"Hey, we somehow got onto this boat with these billionaires for this post race party and now all these UK billionaires want to bid for this triathlon race they just saw."

I feel like every ProTriNews podcast is a very lower enlisted "no-shit there I was story" that my troops used to tell every time we'd be in the field for over a week.

ETA: This isn't to be negative, I find the parallels epically hilarious.

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I talked to messic while in line to start he swim. Basically I begged him to leave it in Kona. He said he may not have a choice. Then he kinda smiled and said don’t worry or something like that.. I got the feeling he knew where it was going and it wasn’t likely to be Kona.. ugggh. I begged more and asked him to be patient. Please not st George, please
Side note I was the the first wave and it was weird how wet the carpet was… I swear it hadn’t rained yet. So nasty.

I’m 100% with Dan on this one: https://www.slowtwitch.com/..._WC_Status_8081.html

Carpet was good by me: no pebbles and smooth carpet the whole way. They really knocked it out of the park all around! Wow

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I meant pee all over the carpet.. haha it was nasty

Ok, just listened and I’m going to put it in the “controversy is good for triathlon” category.

A few things though, whining about the swim being a bit bumpy? Another one was when Talbot said they would be racing 3 ironmans next year and they were like “no, when you get top 5 at WC you auto qualify”…lol.

I don’t mind these guys, they make the races interesting….but there’s going to be a lot of counter smack talk!!!!

If people are bored and like these podcasts then I would encourage them to have a listen.

Maurice

I wonder if Miles has posters of Sam on his bedroom wall, maybe even has a Sam Long duvet cover 😂

I live in Norway and this is not them being arrogant. They believe in themselves and they don’t let doubt creep in. Believe me there are arrogant people in Norway and these 2 are nothing like them. The other thing to consider is that they are talking in their second language, and often translations from Norwegian to English are very direct, it can take some getting used to.

Of course they are cocky too, and very confident, but they definitely have a right to be so as long as they back it up.

Interestingly in the UK there is a perception that Americans are arrogant because of the way they talk and self promote. I’ll have to ask the Mrs what the Norwegian stereotypes of Americans are now I think of it.

It’s actually fun seeing the smack talk and wondering how the guys from different countries take it. What’s normal/acceptable in Australia, UK, USA, Norway, Canada, Germany etc is vastly different.

How do you get to St George from aus and Europe and is there much accomodation?

One of the challenges with kona is the expense and limited hotels.

The podcast is hilarious, these guys are great for the sport. The rumor about the April race is a small part of this interview. The better and more entertaining part is the smack talk.....So many small hilarious comments about Sanders and Iden talking smack about Blumenthal. The final part with Iden talking about his account on OnlyFans is pretty damn funny too.....Triathlon might actually have some fun characters to listen to the next 5-10 years.

The smacktalk was fun, the main uncool part was talking about Jan/Brownlee/Gomez not showing up in the twilight of their career in fear of getting their reputations hurt by coming 3rd or 4th...but then asked why Cozumel and not California, he gave roughly the same excuse that Jan gave which was "sticking to my plan" . You never know when you have a bad injury of accidentt and time at the top is fleeting so so talking down former champions seemed a bit out of line given that they have stood the test of time. But as some said on here, it may be the translation, but it seemed uncalled for since Jan just beat Iden at Collins Cup after doing an Ironman in July.

If they don't think they can hold the race in February then I guess something is better than nothing . . . but for me personally, I don't think I would do this event.

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Well, Jan wasn't qualified. Brownlee was and Gomez was. Brownlee ended up getting injured and I have no idea about Javier.

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When he sang Jenni from the Block I was dying! Hilarious. and his bit about not knowing anyone at the start line …

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The funniest part was when they asked Iden why he was going to train with Lionel instead of Blu and he said he needed to train with someone without limits 😂😂😂

and then Blu said he needs someone with the funny run style … their humor toys with arrogance to an extreme.

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It may sound arrogant to hear Iden say he knew he had the win coming out of T2 but who legitimately was going to catch him 3 mins up the road? Of course he could have blown up on the run but seems like he knows how to keep things under control. He needed stronger runners coming off the bike with him and Brownlee, Gomez and a qualified Frodeno could have been that competition. I wouldn't say he's arrogant but he definitely doesn't sound humble! I thought it was an entertaining interview either way.

I always knew that someday the WC would leave Hawaii.
Once it's gone, it's not coming back.

I disagree. I think they'll move it as a one-off due to the 'rona, and then it's going right back to Hawaii as soon as it is feasible.

Kona is their sacred cow. Everybody there knows that.

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Agree 100%

Kona is definitely the sacred cow. Especially at like $1200USD an entry. IMO little to no AGer is going to want to race a WC. They want to race Kona. The way COVID is going i cannot see a global influx of 10,000 people to Hawaii for a week happening for years. It seems so distant a possibility. and Ironman need to clear the backlog of WC qualifiers. I forecast they will say AGers qualified for WC have to race WC regardless of location or forfeit their spot/transfer to another event of choosing/partial refund type scenario.

Its a no win for Ironman for sure.

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StG is awesome but I have raced there so much. I don't want "Kona" to be in StG.

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It's interesting to see how Europeans are finding these guys less arrogant than Americans seems to. I'd definitely say they are cheeky and playful, but I don't see any arrogance there. Supreme confidence rather.
Anyway, it's great fun, and I hope we have more interviews like that. Also, those guys together hold the past three 70.3 WC (counting Daytona as one), the Olympic gold, the WTS title, so...if anyone is allowed to be cheeky, it's really them. Can't wait for Sacramento.

Totally agree with this. I asked this question a couple of weeks ago in another thread when this was being discussed but nobody answered: How many people are going to want to pay $1200 to race a random IM designated as a WC but in another venue? Especially when they can race the same venue another year for a fraction of the cost and chaos involved? Kona feels worth the cost and chaos for a lot of reasons most people understand. I totally get moving it for a year or 2 because we all know what a mess things are, but rotating it seems like it would remove a whole lot of the appeal.

Also isn't it more than a bit risky racing in St. George in April? I raced there in 2010 and the race was May 1st and 2 days before the race it snowed at the highest altitudes on the bike course and that was the coldest swim in I think any race I've ever done, and I certainly don't live somewhere that I am often doing warm swims. I realize that may have been an anomaly of a year though.

Agree x3-4 or whatever.

“Kona” is the brand which transcends the target user group to the larger public.

It really comes down to whether the brand of “Ironman” has outgrown the brand of “kona”

Or the third option whether or not those two brands are inextricably linked, that’s my view and my personal opinion that this is just Messik quietly engaging in a bit of leverage, which btw is expected.

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It might not be up to Ironman.
Every race director knows that an event needs the approval of the local govt and community to take place.
Hawaii isn't hurting for tourism even in Covid times.
Once the event is gone they might realize they don't need it and don't miss it either.

Jan and Iden were on the same team and in different races at the Collins Cup. They both walked their races vs the competition.

Jan probably couldn't care less what they say about him, he'll just add it to the motivation pile and look to destroy them when he peaks. Calling Jan out for not going to 70.3 when Jan has clearly indicated that he chooses when to peak in a year and is game for a showdown with the Norwegians in Sacramento. Is Gustav willing to be called out for ducking Jan bc he wants to do Cozumel instead?

Not even just once?

I’d like the pros to have a certain WC race to work towards with zero ambiguity.

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I don't know how many times I will (or want to) race the IM world championship. So for me, I want it in Kona.

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No way they hold it in April with IMSTG being the first week in May. I can see them doing a Fri-Saturday combo in May in STG. Friday being the AG race and Saturday being the WC race. Now, in that scenario I imagine they would move the NA Championship to another IM race.

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Here you have three Norwegians, Gustav, Mikael and Kristian talking to an interviewer.
They are not speaking in their native language. But have no problem talking in English.
I am not sure how many native English speaking triathletes that are doing interviews in other languages than their own.

The guys are direct. And in a world where athletes are trying to be political correct that is refreshing.

Calling out LC guys for not racing their own championship sounds reasonalbe.
Think if the ITU guys would not race the olympics or their championship.....

They are not afraid of racing everything from Super League to Ironman.
I do not see many LC guys doing the same......

I’m American and I didn’t find the podcast arrogant. They were light hearted and honest. I mean just go look at the race day thread, we knew the race was over when Blu had the mechanical. No one was going to run Gustav down. We knew it and he knew it. No big deal.

No idea why people are annoyed at them "calling people out" that withdrew. Except for Jan. He wasn't qualified. Alistair did come up injured from his bikepacking race. Javier, no idea. But this is the thing about IM racing in general, not really about this specific race. Amateurs should never plan their races around trying to "race with" their favorite pro. I've seen in my short time so many pros that I "follow" sign up for a ton of races only to never start or were actually never even planning to do that race.

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Yeah… April in St George was the very strong rumor on the ground this past weekend…

What’s not clear to me is whether this would be for pros or AG’ers too.

I have amateur athletes that want to race in Kona since it’s iconic rather than race at a World Championship event… so while hosting a WC is important, especially for pro athletes whose careers depend on it, it’s not going to be ideal for a lot of amateur athletes that want to experience an Ironman on the Big Island.

Messick also told me that he was getting amateurs yelling at him while they were running that the race needs to stay in Kona.. not sure if it was the person above that he was referencing. It’s clearly on the minds of many.

St George is much cheaper and accommodation is fairly abundant.

Messick and Ironman created the problem of everyone wanting to race Kona by boosting the lore of Kona in their marketing over the past 10 years… the angle has always been Kona is the holy grail…

People do that?

This is kinda where I stand as well. Though I think that people will eventually move on from the attachment to Kona. I think that if the WC rotates between 3-4 interesting locations like StG. WTC will do ok. At the end of the day, the number of AGers really shooting to get to Kona may not be that material to WTC.

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Could also Rotate to largest market of Europe. Germany. Great Britain are now huge consumers of Ironman. WC not tied to USA.

Travel issues to Oz and NZ make those locales non starters.

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The likely extremely cold water temperature in April and the closeness to IMSG are two reasons I think this rumor is really strange. How cold would the water be if the race were, for example, April 23? I'd think volunteer support might be difficult with two races so close as well.

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I think you’re right… I never wanted to do 70.3 Worlds in Clearwater but I was stoked when it started relocating each year.

I might be tempted back to the IM distance if they held a WC event at a venue like StG which probably suits me better than Kona.

It could be a great strategy for Ironman… lure people into competing to qualify for two distinct Ironman events… Ironman Hawaii or Ironman WC in a different location each year.

THEY CREATED COVID-19???

The fact the race is not in kona last year or this year has nothing to do with anything you state here. They would do what ever it takes to get the race in.

Their marketing plan for kona as the holy grail the last ten years means you haven't been paying attention as it has always been the holy grail.

Not by ironman but the CONSUMER!!!!!

People fly to KONA to WATCH an IRONMAN. I can't think of another race that people do that for.

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Challenge Roth is Bavaria's largest one day sporting event. In non-covid times it's estimated at over 100,000 spectators.

I believe you're not even allowed to spectate on large portions of the Kona course. Lame.

I agree with you. Most people who qualify for Kona have no realistic aspirations of being world champion in their AG. They want to do that race on that day with all the hype and energy. At least that’s where I sit. Probably won’t ever qualify for Kona, but I certainly wouldn’t be interested in racing a WC anywhere else.

Yes but I said spectators FLY there not drive.

