I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob.

Sep 11, 20 5:41

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Any of you have a brand that just....blah?

The Giant Revolt makes all the financial sense, but it's a Giant. I always thought of them as the next Schwinn. A brand that is one step outside of a Dicks Sporting Goods. I really only need a frame, so wanted to buy a lower spec'd bike, strip it, and put my high end components on it (GRX Di2).

The lowest spec'd Giant is $2000, decent frame color as well. The $150 of the $300 I spent on a fit at my LBS would also be put toward the price of the big. Selling my Diverge Expert bike I may actually have a net $0 cost on this bike. Thus I could buy a pair of wheels and still be the same price as the Warbird.

The lowest spec Salsa Warbird is $750 more and is some light blue color. Not sure what to think of that color.

Geometry wise, the Salsa fits me slightly better (within 1mm of the Giant in terms of reach and stack, so not that big of a deal).

Despite the Giant making sense, I just can't pull the trigger. I've just always had a meh feeling toward Giants. Do I just have a misinformed perception of Giants? I honestly never gave them a second glance so I know nothing of them.

On a side note, in my previous thread I mentioned my LBS telling me a Giant Revolt won't be available until Spring 2021, but they contacted me and said 8-weeks. This is a much better time frame since I have zero races left this year. The Warbird is in stock at another LBS now. My Giant/Spesh bike shop did my fit and he is 100% okay with me buying another bike and bringing it in to complete the fit process. I think it's because he has zero bikes in stock right now.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 6:04

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I have a Giant Trinity tri-bike, circa 2012. The thing is absolutely phenomenal. Nice aero properties. Nice components. Great (and I mean it seriously) great customer service. Plenty fast. I'm not sure what your hangup is, but Giant isn't the problem. So, I'd guess that your hypothesis is likely correct- you're just being a snob.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 6:06

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My Giant bikes have always been great, I've had no issues with them. I'd buy another one tomorrow without hesitation. I don't think your overly negative view on them is deserved.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 6:18

Post #4 of 75 Views: 4635

Hey come on,I've never seen a Schwinn that looked like this.. :-)

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 6:25

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They make great bikes from what I hear (they also do the manufacturing for some other big brands). I have a Giant but I can understand the meh reaction. When I consider buying bikes it not at the top of the list at all and since its my money if I don't like the brand I generally won't consider it. I only bought the current Giant because it was on a Black Friday sale and was half price, that was too good of a deal to pass up and its my winter bike. In general, I would prefer Cervelo, Specialized, Canyon etc. If you feel meh don't buy it. Nothing worse than looking at new bike and thinking 'meh'. :)

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 6:28

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And don't forget that their factories make bikes for pretty much everyone else.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 6:30

Post #7 of 75 Views: 4598

Bikes are like cars - some brands you naturally gravitate towards and some you don’t. Logic need not apply. Honestly, I have the same bias against Giant. I know they make great bikes and are a great value, but I just don’t have any desire to buy one. You should love your bike.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 6:41

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My favorite bike in the last 25 years was my Giant TCR2 road bike. I've had Cervelo, Trek, Orbea, also ridden Specialized. My next bike will probably be a big spend, just what I want bike. (not dream bike) My mind says go get a top Giant fit to me perfectly with all the bells and whistles. My wallet says, for that price, get something else. It's stupid and hopefully I'll be able to shed the snob for the best ride.

It's kind of like cars. If you're gonna buy a new car for 40 or 50k, would you buy a Toyota that you really like or a lower model BMW to show off to friends. The smart person would get the Toyo, but the BMW is tough not to consider.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 6:50

Post #9 of 75 Views: 4545

My Giant Revolt quickly became my favorite bike. I have an older Giant Anthem (FS mountain bike) which has been very solid. So I've never had a negative opinion of Giant.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 7:10

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I'm just "bleh" on most brands, I don't really care what the logo is, as long as the bike looks nice. To me, the Giant road bikes are pretty sweet. The tri bike, meh. The mountain bikes are very nice (we have 2).

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 7:26

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They're in the pro peloton. Same company that makes your Trek and contracts out to other stuff.

I see them like the VW-AG for cars. Making VW's (or toasters to some car folks) but also the brand over Bugatti, speed record holding supercar.

Buy the dang bike.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 7:42

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burnthesheep wrote:

They're in the pro peloton. Same company that makes your Trek and contracts out to other stuff.

I see them like the VW-AG for cars. Making VW's (or toasters to some car folks) but also the brand over Bugatti, speed record holding supercar.

Buy the dang bike.

Yeah, in the pro peloton they obviously have their own brand represented, but they also make (more than likely) other bikes with different name badges in the pro peloton.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 7:50

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I can't bring myself to buy running shoes from Nike.

Personally I think Giant makes great bikes along with Fuji and I'd buy either one if they were the right bike for me but I know a lot of people don't like them.

But then again, perhaps I'm a bike snob since most of my bikes have been Felt, Cannondale and Cervelo.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 7:52

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Why do you need to buy a bike before completing the fit process?

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:00

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Quote:

The lowest spec Salsa Warbird is $750 more and is some light blue color. Not sure what to think of that color.

That spec'd bike actually comes in three colors (blue, red or white). A friend has the light blue and it's pretty nice. I've got the dark blue GRX 600 model and love it (my second Warbird).

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [logella] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:06

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logella wrote:

Quote:

The lowest spec Salsa Warbird is $750 more and is some light blue color. Not sure what to think of that color.

That spec'd bike actually comes in three colors (blue, red or white). A friend has the light blue and it's pretty nice. I've got the dark blue GRX 600 model and love it (my second Warbird).

The other two colors are 2019 so almost impossible to find. I'd love the red color. I test rode the GRX 600 model yesterday, but I do not like the blue color. They had the 810 model (gloss black) there as well, but then things start to get pricey. That color wasn't so bad though.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:10

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jimatbeyond wrote:

Why do you need to buy a bike before completing the fit process?

I'm assuming that he means adjusting the saddle, swapping stems, and making minor adjustments based on real world riding? That's what "completing the fit process" means to me, anyway.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:18

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Economist wrote:

I really only need a frame, so wanted to buy a lower spec'd bike, strip it, and put my high end components on it (GRX Di2).

Why not look at frames only?

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:24

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jimatbeyond wrote:

Why do you need to buy a bike before completing the fit process?

What Jason said.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [rruff] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:25

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rruff wrote:

Economist wrote:

I really only need a frame, so wanted to buy a lower spec'd bike, strip it, and put my high end components on it (GRX Di2).

Why not look at frames only?

Salsa frame will not be available until December 2021. That's what two different bike shops have told me now. Apparently Salsa is notorious for long waits on frames.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:30

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I'm really interested in this thread, for a few reasons.

I tend to agree with your view of the Giant brand, but I personally think my own view is driven by the lack of marketing similar to the "cooler" brands. But I also know Giant is the largest contract manufacturer of bikes and frames.

Of all the people on here, I'd assume an Economist to be the most ruthlessly rational, in an economic sense. So here's a thought exercise - what if you found out the Salsa frame is made by Giant? Would that change your preference?

The way I typically weight these decisions is to decide how much a single comparison is "worth" to me. How much would I pay to have it now vs later? Or one color vs another? Or a different groupset? Is there so much negative utility to the Giant brand that you would ride it less or regret the purchase? C'mon Economist, quantify your preferences!

That said, I'm having a very hard time doing the same across a number of brands available right now. But the name painted on the side is not a huge factor for me.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [velocomp] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:44

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The TCR2 was also my favorite road bike. I should have never gotten rid of mine. I would get the Giant.

Jogging - I guess you just run for an extended period of time

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 8:50

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Economist wrote:

rruff wrote:

Economist wrote:

I really only need a frame, so wanted to buy a lower spec'd bike, strip it, and put my high end components on it (GRX Di2).

Why not look at frames only?

Salsa frame will not be available until December 2021. That's what two different bike shops have told me now. Apparently Salsa is notorious for long waits on frames.

Not a Salsa then... something else? What size tires?

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 9:00

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I had a Giant Defy road bike for many years that was the most comfortable road bike I have ever had. I then got a Cervelo tri bike that was awesome and I sold the Giant to buy some race wheels. After I got tired of the Cervelo I went to a 2019 top of the line Giant Trinity. This thing is the most bang for the buck out there and a great tri bike. It also looks awesome. It's fast, comfortable, affordable and looks awesome. Finally, I have an awesome dealer within 10 minutes of my house. BTW, my next road bike will be a new Defy. Giants are great bikes.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 9:08

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Last year, I was offered an insane deal on their top end TCR Advanced SL with DA Di2 everything. Seller was a super rich guy with whom I share a mechanic, and he just didn’t care what he got back for it. It was a half size too big for him and he rode it just a couple times.

I had a similar reaction to the brand—kinda like buying a Toyota or Honda.

But the thing is phenomenal. Just flawlessly engineered and perfect for me. I love the bike now, and view the brand as having an almost reverse cache to it—someone riding one of their top end bikes may be more about the quality than whatever the paint on the frame says.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Waingro] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 9:17

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Waingro wrote:

Last year, I was offered an insane deal on their top end TCR Advanced SL with DA Di2 everything. Seller was a super rich guy with whom I share a mechanic, and he just didn’t care what he got back for it. It was a half size too big for him and he rode it just a couple times.

I had a similar reaction to the brand—kinda like buying a Toyota or Honda.

But the thing is phenomenal. Just flawlessly engineered and perfect for me. I love the bike now, and view the brand as having an almost reverse cache to it—someone riding one of their top end bikes may be more about the quality than whatever the paint on the frame says.

In terms of brand cachet, Giant does as well as Hyaundai. In terms of actual quality, Giant is like Toyota/Lexus.

Except in terms of reality, most of the carbon and aluminum bikes, including those from mass market brands with more cachet (cough cough Specialized) is made by either Giant or Merida. A corresponding comparison would be something like BMW contracting out most of its production to Toyota.

None of this stuff is inherently rational when one digs into it

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 9:30

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I think this is very much a North American view of Giant as a brand. They've never quite "connected" with the consumer here the way Trek and Specialized have as large manufacturers, and certainly smaller brands like Cervelo enjoy more cache. They've done well with the Liv brand, though.

Giant is much more popular in other parts of the world. Great product, it just doesn't seem to produce excitement the way other brands do. I actually think it's still a hangover from the days they were sold at Performance bike shops. Perhaps that was too long ago to have an effect on most people now, but I do know it was a problem then and hasn't gone away.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Waingro] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 9:33

Post #28 of 75 Views: 2248

I am a huge Giant fan, my TCR and trinity advanced bikes are just amazing.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [jaretj] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 9:42

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Everybody hates on Fuji! I love love love mine <3

It all just comes down to what appeals to you.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [PattiPepper65] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 9:50

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And me. My Norcom 2.1 is quick and great for long rides. Plus my frugality usually prevails and I couldn’t overlook the value proposition vs comparably spec’d bikes.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 9:58

Post #31 of 75 Views: 2214

Right there with you. I would never get a Specialized. No logical reason, but has something to do with the way the name reads on the frame. Just nitpicking but when I am spending that much, it has to be what I want.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 10:44

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My '18 Trinity Advanced Pro is by far the fastest TT bike I've had. They do have a bit of different ride feel which might take some getting used to. It doesn't feel as stiff as my Felt, but my times on it have been considerably faster on the same local courses at comparable fitness levels. I will say that the rear brakes are PIA. Just changing the damn pads requires a trip to the shop (and even they hate fooling with it). Plus, just leave off the integrated bottle and you have a UCI legal tt bike.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Dolfan] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 10:45

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Oh yes, I could never justify the high price for some of these bikes! I'd hate myself every time I missed a workout or gained a few pounds! ;)

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [SDG] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 10:46

Post #34 of 75 Views: 2167

I’ve got 2 giants currently- very happy with both. I think they are as high performance as any trek/ specialized if not better. Their marketing/ cache is not as good. Like any brand- they do some things I like and some I dislike; but their value is pretty damn good.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 10:46

Post #35 of 75 Views: 2167

I always thought that Giant has a lot of bang for the buck. I have one of their cross bikes and love it. Other bikes I have are from Cervelo(road and tri), Litespeed (road) , Santa Cruz (mtb) and Canyon (road)

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 11:12

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I have a Giant SL0 Pro Advanced Super Tour Carbon whatever-they-call-it. Been riding it most everyday.

Long top tube on the thing, so have a too-short stem right now. Oversize steerer makes the stem a special order.

It's a stout, well built piece of furniture (frame). Almost non-descript.

Initially I have to say it lacked a personality and character in the way it rides. But it does everything well & you'd be nuts to say it's not a great bike.
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Sep 11, 20 11:15

Post #37 of 75 Views: 2119

I was totally unaware that Giant was not a bike snob bike... I own and ride a Giant Propel that I really like. The integrated aero brakes were a PITA until I figured out how to maintain them, I put eTap on it and went tubeless with HED Jet 6+ wheels... also slapped on a carbon 3T Aeronova bars. It's a great bike.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 11:17

Post #38 of 75 Views: 2117

They have a boring image but get their designs right and control their manufacturing themselves. One thing I like about them is they tend to overbuild their carbon frames compared to others and their specs are tight. I've bunnyhopped the snot out of and clattered into potholes many times on both my TCR and Propel with no problem. My team used to have a deal going with them and I've only seen one failure where head tube insert disbonded. Never seen any cracks over a couple dozen riders after lots of crit crashes and general abuse.

I've had a couple of Giant Aluminum frames as well which I hated. My CX frame was way too flexy on the rear and stiff on the front. My HT MTB frame (XTC) was way too stiff overall, great for climbing but horrible descending and over rough ground. I have the carbon version of the XTC now (same year) and it rides beautifully.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [PattiPepper65] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 11:19

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PattiPepper65 wrote:

Everybody hates on Fuji! I love love love mine <3

It all just comes down to what appeals to you.

That's a nice looking bike

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 11:39

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Giant? Yuck. The thought of swinging your leg over a bike made for the proletariat should make you nauseous. If you insist on buying a factory produced gravel bike, at least get yourself a Pinarello Grevil. Preferably, in a custom paint color (I recommend a bright Gold like Greg Van Avermaet's helmet). It also needs to match your Rapha team kit. ;)

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Sep 11, 20 12:57

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I've ridden a Giant Defy for the past two years as my primary bike. I just found an amazing deal on a Cannondale SystemSix and will be selling my Giant. I have enjoyed it and would buy another. And, I do also own an older Cervelo S2 & P2 and Specialized Diverge. All great bikes and each brand has their own group of loyalists.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 14:17

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Giant is a manufacturing company first and foremost. They have historically been awful with marketing, and by design in many ways. They have been very careful not to piss off other brands so they can continue to do all their manufacturing, so they can be a bit vanilla and boring. The fact is they make amazing bikes, but they lack the sexy marketing appeal of a specialized. Due to the fact they can have lower prices because they do their own manufacturing, it sends the message in the american market that they are cheap. The reality is you aren't paying the $600-1000 markup other brands have after Giant manufactures their bike. I've had many Giants over the years and they make amazing bikes. It is like they almost invite magazine reviewers to complain about them. It's always "this bike is amazing, I wanted to hate it, but it's amazing. But that paint...so boring, so I'll give it 3 out of 5 stars."

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 14:41

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I felt the exact same way with respect to a Revolt Advanced 0 last summer. I've always been a bit of a bike snob and have ridden boutique-y brands for years (current rides: Ibis, Guerrilla Gravity, Steelman). I wanted a sub $4k gravel bike and rode pretty much everything from Salsa, Santa Cruz, Ibis, etc etc etc. Kept coming back to the Giant. It was equal to the Gucci rides in every respect (except price, where the difference was several hundred bucks, more if you factor in the carbon rims) and better in ride quality (subjective but not nothing). I ignored my snobby heart and went with my rational mind and bought the Giant; couldn't be happier. It's been a troublefree and flawless bike over the past year. And oddly, not a single person has made a disparaging comment about riding a mere Giant (and I don't think anyone has even noticed much less given a single shit about the logo on the downtube). Giant makes world class bikes as good as any from any builder IMO. Excellent dealer support. There is no reason not to buy one, unless your heart can't take the insult.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 15:22

Post #44 of 75 Views: 1941

Economist wrote:

Any of you have a brand that just....blah?

Haha my brother owns a Giant shop and I could get cost bikes but I've yet to have ridden one. They are like arseholes here in Australia it seems everyone has one and I like to be different. I know I am being a snob but they do make good bikes especially for the price.

