I see that as a positive.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Mostly. But then it probably isn't fair to criticize him as part of the "same old ideas in Congress" crowd. He's been against the grain in just about every conceivable way.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

Well since we're conducting an analysis of a flippantly posted meme I found on the internet I'll attempt to defend it this way.

Old idea - socialism. Failed every time it's been tried. Bernie has been in congress for twenty three years and hasn't "gotten anything done" because even that den of thieves knows his socialist agenda is a non-starter.

Also, his presence in congress for a couple decades nullifies his claim of outsider status.

I know, it's a weak defense but memes aren't really known for intellectual integrity.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

That's a myth, or a misunderstanding. Sanders accomplished quite a bit through expert use of amendments. People look at the number of bills he [co-]sponsored and think he didn't do anything: they are wrong.

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"Go yell at an M&M"

So he was good at adding pork to spending bills.

Yup, he sure wasn't like any other politician. A real outsider.

23 years of pork bill spending. What a rebel!

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Didn't you vote for the Bern?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Yes. CA is an "open primary state" for the Dems. That means you can vote in the Dem primary no matter what your registration is (you just have to request a Dem ballot). I am registered without party affiliation so I vote in the Dem primaries (the Republican Party does not allow this).

I voted for Bernie, as did (i believe) most California porimary voters did and it California was stolen by Clinton.

I think any sort of half assed look into this last election will uncover massive voter fraud here in california.

Keep in mind Trump's claim of "millions of illegal votes" is always laughed off by saying there's no way "millions of people" voted illegally.

Millions of votes and millions of people voting are two different things. We've had districts here where many more votes were cast that there are registered voters. Back when absentee ballots were heavily republican leaning our own county "lost" a huge percentage of absentee ballots during a very heated congressional election. Those ballots never got counted and the dem won by a very slim margin.

My FIL worked at a polling place. He encountered multiple people coming in to vote multiple times. They were all given "provisional ballots" on their second, third and fourth rounds of voting.

Bernie got robbed.

BTW, my vote for Bernie was just to help buoy him so Hillary would have to spend more money.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

So you're a socialist who hates socialism. No wonder you're going to therapy.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Um. No.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

It's ok to be fucked up.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

He's a great guy alright. Look at his utopia.

http://www.miamiherald.com/...rticle138964428.html

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

Bernie Sanders passed more bills and amendments than Hillary Clinton and has a long history of working with Republicans. Republicans want smaller government while Bernie wants more effective government. These are not necessarily at odds with each other. Several Republicans who worked with Bernie when he was Mayor of Burlington or when he chaired Veterans Affairs supported Bernie over anyone in the Republican field. Bernie has had lots of positions conservatives could like. He was against the Iraq invasion, he was against the USA Patriot Act and against NSA surveillance programs.

Then why are Democratic Socialist countries like Germany, France, Italy and Scandinavia have more socioeconomic mobility, spend less on health care yet have better outcomes, provide affordable secondary education, etc.

What we have now, crony capitalism, where we privatize wealth and socialize debt is actually the worst of all worlds. A "purer" version of either laissez faire capitalism or of socialism would be a big improvement over what we have now. Our system of high nominal business tax rates with extensive loopholes is basically a way for politicians on both sides of the isle to shake down corporations for campaign contributions.

You somewhat answered your own question.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

You mean you agree with me? I may have to reevaluate my position!

Yes.

Here's where..


I have never said anything here that contradicts what you wrote above.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Man, had this guy been a contender, he would have been tanked. The Clinton campaign has so much crap on him that had he given any fight, he would have been done. He was handled with Kid Gloves. You think Trump would have been as nice? I mean the guy got kicked out of a socialist commune for not pulling his weight in the work that needed to be done, had a honeymoon in the Soviet Union, spoke highly of brutal dictators of the socialist and communist persuasion.

And this is just the stuff a quick google search pulls up.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

There is an old saying, consider the source. You can cherry pick random facts on anyone and make them look like a monster. There is often more to the story. Y'know that Bernie Sanders was mayor of Burlington and traveling to Yaroslavl to establish a sister city in the USSR was an official duty. Yaroslavl is also beautiful and you could do a lot worse choosing a honeymoon spot. Most Cubans were illiterate under Batista and one of the high priorities of Castro was to build schools and educate everyone; lots of people including conservatives have acknowledged Castro's success in this area while condemning his human rights abuses. I haven't heard the story of him being kicked out of a commune. I will have to look that one up.