So think of that people FLY to kona to not even be able to watch most of the race. I guess it is the Holy grail.
It will be the holy grail and we love it is the holy grail. He know it is the race and must be the race.

70.3 worlds this weekend was good, but it was no kona lead up, kona peak fitness and kona media buzz.

Remember Penticton used to have the volunteer army. Then it became challenge and had very few Volunteers.

Ironman was the focus, athletes used to have to sign up the next day in town for the following year so would volunteer and family came to watch and volunteer. Take 2000 races out of the event and lose all the volunteers that traveled with them.

kona these people go and don't know anyone racing.

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What makes people go to Kona to watch? Ironman, media… they’ve all built it up over the last few years… driving consumer interest.

Yes, so it everything else in the world. Why buy a jaguar when a used Toyota will do. Jaguar like people and the company make it a better then other item.

Same with Kona but it isn't ironman it is the consumer.

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This is how I feel about it. I may have a chance of qualifying for Kona one day (with some luck and a weaker field) but I have ZERO chance of actually competing for the win in Kona. I think there are a lot of people in the same boat which is why for a good chunk of people Kona is more about the atmosphere, location and legacy than the actual "World Championship" part.

Bah, fly, drive... people willing to travel.

Anyone flying to Kona to watch at least knows the pros, if not a few AG's.

Challenge Penticton had "i want to see if anyone else will show up before I show up problem".
Fewer participants means fewer people willing to volunteer.

There is a whole generation of athletes who enter the sport, train and compete with the goal of *specifically* getting to Kona. If the race moves, or starts a rotation, or any of the other suggestions offered in this thread then Ironman is in danger of losing those athletes. The rest of their races are a funnel to get those folks to Kona. It seriously waters down the brand if the race becomes a traveling road show. True, a whole new group of athletes may come into the sport as a result, but my guess is that it would be a net negative.

Brand identifiers matter. It's tough to quantify, and easy to assume that the buzz/allure/fandom will simply follow the race if they choose to go somewhere else.

Near term - WTC should absolutely have a WC somewhere than can hold it in these Covid times. Long term - they have to find a way to get back to Kona if they want to keep a large portion of their customer base engaged.

That was a fun podcast. They are a bit cocky though.

They made some good points:

-I get their "If you are a LC guy, you should have raced". In WTS, everyone races. You don't see someone like, say, Mola thinking "not running as fast as I wanted this season so will not race this one" It shows that WTS athletes are mentally stronger than LC guys at handling defeats. I understand it is not that easy in the full distance, but mid-distance, these guys can recover in a week or so.

-Many members here are emotionally invested in some of these LC folks (i.e. someone even started a thread trolling that Long "beat" Blu) so this clouds their judgement, but the numbers don't lie. At the Collins Cup, Frodo and Iden times were a notch above the rest, so I can see why Iden wanted him and others to be at the race. Last guy to ever come close within three minutes of Iden was AB at Nice. So for Iden to say he knew he had the race in the bag at T2 once he knew Blu was 15 minutes behind.. well, sorry folks, but I think he was right.

-On the same note above, I love it when they call BS on Blu for not racing California!

-I agree with them that Charles performance at Leed was really impressive, SC guys racing mid distance and keeping ass, happens all the time, but the other way around?

-"We don't do anything with Jan"..that seemed a bit too blunt, but maybe I am over reading it a bit..

-I think it is super cool that he will train with Sanders (if I got this correctly).

Really not sure about that. By changing location we'd bring the sport to many more people. And, importantly, to new people. How many people going to Kona actually go every year, again and again? We see the same faces every October; not saying it's a bad thing, but then let's not pretend we want to develop the sport.