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Sep 11, 20 15:55

Post #45 of 75 Views: 1924

I have two Giants, they're awesome. Zero regrets. Would buy another in a heartbeat.

But if you don't mesh with a bike or brand you'll never be happy with it.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 16:09

Post #46 of 75 Views: 1911

I have a very normal body size. Average height, stack, reach, torso and limb length. If I wanted a mass produced bicycle brand, any shop would have numerous bikes on the floor that would fit me and I could ride it out the door and then thousands of miles.

I own 4 bicycles built custom for me by two different builders.

Not even sorry about it.

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Sep 11, 20 16:30

Post #47 of 75 Views: 1893

With the Bissell Team in West Michigan a lot of the fastest local guys are on Giants. The State RR champion rides Giant. I tend to associate bike brands with the local shop that sells them and I've never been a regular at a Giant shop. I just order a 2021 Scott, I've heard that bike is actually built by Giant.

For me, I'll probably never own a Trek or a Specialized. They both make great bikes but I hate they way they try to monopolize their distribution system to sell their non-bike products.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 17:39

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Economist wrote:

Any of you have a brand that just....blah?

The Giant Revolt makes all the financial sense, but it's a Giant. I always thought of them as the next Schwinn. A brand that is one step outside of a Dicks Sporting Goods. I really only need a frame, so wanted to buy a lower spec'd bike, strip it, and put my high end components on it (GRX Di2).

The lowest spec'd Giant is $2000, decent frame color as well. The $150 of the $300 I spent on a fit at my LBS would also be put toward the price of the big. Selling my Diverge Expert bike I may actually have a net $0 cost on this bike. Thus I could buy a pair of wheels and still be the same price as the Warbird.

The lowest spec Salsa Warbird is $750 more and is some light blue color. Not sure what to think of that color.

Geometry wise, the Salsa fits me slightly better (within 1mm of the Giant in terms of reach and stack, so not that big of a deal).

Despite the Giant making sense, I just can't pull the trigger. I've just always had a meh feeling toward Giants. Do I just have a misinformed perception of Giants? I honestly never gave them a second glance so I know nothing of them.

On a side note, in my previous thread I mentioned my LBS telling me a Giant Revolt won't be available until Spring 2021, but they contacted me and said 8-weeks. This is a much better time frame since I have zero races left this year. The Warbird is in stock at another LBS now. My Giant/Spesh bike shop did my fit and he is 100% okay with me buying another bike and bringing it in to complete the fit process. I think it's because he has zero bikes in stock right now.

I totally hear you on this. I have a couple of buddies who ride Giants, and swear by them. One has been on the podium at the world masters in mountain biking, and the other won his age group at Hawaii a few years back. My next purchase SHOULD be a Giant, because it makes sense financially...but there is still a stupid road block in my head.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [NAB777] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 17:51

Post #49 of 75 Views: 1837

I was all set on Giant and then my wife said I am better than Giant. She knows very little about bikes and she even has that image of Giants.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Thom] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 17:53

Post #50 of 75 Views: 1836

I am in West Michigan. Village bike is who did my fit.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 17:57

Post #51 of 75 Views: 1931

I can't speak for their bikes but I bought a pair of the SLR-0 Aero 55 Wheels purely because they ticked all the boxes I needed at the time (weight, depth, fit my narrow chainstays etc) when few others did. I was surprised at how much I like them.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 18:11

Post #52 of 75 Views: 1923

Rather than run the risk of offending someone without meaning too... here is what I think.

If a bike just doesn't get your juices flowing for some reason... any reason (be it brand name, paintjob, the haircut of the guy selling it to you, whatever...) do NOT buy it. Just DON'T. You need to feel passion, connection, love for your machine. Life is too short man. I don't really follow the logic of exactly what you want from your rather meandering post, but look my friend, just shell out the extra money, hassle, or whatever is holding you back.... Get the the one you love and never look back.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [wintershade] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 19:31

Post #53 of 75 Views: 1892

you got it

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 11, 20 21:01

Post #54 of 75 Views: 1858

They manufacture everything that Trek and Colnago sell...so they're fine.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 0:12

Post #55 of 75 Views: 1814

Bike manufacturing is abit tricky. It's not so simple as 'Factory A builds for trek and colnago'.

