured. So if some black guy wants to take a knee over his BLM SJW cause, I'd say its "tone def" because thats not what people are thinking about when the anthem is played. Heck, Puerto Rico should be enough to get these guys off their knees unless they want to protest that too.

How difficult is it to put hundreds of rounds of automatic gunfire into a crowd of tens of thousands in a small and confined space and hit lots of people?

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how about in the second post of the thread?

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So the anthem is to pay respects to your country... nope... pay respects to the millitary... nope... think about victims of shootings... It's hard to keep up.

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