In terms of enthusiastic crowds, Kona has nothing on Roth or Frankfurt. But Ironman marketing power is too strong. It's interesting you called it a "brand" (rightly so, not challenging that). It should be a celebration of sport, an actual world championship, but it's not. It's become more of a big money-making piece of entertainment. Who here didn't go crazy at the millionth mention of "Ironman world championship BROUGHT TO YOU BY AMAZON"!? They're not promoting triathlon as much as they used to; they're promoting Hoka shoes and the Four Seasons hotel. Kona lately isn't the Kona we knew 10+ years ago. That's why I'd be sad, but also supportive, moving it to new places; the once every four year idea is pretty good.

is there a chance they host the WC the May weekend that is already scheduled for a race and just defer anyone who has entered? the ironman website has registration closed for IM StG. just a thought?

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Good catch! Interesting that registration is closed. They were pushing the IMSG price increase hard over the weekend, even up to 24 hours ago. I guess it could have filled up but doesn't it usually say "Sold Out" in the registration area?

Agree! I literally went to register for this race today (StG has been on my list and I race my "Kona" or "WC" there!)! But I hope it goes back to Kona once the dust settles!

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Perfectly normal. As everyone knows, world championships across sports are selling themselves to brands so they can exist. Sure.

There are a lot of things that AGs would want to yell at Messick about, yet the fucks he gives have been counted so many times and nobody has ever seen more than zero.

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I would bet my money on Lanzarote, because it is unusual that registration for Ironman Lanzarote 2022 is still closed. It is also a volcanic island with a very challenging course and they have the logistic with Club La Santa to host and have a safe COVID protocol.

I agree entirely. It's the fact it's Kona and the history not the because it is the WC that's the draw for athletes, otherwise people would just race the ITU long distance worlds. That said, it seems likely there may be no opportunity to go back to Kona for quite sometime so IM may just have to find somewhere else short term. Lots will depend on the people of Kona. Even aside from COVID do they actually want the race? If they have a period without it maybe they won't want it back?

Yes, that's a good guess. Has some history too, and IM know they can deliver a great race there.

Brownlee is still recovering from an injury. I dont know about Jan but he raced in Samorin few weeks ago and he is 40, and I think he cannot make the same mistake he did in 2018 worlds with that vertebrae fracture. Then Javier, ..he had to race the french grand prix the last weeks and he has a commitment with his club..I think he was willing to finish the season and maybe felt he was not in shape to do a good race in St.George (he is 38). His plans are Kona or wherever IM worlds will be held in feb and then on...I am spanish and I am bit worried about his bike leg....dont know how he can manage to be within the race after T2 cause the level of cycling has raised so so much.

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He has some work to do on the bike, only speculating, but maybe he is just focused on improving the bike as he is fully aware that unless he improves a bit he won't be competitive at the top of the sport. At 70 kg, he has enough weight to push some good wattage and he definitely has the engine but, IMHO, he just does not look comfy and relaxed in aero on that position.

While StG hosted a great event last weekend, I would:
- Feb/March:Lanzarote, since it would be a tough course, worthy of a WC. Convenient for European and North Americans to travel to.
- Oct: Las Vegas, the old Silverman course. Again, a tough course worthy of the WC title, with plenty of hotels, etc. Easy travel location.
- Oct 2023 back to Kailua-Kona, assuming pandemic safe.

With the number of people who have qualified over the last few years, the “need” for WTC to validate the WC moniker, and the assumed cash flow issue, they need to do something soon to establish a new or temporary normal.

100% agree with this. I've seen the odd ITU file from JG and he is as strong as an Ox in W/kg (he's actually only 67-68kg). But I'm not sure his W/CdA is great. Like you say has never looked that comfy on a TT bike.

Still 2x 70.3 Worlds is pretty good for being uncomfortable on TT 😃

Well, IMSTG just closed registration and they were only at about 1,600 participants. It doesn't say "Sold Out", they just closed registration. So what are they going to do if they transfer the WC to St. George? What will they do with the 1,600 people that are already registered?

