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Re: Slowman = Censorship [Power13] [ In reply to ]
 
The filtered quasi-reality that is "war reporting" is a decent place to start. Not to mention other places in the world where true censorship is a problem. Much like AnthonyS, it just pisses me off when people whine about "censorship" on private forums that they joined voluntarily. There's too much real censorship in the world to start whining about not getting a hug on an online forum.
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [DrPete] [ In reply to ]
 
But the claim was that the news "in this country" was completely censored crap. Not the rest of the world, here. So who is doing the censoring?

(and I am more than willing to agree that the news in this country is complete crap....but that is a different topic.)

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Re: Slowman = Censorship [Goosedog] [ In reply to ]
 
loved that movie. That makes Dan a real bad ass!


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Re: Slowman = Censorship [Skoalz] [ In reply to ]
 
The OP could do like Jay & Silent Bob when they got royalty money and hunt down/ retrieve every blogger/poster who disrespected or censored them on line and beat the hell out of them (including a priest).

You can use run-on sentences, but you can't hide indefinitely on the interweb.

My thread got pulled out and it was fair. I admit, I cried a bit about it then it passed.
+ a witch-hunt is fun up until the culprit is ousted. After that it can get ugly.
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Re: Slowman = Censorship [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
 
Rappstar wrote:
peterot wrote:
Stockhouse is full of people doing illegal things. It is a dirty dirty forum but really useful if you are into trading stocks, particularly day trading. Even biggest scum bags provide valuable information. That is my point. All info provided is useful in some way to someone. If it is illegal it can be dealt with by the proper authorities.


I disagree with your analogy, and I hope my explanation might provide some insight about why we choose to moderate the way we do.

Generally, if you want to make use of the information on a forum like Stockhouse, it's your own money that you're risking. A forum like Stockhouse is sort of the ultimate expression of "publicly available information being taken into consideration in the price of a security." Personally, I think it's also part of the reason why volatility indices have gotten so f'ed up in recent years, and why valuation of a lot of things - especially commodities, which really ought to have a more "rational" value - is so insane. But that's more Lavender Room territory.

But, generally, there's a pretty objective to evaluate past predictive performance. And, further, the risk is shouldered by you as the investor that chooses to make use - or not - of the information you find on stockhouse. YOUR money is on the line.

In the case of trial by internet here, it's rarely - if ever - your money (or even your reputation) that's on the line. It's that of a race, or a race director, or an athlete, or bike company, etc. There's no real skin in the game. Your race experience is not substantially affected by whether another participant cheated. So even if the information is accurate, it's still not necessarily "useful" to most people other than in a strictly voyeuristic way. Yes, you want to know if someone cheated. But you don't really derive any actual value from knowing it.

Moderating a forum like Stockhouse is necessarily impossible, because in order for it to function in a reasonably fair way, you basically have to allow everything. It's not fair to delete a post that says, "I'm short on XYZ you ignorant motherfucker," while leaving a post that says, "I'm long on XYZ. Have a nice day." But that same logic doesn't apply here. Decorum does matter here. Truth does matter here. We're not going to allow trial by internet because there's not necessarily a corresponding "free market" to actually sort things out in "the real world."

Stockhouse doesn't censor stuff because you are most likely to screw yourself based on bad information there. We do censor stuff because you are most likely to screw someone else based on bad information here. That's why, for example, this post is not being censored (yet; if it is, it will ONLY be because it becomes a re-hash of the Chicago threads, as often happens). Though I think you might have been better off posting it here - http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...post=1566945#1566945

Do you actually beleive the BS you spew sometimes "Decorum does matter here" - funny "Truth does matter here" - if this was the case you wouldnt censor so much. censorship often results in untruth. there are instances where censorship is required but sure as hell not on a triathlon forum. THe bottomline for you guys is the financial bottomline. You dont care about truth and decorum (what bs) you care about traffic and keeping industry folks happy so they dont cut ads and drive traffic elsewhere. This site is a communication tool second and money maker first which is unfortunate as the forum is the best part of the entire site, which has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions recently. People avoid homepage all together to come directly to a forum that is being censored to the point where only warm and fuzzy stuff is given approval. Your rampant censorship is opening the door for another forum to takeover. I am not debating whether Slowman has the right to censor or if it is his property. He does not own the discussion, opinions, and ideas being written. I would just like to see less (no) censorship on the forum. The shit being censored is such a joke, particularly the most recent examples i noted. You comparison of the differences between Stockhouse and Slowtwitch shows your inexpereince with stockhouse.

A forum like Stockhouse is sort of the ultimate expression of "publicly available information being taken into consideration in the price of a security." - the info on stockhouse is so much more, the info being share goes beyond the public realm, insider info is posted regularly, ceos comment, IR people are present, the emotion of the forum on big news, rumour or extreme market conditions, and the pump and dump scemes going on. The info that can be teased out of stockhouse is good stuff. Discussion are allowed to go in all directions. I would suggest you spend some time there as it will provide you with an example of a forum that has energy, knowledgable people, real uncensored info, usefulness. Again, there have been numerous posts regarding the lack of energy or interesting post on slowtwitch, censorship has likely contributed to this. You guys are killing something good. in other forums outside of slowtwitch to know that this forum is dying a slow death and that it is lacking big time, particularly in the regard to the censorship, parameters put on discussion, etc. Just my opinion.

To everyone else, it is probably time to get off your knees and let Slowman and other mods. get back to censoring this forum.
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
Good grief. Go away or contribute or lurk. Your choice.

Dan & ST has no moral or legal obligation to put up with shit like yours.

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Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
peterot wrote:
Your rampant censorship is opening the door for another forum to takeover.

Like which one? BT? Ahh, I crack myself up sometimes.

For the rest of your rant: cool story, bro.
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [walnutcreek tri] [ In reply to ]
 
walnutcreek tri wrote:
He sells ad space. No one wants to pay for ad space on a forum full of trash and douche bags.

Have you been to letsrun?

wait. Isn't that every internet forum?
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [aftereffector] [ In reply to ]
 
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Here is a bit of data from alexa.com - Slowtwitch sure aint growing. I am sure the censorship and forum manipulation will help with that. Industry will be happy but there wont be anyone on the site so they will pull their ads. anyway.
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
Are you a lonely, bored 12 year old boy who's parents put a porn filter on your computer? Looking for some attention?

If not I can't figure out for the life of me why you are saying this stupid shit.

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Re: Slowman = Censorship [JenSw] [ In reply to ]
 
JenSw wrote:
Are you a lonely, bored 12 year old boy who's parents put a porn filter on your computer? Looking for some attention?

If not I can't figure out for the life of me why you are saying this stupid shit.

I cant believe so many support censorship. Pointing out needless censorship is stupid shit?
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
Pointing out needless censorship over needless discussions is indeed stupid shit.

Talk about first world problems...

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Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
That statement implies there is an assumption of freedom of speech with no consequence. That doesn't exist, anywhere.

People who post here generally know this isn't a public place at all. We don't expect to be able to say whatever we want. I can't figure out where you got the idea that you could.

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"In order to keep a true perspective on one's importance, everyone should have a dog that worships him and a cat that will ignore him." - Dereke Bruce
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
peterot wrote:
The more recent example of Slowman censorship was when a discussion developed about Callenge Penticton and Slowman set parameters about how and what people could discuss and they just agreed with him like he was Father and they were two year old children.

Are you talking about this thread: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

What happened there was that Dan deleted, at Challenge's request, a copy-paste of a Challenge press release that they had mistakenly posted online prior to the official announcement.

The reason no one complained was that they understood that the deletion was made as a courtesy.

You can call it censorship if you like, but if Slowtwitch operated the way you want it to - with no courtesy, and no moderation to get rid of the snake oil sellers, or libelers, or offensive idiots - the discussion would quickly devolve, and I personally wouldn't spend any time here.

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Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
peterot wrote:


Do you actually beleive the BS you spew sometimes "Decorum does matter here" - funny "Truth does matter here" - if this was the case you wouldnt censor so much. censorship often results in untruth. there are instances where censorship is required but sure as hell not on a triathlon forum. THe bottomline for you guys is the financial bottomline. You dont care about truth and decorum (what bs) you care about traffic and keeping industry folks happy so they dont cut ads and drive traffic elsewhere. This site is a communication tool second and money maker first which is unfortunate as the forum is the best part of the entire site, which has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions recently. People avoid homepage all together to come directly to a forum that is being censored to the point where only warm and fuzzy stuff is given approval. Your rampant censorship is opening the door for another forum to takeover. I am not debating whether Slowman has the right to censor or if it is his property. He does not own the discussion, opinions, and ideas being written. I would just like to see less (no) censorship on the forum. The shit being censored is such a joke, particularly the most recent examples i noted. You comparison of the differences between Stockhouse and Slowtwitch shows your inexpereince with stockhouse.

A forum like Stockhouse is sort of the ultimate expression of "publicly available information being taken into consideration in the price of a security." - the info on stockhouse is so much more, the info being share goes beyond the public realm, insider info is posted regularly, ceos comment, IR people are present, the emotion of the forum on big news, rumour or extreme market conditions, and the pump and dump scemes going on. The info that can be teased out of stockhouse is good stuff. Discussion are allowed to go in all directions. I would suggest you spend some time there as it will provide you with an example of a forum that has energy, knowledgable people, real uncensored info, usefulness. Again, there have been numerous posts regarding the lack of energy or interesting post on slowtwitch, censorship has likely contributed to this. You guys are killing something good. in other forums outside of slowtwitch to know that this forum is dying a slow death and that it is lacking big time, particularly in the regard to the censorship, parameters put on discussion, etc. Just my opinion.

