If you want me to READ something how bout you work on READING yourself. Go back and read my response where you asked whether I raced elite or AG and then come back and rewrite the above. I'll even make it easy for you. Its on page 3 of this thread. Post # 64.

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Put the shovel down dude.

So if you have a problem with Elites retiring from Elite racing and returning to the AG ranks - you must really have a problem with those of us AGers who don't take the step up to the Elite ranks.

your wife put you up to this didn't she?

Love it! Have him call my guy!

So, the current rule as USAT is concerned is anyone (whether they raced pro last weekend or not), can race as as AGer at any time and be eligible for prize money and/or awards? I didn't know that, but since I am not competing with the, I guess I never needed to know.

Nope, It's a hyp[othetical question for a possible policy change. Do what makes you proud of your accomplishments.

Wow, now I'm totally confused.

Are you a politician?

This thread keeps reminding me of this quote.

"Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience." - unknown

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I have deceptive speed.........I'm slower than I look!

But you're not looking for competition. You're looking for a diluted field where everyone can fit into their nice separate categories and there are awards for all!
Most people on here want to race the best, that's competition!

I outsplit Jen Gutierrez on the bike in a local sprint tri a few years ago. Might have beat her overall if it wasn't for that pesky swim and run. Getting chicked by former Olympians is awesome.

Susan came in top 6 OA last month in a local sprint here in CO.

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Yep, dah, I am out.

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Come race in New Zealand then, we have a Gold medalist racing .... http://www.multisportaustralia.com.au/...;EId=2&AId=89692

Lucky for me he's actually 7 years older than me so he will always be 1 AG above me!


Oh and a Kona winner http://www.multisportaustralia.com.au/...;EId=2&AId=89889

and a Commonwealth Gold medalist http://www.multisportaustralia.com.au/...;EId=2&AId=90015

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No, I would not agree. When I was racing and training full time I was swimming three to four days a week, biking four days and running about 50+ miles a week. Now as husband, business owner, and maybe a father some day, I would not go back to doing what qualified me as an elite. I still want to toss my hat in the ring but it wouldn't be under the same preparation. I can name many gals and dudes like me that have started another chapter in their lives and who still love the sport of triathlon. You should offer your community, online or otherwise, more than your foolish train of thought and approach to our sport. Make it better by not posting illogical comments about me and every athlete of any caliber who has ever toed the line.

QFMFT!!

Well said, sir.

John

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Now that ST is fully on board with the same data I was looking at...I ask the question again

Those who don't think Susan Williams should be allowed to race AG: 1 (the OP)

Those who 't think Susan Williams should be allowed to race AG: Everyone else
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Update:

Those who don't think Susan Williams should be allowed to race AG: 1 (the OP)

Those who think Susan Williams should be allowed to race AG: Everyone else

Those who think the OP cheated by cutting the run course during a 70.3 earlier this year: 6-8

i was at age group nationals last year and in the same wave as susan w. when we were wating in the water to start, all the women around me,including me, thought it was cool that she was there in the age group wave. didn't see a problem. what's she supposed to do? give up the sport? no problem!

Updated your numbers. Just joined this post, but I'm definitely thinking dr.numbnuts cut the course

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Seems to be a hot topic. My comment/opinion is with most races this should be okay. However, the USAT Nationals is one of the few ways an aspiring AG who wants to make Elite status can qualify.....making the top 5. So my question is.....should this be okay.....taking away one of the top five spots for an AG who is trying to make Elite status? Or because she is former Elite, does her first place finish not count towards the qualifying and it goes down to top 6? Just wondering since this aspect hasn't been addressed yet.

I agree mostly with everything you say except for the statement that it's an "elite race already." If it were truly elite they wouldn't have qualification standards that are quite poor. Taking the top 10% from any USAT race or 33% from "special qualifiers" isn't exactly a high standard. Their primary objective is to make money and that means maintaining high participant levels. That definitely doesn't mean everyone there is elite nor do they have a chance in hell to achieve a top age group finish there or anywhere else. Instead they just want to say they were at "nationals" because it sounds like a big accomplishment.

I agree. It is far for an elite race even though very fast people do show up. You can do a super sprint with a 250 yard pool swim and qualify for the USAT Nat Olympic race.

It IS a big accomplishment for many people. I know many who have tried and tried to qualify, but no luck. It might easy for you and many on ST, but for the vast majority in our sport, it is NOT easy.

No different that trying to qualify for Boston. Many will say it is easy. But again, I know many who keep trying and do not make it.

Should Boston only let in the "elite" since why have all those "slow" folks running? Yes, the BOP and MOP in any race, no matter what the standards, pay for the FOP to race. Why does this seem so hard for so many to understand? No "slow" racers, NO RACE!!

And guess what, if us slow AGers did not pay our fees, there would be no US Olympic racers, since they get a free ride from AG money.

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I completely agree. Compared to Kona and Vegas, the 2 long course "championship" races, I think the qualification standards for the 2 olympic races that could be considered "championship" races are much lower. Those 2 races being HyVee and AG Nats.

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