I have been registered for this race since 2019 and been transferred to 4 different dates and locations already. Many of the registered participants are in the same boat. If they once again bump us to another date to accommodate the WC it would be the height of insult. The Full at St. George just seems to be cursed to uncertainty.

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I’m more worried about the pros not having another IMWC race … I want to see Frodeno racing and I want those pro’s in their twilight years able to race a WC and not have to hang up their careers bittersweetly because of Covid

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Allrighty then... Hopefully IM is not as tone deaf as you when it comes to this. Without AG'ers there would be no IM, no pro field, no triathlon. It's the AG'ers that keep getting kicked in the pants with all these changes. The Pros at least have the PTO. We just get told to shut up and get in line. IMSTG has been messed with enough...

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You’re discussing an issue of fairness here with a focus on fairness for you, not all AG’rs. Reality is, there’s been a lot of AG IM brand races this year,so kudos to them. What you’re not considering is that IM could just allow you and those 1,599 other IMSG AG’rs to do the possible WC race in StG… that’d be fair for everyone. Or maybe that’s tone deaf too, ha.

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Is it possible to do St George as scheduled Saturday and WCs Sunday May 8th?

See prior post - same wavelength! Ha

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Hmmmm...yeah, I think fairness for all 1,600 registered participants is important. Also fairness for those people that paid a disgusting amount of money for a Kona spot that now may be sharing a course with people that paid half of their entry fee? And not racing in Kona? Yes, trust me, fairness will be a huge issue on how they handle this.

It will be interesting to see if they can figure it all out. It will be painful for somebody but it has been VERY painful for a lot of us that have been registered already for this race since 2019. A lot of those 1,600 people are in my same boat.

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Yeah, I know someone who has paid over $6k in booking, canceling and rebooking travel for Kona … gotta let those folks race

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Well that would be great, I'm registered for St George, so could race Sat then watch pros Sunday. Wishful thinking maybe

There is no Sunday racing in St. George due to the predominant Mormon population.

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Here's what I think (hope) will happen. They will make the May 7th date the WC and allow registered Kona qualifiers to have 2 choices: Defer to Kona at a later date (October 2022 or 2023) or attend the WC at IMSTG and receive a registration fee refund to make it equitable with the already registered participants. I don't believe they will have a 2-day format since it is too hard to find volunteers for that format when St. George will already have 3 WCs in a 1.5 years period.

This solution while not optimal for everybody (since they would not be racing in Kona) would be fair to the qualifiers since they would not be paying a crazy price for something "not Kona". My guess is that about 40% of the already registered Kona qualifiers would race in St. George instead. St. George would have enough room to accommodate all those participants.

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Sure, people will move on and WTC will do well financially hosting 2 day events and lower cost (for them not for AGs:). IM WC will become 2nd league event the way 70.3 WC is with deep AG roll-downs and half of top PROs not showing up. Roth will become real WC. It's by far more important than any other IM race. 5 second registration window doesn't lie. Let's hope Big Island will find another partner for Kona and they will do it better (not difficult task if you compete with "customer centric" organisation WTC is)

The pro field from this year doesn't lie either. Roth is an amazing event but where you are getting that it will become the "real WC" is beyond me. Roth doesn't even want to be that.

Maybe. I think that part of the reason 70.3 worlds are what they are is because people do take mid-distance racing as seriously as full ironman. I would personally rather race WC in StG or Boulder or Wales or Frankfurt where the travel arrangements are easier and the course is not as boring. But the masses may think differently, so the marketing will have to adjust.

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Really?!? They have 100+ locations every year. Not enough??? WC is to attract NEW people???? Kona is not for new people. Disneyland is. And 70.3 WC is slowly getting there with deep rolldowns and 5000 participants.

The idea was if they make a “normal” Ironman the WC, random people are more likely to come check it out. And I agree that WC primary goal is not to attract new people, but it could be a nice plus.

Also, April is still kind of the "windy season" in much of the SW. The odds of having a really shit windy day are pretty high.
That'd make it pretty entertaining though. But the main non starter is really that there is already a full set in SG a month later.

Thanks for the heads up - not that fascinated by the WC location gossip, but the podcast episode was super entertaining. These guys are really funny in addition to being cocky, so they avoid coming across as assholes.

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WC moving out of Kona will create some vacuum; adding IM WC label may lift status of Klagen, St.G., Lanza, Fra or other a bit for that single year (not that they are not great races) but it will be big step down from Kona; maybe it's my European perspective but IM is much less of a brand than Kona;

Must be why they're doing the 70.3 worlds on Fri/Sat there in Oct. Suppose they could do that then.

Not in SoCal! We get winds in late September. Make Oceanside full GREAT again! That's be a proper WC course. Will never happen of course, but one can dream.

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You guys aren't the SW. You're the west coast. Damn Californian SW wannabes.
AZ, NM, UT, far west TX enjoy shitty Spring winds (usually with tons of dry thorns to make you flat left and right too)

Now we are talking a sensible Kona alternative. If Hawaii gave birth to Ironman San Diego area gave birth to the entire sport. So let's go there for a WC!!!

Well, I'll be damned. Gonna go scrape some stickers off my car. :)

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Agreed, more important for pros to just have the race than risk not having it at all. They're the ones who need it the most. People who are saying they want it on Kona due to history need to realize the history comes from the pro races, such as iron wars, thus it's important to support that aspect.

Doesn't seem too bad to not hold it there for one year.

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Yeah, it was slippery carpet. I saw a guy right in front of me thinking it was a Slip'n Slide and just skidded on his belly--it was hilarious actually. I wonder how much of that was pee and how much was water? Maybe I don't really want to know...

At least if they had it some place other than Kona we wouldn’t need to hear about the iron war one more time. For that I’d be grateful.

Utah is further North than 1/2 of California and more East than 100% of the state. Just sayin'

I am all in on this idea!

It is official! It will NOT be in St George in April!!

IT WILL BE IN ST GEORGE MAY 7!

From the WTC

We hope you enjoyed watching the action at the 2021 Intermountain IRONMAN 70.3 World Championship presented by Utah Sports Commission in St. George last weekend – a preview to your May 2022 IRONMAN event. St. George has proven itself time and again to be a world class venue, where Champions choose to rise to the challenge, in the Land of Endurance.

As a result, it is with great excitement we let you know your IRONMAN event on May 7, 2022 will now become the 2021 edition of the IRONMAN World Championship.

What this means for you as a registered athlete, is you now have the opportunity to race in the 2021 IRONMAN World Championship.

While the IRONMAN World Championship was previously rescheduled to February 2022 in Hawai`i we recognize the impacts of COVID-19 persist on the Island of Hawai`i, to the degree that is too great to continue to plan with comfort. We are therefore delighted to have St. George as a the host venue for the 2021 IRONMAN World Championship.

We hope this news brings you excitement and anticipation, but we understand for some racing in a World Championship event may not bring comfort. For this reason, all athletes may transfer their registration to another open IRONMAN event within the 2022 year, if you prefer.

Immediately following this email, you will receive an email from Active.comwith your athlete options. If you wish to remain in the race, you do not need to take any action. If you wish to change, please make a final selection from the provided options by midnight, Sunday, October 3rd (Mountain Daylight Time).

Please know the previously communicated 2022 IRONMAN World Championship qualification slots will remain available at this race, and the 2022 edition of the IRONMAN World Championship will be held over two days in October 2022, in Kailua-Kona, Hawai`i.

In 2022 we are excited to host this ‘first’ for the IRONMAN World Championship event, showcasing the very best triathletes from around the world on a new World Championship stage. We look forward to meeting your preparation and perseverance with a week-long experience of celebration and commemoration among our `ohana.

Aloha nui loa,