To everyone else, it is probably time to get off your knees and let Slowman and other mods. get back to censoring this forum.


Actually, the slowtwitch homepage is the best information on Triathlon available on the internet (or anywhere else for that matter). Unfortunately, for you, it doesn't have any info about stock markets. I also find it highly humorous that someone who spends his life on stock market forums, accuses Dan of thinking money first. Why are you here again?
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
peterot wrote:
To everyone else, it is probably time to get off your knees and let Slowman and other mods. get back to censoring this forum.


 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [JenSw] [ In reply to ]
 
JenSw wrote:
Are you a lonely, bored 12 year old boy who's parents put a porn filter on your computer? Looking for some attention?

If not I can't figure out for the life of me why you are saying this stupid shit.

Nailed it.
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
This isn't 4chan and thank god for that.

Why don't you go back to /b/ with all of your fellow basement dwelling neckbeards.

Cheers,


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Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 

 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
peterot wrote:
...censored to the point where only warm and fuzzy stuff is given approval...

You obviously don't actually read this forum...

-David
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [JSA] [ In reply to ]
 
This is his "business" - pays the bills for Slowman, Herbert and Jordan. This is a "propaganda" machine, just like every news channel.

Do you think Rapp would be as high profile triathlete without ST? He's got the marketing savy, so probably yes, but he seems to be doing more for the Rapp brand being on slowtwitch then his actual racing.



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Re: Slowman = Censorship [peterot] [ In reply to ]
 
peterot wrote:
I just took a peak at the Chicago cheating thread and the first message I see is another message by judge, jury and executioner (aka Slowman). Holy Faq I am not sure why you feel the need. If people are out of line let the legal system deal with them. The forum I view most often is Stockhouse and it is actually quit common that companies to take legal action against posters. You dont see power hunger moderators taking over and getting involved. The only threads/posts deleted are spam and all else goes. It is very refreshing compared to Slowtwitch in that regard. Given the forum is about the stock market and people losing and making money you can just imagine how negative things can get on there.

Please, if a post is out of line or illegal than let the legal system deal with it and stay the faq out of it. This goes to your staffers as well. You have no legal obligation to censor the forum like you do. If you feel you have some sort of moral or ethical obligation, get over it. The most evil things put on this forum would be consider light-hearted on Stockhouse and many other forums.

It seems almost every thread i read now there is something censored.

STOP THE CENSORSHIP

http://www.stockwatch.com/...bol=WND&region=C

What else do you worry about during the day?


 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [stratman05] [ In reply to ]
 
stratman05 wrote:
This is his "business" - pays the bills for Slowman, Herbert and Jordan. This is a "propaganda" machine, just like every news channel.

Do you think Rapp would be as high profile triathlete without ST? He's got the marketing savy, so probably yes, but he seems to be doing more for the Rapp brand being on slowtwitch then his actual racing.

You don't think that Jordan's race results don't speak for themselves?!? What planet do you live on?
 
Re: Slowman = Censorship [stratman05] [ In reply to ]
 
stratman05 wrote:
This is his "business" - pays the bills for Slowman, Herbert and Jordan. This is a "propaganda" machine, just like every news channel.

Do you think Rapp would be as high profile triathlete without ST? He's got the marketing savy, so probably yes, but he seems to be doing more for the Rapp brand being on slowtwitch then his actual racing.

You are kidding, right? First, ST has a huge following, but, no one outside of tri knows about it. In the tri scene, the percentage of athletes who spend time here is quite small. We like to think every triathlete visits here, but most I talk to don't even know about the site.

Second, are you nuts? The guy wins everything he enters! He does not need ST to gain a following.

Finally, ST gives us shlubs access to top level pros like Jordan. He doesn't need us, but, we are damn lucky to have him.

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Re: Slowman = Censorship [JenSw] [ In reply to ]
 
JenSw wrote:
Are you a lonely, bored 12 year old boy who's parents put a porn filter on your computer? Looking for some attention?

If not I can't figure out for the life of me why you are saying this stupid shit.


I just blew coffee out of my nose... If I weren't already married, I think I'd ask for your hand just based on this comment! Nice...


Oh, and to "Peterot": I was actually following this thread and listening to your BS right up until you insulted (or tried to) a professional athlete who takes time frequently to come on here and post advice and guidance to us wanna-be's. Even taking the time to answer personal questions with personal emails. As a retired pro-athlete (different sport) I admit I rarely ever did that. I've only been a member of ST Nation for about a year and a half, but based on your comments I think it's my right to tell you to go to hell, you don't belong here.



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