I'll save you the effort.

http://dailycaller.com/...une-for-not-working/

The idea of him being kicked out of a Hippie Commune is more disturbing to me than the rest. I don't think Castro is the threat to the US others do, and I do happen to believe that Batista was such a corrupt individual that he made Castro possible. But a lot of people in Florida do. No way would Bernie have won Florida. Going to the Soviet Union during the Cold War could be explained as you say, but that goes beyond a 30 second easy to understand sound bite. It is one thing when the mayor of new York goes to the cold war USSR for a sister city. It is really another no big deal when the governor of Texas does that. But when you are an admitted socialist from a blue state who openly talks about how great castro is, and even said good things about Venezuela, it fits a pattern of behavior most people over 60 would see as un-American.

The fact that he has no track record of working or success would hurt him in blue collar states. He may have done better than Hillary, but he is all sizzle, no steak. His solution is handouts. Blatant handouts. Sure, people like getting stuff for free, but not everyone likes "getting a handout". Bernie made no effort to hide that is what he was selling. That doesn't play well with blue collar people who want to work. Trump would have edged him out on that. Both were talking about punishing companies that move oversees, but Bernie was attacking successful individuals to, like most socialist do. That holds more weight when you have been successful and feel others should pull their weight. LBJ was such a person, a very wealthy individual who made not apologies for being rich, but felt he should give back. Bernie is a POS who never held a job, and didn't pull his weight in a commune. Now he want producers to contribute more? Fuck you dude.

Like I said in the first paragraph, there is a pattern with him. Bernie Sanders was a backbencher whose name only crossed the lips of people like my dad who is a very radical leftist until he became popular with college students. But here is the problem. Hillary proved youth turnout Obama saw was an anomaly. I told you this form my own observations as a democratic PC in college). The democrat reliance on the youth is a losing strategy. There was no excitement for him beyond no nothing youth and radical elements in the left. Rational democrats and anybody over 60 would see him for what he is, a radical, whose behavior would have been un-American as recently as 1990. Chris Matthews even pointed out in an interview with DWS how a socialist radical was getting so much acceptance in Kennedy's party. Odd times indeed. He wouldn't have won by a long shot. It would have been Walter Mondale II.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

That happened 46 years ago and people are still holding it against him? Anyone using that as an argument against him needs to be consistent if they use the "that was a long time ago, people change" argument to defend people they do like.

Yes and no. First you have to acknowledge that people are not consistent, and that is why that would hurt anybody. Then you have to consider him vs just anybody. Had this happened 45 years ago it would be different. I was clear it is just one of many things that emerge as a pattern for this guy. An admitted socialist, a guy who has never worked a day in his life for an employer lecturing employers how they should run their companies, a life long elected official, going to cold war soviet union, praising castro and chavez.

None of these alone would be earth shattering, but some of these are decades old, some over decades, and some recent. If it quacks like a duck...

The guy is red. He would not be popular. But knows what else may have been dug up by professional muckrakers. I mean, he may not have paid to watch Russian hookers piss on each other, he may have paid to piss on a Russian hooker fucking his wife (JK), but see what I mean. This is just the stuff that know about. Who knows what we would find out about him under a microscope. And in today's 24 hour news cycle, nobody cares what the real story is if it can't be explained in 30 second sound bites. You don't think Roger Stone who turned political guerilla warfare into an art form couldn't manufacture something that would have been believable to at least some segment that might support Bernie?

Here's a good example. When you think of Richard Gere what do you think? I mean honestly. I'll tell what isn't the first thing to pop in my mind, Officer and a Gentlemen, American Jiggalo (and by association Blondie), and Pretty woman. These were items 2, 3, 4 and 5 respectively that popped in my head. You know what number one is and you and I both know it didn't happen. But you hear something enough, the seed is planted and somebody forever becomes associated with it. First thing I think of with Bernie Sanders is Pinko Commie. Certainly a partisan biased association, but common enough even moderate people associate him with some form of extreme socialism or communism. Whether true or not doesn't matter.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden