Not all day, every day...only when visiting US, Oregon maybe. OK, just kidding, but I was really curious about if anybody had first hand experience with them :-)

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I can not tell you how effective it is, as I have not found my self the victim of some Lunatic yet, and none of the ongoing active shooter events have been close enough for me to run over to and get involved in. But I wear a Bullet Proof vest all the time, for just such a situation. Yes, its heavy, bulky and they do need to be replaced as the kevlar has a shelf life, but so far it has worked, with my pistol and Bullet Proof vest I have yet to be attacked.

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You might be able to find something relatively unobtrusive that can stop a pistol round, but anything that will stop something fired from a rifle will require heavy plates.

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Just don't buy one from this company (if they do make bulletproof vests):

http://www.independent.co.uk/...f-vest-a6800171.html

Judging by the most recently (re)proposed AWB, it's anything with a barrel shroud. Doesn't matter though just be sure to test it first.

One should also fret about the possibility of knife attacks. That said, I'd recommend against this brand of stab-proof vests.

Seriously, it is akin to wearing a life vest on any airplane that travels over water.

I'm honestly curious, how is it any different then a need to conceal carry? Both are serving the exact same function, one defensive the other offensive, for the exact same scenario...someone trying to kill you with a weapon. If it is a irrational consideration for a vest then why is it not also an irrational consideration for conceal carry?

~Matt

Everything you want to know:

http://www.bulletproofme.com/Quick_Answers.shtml

I think the legal section is a little out of date. I'm pretty sure NYS also made them illegal last summer, but maybe not. I would certainly ask a LEO before buying one and wearing it.

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One is trying to stop an attack, the other is trying to survive the attack.

Neither is likely to be used but one is a lot less intrusive to normal daily life than the other.

Not everyone CC's solely for personal protection.


Why not take your point further and suggest anyone who carries a weapon should always sport full SWAT riot gear? After all, one shouldn't put one's $2 brain in front of a $0.50 bullet without something in between the two. It's because wearing riot gear (or a vest) is so impractical that doing so makes it border on irrational. Loads of examples related to actually carrying a weapon, but think prepper here: having emergency provisions is a good thing, but building a nuclear-proof bunker stocked with food for 2 years becomes irrational.

The fact that you say one is defensive and the other offensive undermines your claim that they are "serving the exact same function," does it not?

I disagree with your assessment that the sole, or even primary, reason for concealed carry is the proposition that someone is trying to kill you will a weapon. In addition, many "bullet proof vests" do not stop knife punctures. Vest do not protect your head, neck, arms, legs, and barely cover your chest.

Concealed carry can stop you from being attacked at all. A vest serves no such function. Concealed carry can prevent harm to another. A vest serves no such function.

Your conclusion that concealed carry is "offensive" is a disturbing misunderstanding of the reason for concealed carry.

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See these guys. I bought level 3 plates for my Carrier from them. Not practical for everyday use, but they have a lot of options. There new store is on two miles from my office.

Good guys, good prices. God bless America.

http://www.ar500armor.com

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A few years back there was a sniper in dc. My family lived there and I frequently visited and interned there around that time. People were buying billet proof vests. Interestingly, the one my uncle bought wouldn't have worked against the round used.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

How about concealed carry of a food processor? According to The Economist, the odds of choking to death are 5 times more likely than being shot to death, roughly 100,000/1 vs. 500,000/1. Just to be safe, a prudent person should puree all food products into a smooth paste before consuming.

Lol. You're on a roll. Thanks for the laugh.

Anecdote.

I was perusing the local army/navy surplus. On a coat rack there were a number of Chinese "plate carriers". Really just MOLLE (in appearance only) vest with some glorified pockets they call plate carriers, all ready to fall apart the first time you put it on. No ballistic protection in and of itself. Plate inserts were required, not included of course. The vests were $50.

I was sneering at these when one caught my eye. Different camo pattern on it. I picked it up. NSN number on it. Ballistic tag: stops 9mm at up to 1500fps. Caution do not launder do not fold. If creased discard.

Price tag? Also $50.

So I bought it. This was over 10 years ago. I still have it. I'll likely never need it but for the price hell I had to get it.

Wow. For $50 I would have done the same. That's one of those things where, when I see it, I jump on it no matter how remote the need. Foolish? Maybe. But I would have been all over it.

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Was the brand condor or utg? If so , that is for airsoft. Im amazed when I read the reviews for this and actual police officers use them.

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Pretty sure we all do this. They're called "teeth".

One is trying to stop an attack, the other is trying to survive the attack.

How is shooting the other guy before they shoot you not trying to survive an attack? Furthermore both are predicated on a happening that is unlikely to happen, like wearing a life preserver in a plane over water.

Neither is likely to be used but one is a lot less intrusive to normal daily life than the other.

Depends on the fit of both does it not?

~Matt

The fact that you say one is defensive and the other offensive undermines your claim that they are "serving the exact same function," does it not?

Not at all, the function of both is to survive an attack. If Green Bay wants to win a game they can win it defensively or offensively...the function is to win the game.

I disagree with your assessment that the sole, or even primary, reason for concealed carry is the proposition that someone is trying to kill you will a weapon. In addition, many "bullet proof vests" do not stop knife punctures. Vest do not protect your head, neck, arms, legs, and barely cover your chest.

Concealed carry can stop you from being attacked at all. A vest serves no such function. Concealed carry can prevent harm to another. A vest serves no such function.

Your conclusion that concealed carry is "offensive" is a disturbing misunderstanding of the reason for concealed carry.

All of this is nice and all but is still predicated on some form of attack taking place in the same manner that wearing a life vest is predicated on a plane crashing over water. I'm not disagreeing that CC is more functional then a vest, I'm disagreeing with you statement that one is irrational and the other is completely rational.

CC is based entirely on some form of attack. Yes it allows you to protect others. Yes it may stop an attack, but all of this simply boils down to preventing an event that is unlikely to ever happen. A vest is predicated on the same thing, although only slightly less likely and with only slightly less function.

If CC is completely rational, thinking about wearing a vest is only slightly less rational not completely irrational.

~Matt

How about concealed carry of a food processor? According to The Economist, the odds of choking to death are 5 times more likely than being shot to death, roughly 100,000/1 vs. 500,000/1. Just to be safe, a prudent person should puree all food products into a smooth paste before consuming.

The "List of things we do everyday that are FAR more dangerous then the likelihood of an attack" is VERY long. I also have ZERO problem with protecting or planning for those events. If a person thinks that carrying a gun offers them a bit of protection, I'm all for it. My point is however that if a person believes that wearing a vest offers them a bit of protection that is no more irrational then wanting to carry a gun. For me I find the idea of carrying a gun burdensome and needless...same for a vest. I find it odd however that a person would claim "Everyone should CC...oh but wow dude you're nuts if you're looking into wearing a vest."

~Matt

Sort of like smoke detectors. Do you have any of those in your home? Check out the odds of being a victim of violent crime vs. the odds of a fire in your home.

There are some jackets that are from Israel that have IIIa level .

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Again, you are wrong on your assumptions. You seem to believe a vest and a CC are premised on the same event, which is a mistaken premise upon which to base your conclusion. There is support for the position that an armed populace reduces the number of soft targets, thus having a deterrent affect on violence without ever having to draw the gun. A vest serves no similar purpose.

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