Manufacturing bikes is alot like manufacturing many other things. Brands go to the factory that has the capacity at the lowest cost. Say you are a manufacturing manager for trek and you need 10000 speed concepts for next year's model. So you ask your favored supplier- say factory A - if they can deliver 10000 pieces by X date.

Let's say factory A gets back and says: sorry, I am full up making system sixes for Cannondale. So maybe you go to factory B. Or you even split manufacturing between A and B.

Giant have been known to make for trek, colnago, Scott, and many others at some point in time, but they certainly aren't the only manufacturer.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 0:20

Post #56 of 75 Views: 1811

fit is a problem for anyone not average

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [stevie g] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 3:41

Post #57 of 75 Views: 1773

The giant is a kilo lighter and frame looks more techy, so the warbird is probably better for bikepacking

One review said the giant rotor setup is noisey

Its funny with brand association... Giant sponsored the rabobank so in netherlands it probably has a more high end capability image

It makes me think when mark allen rode a schwinn huffy bike in the ironman it didnt look quite right, even though it was just a sticker on a high end frame (kestral I think). Same with Larsen on his mongoose rebranded hotta. Or seeing the first lamborghini jeep.

It kind of sucks being a label victum, but if thats how we are wired then wouldnt splash out that amount of money unless heart is in on it.

(Luckily I enjoyed my secondhand giants)

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 5:26

Post #58 of 75 Views: 1743

echappist wrote:

Waingro wrote:

Last year, I was offered an insane deal on their top end TCR Advanced SL with DA Di2 everything. Seller was a super rich guy with whom I share a mechanic, and he just didn’t care what he got back for it. It was a half size too big for him and he rode it just a couple times.

I had a similar reaction to the brand—kinda like buying a Toyota or Honda.

But the thing is phenomenal. Just flawlessly engineered and perfect for me. I love the bike now, and view the brand as having an almost reverse cache to it—someone riding one of their top end bikes may be more about the quality than whatever the paint on the frame says.

In terms of brand cachet, Giant does as well as Hyaundai. In terms of actual quality, Giant is like Toyota/Lexus.

Except in terms of reality, most of the carbon and aluminum bikes, including those from mass market brands with more cachet (cough cough Specialized) is made by either Giant or Merida. A corresponding comparison would be something like BMW contracting out most of its production to Toyota.

None of this stuff is inherently rational when one digs into it

Maybe this says a lot about my thinking as we drive Hyundai Tuscon and bought a Giant Propel Advanced Pro 2 a few months later

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 7:42

Post #59 of 75 Views: 1701

I haven't liked Giant since they introduced the sloping top tube with only three sizes and offered a massive "aero" seatpost to go with it.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 7:46

Post #60 of 75 Views: 1698

Economist wrote:

I was all set on Giant and then my wife said I am better than Giant. She knows very little about bikes and she even has that image of Giants.

How much is Giant + custom paint job? Still cheaper than Salsa?

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 8:21

Post #61 of 75 Views: 1676

Just seeing this OP and haven't read all replies but...

In 2012 when shopping for my first road bike, I went into it (and had the budget for it) thinking Cervelo, Trek, Bianchi, etc. The bike that I certainly wasn't shopping for was a Giant TCR2 but after multiple rides on the other brands, I walked out with the Giant. I LOVE it! I rode it for the Death Ride and it is an absolute machine climbing mountains!

The following year I purchased my Cervelo P2. Not once have I had buyers remorse purchasing either bike and I still rotate between them for training rides. Love, love, love the Giant (and the P2).

Edit: And to answer the OP question. Yes. Apple.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [bgoldstein] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 8:35

Post #62 of 75 Views: 1663

bgoldstein wrote:

Economist wrote:

I was all set on Giant and then my wife said I am better than Giant. She knows very little about bikes and she even has that image of Giants.

How much is Giant + custom paint job? Still cheaper than Salsa?

I'm not sure on that. The difference in price between the two bikes is $612. The new wheelset I'm looking at is $1000. So the savings can cover a lot of that.....but it's a Giant. lol.

I wish it got some sort of bad reviews but both bikes get stellar reviews.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 8:38

Post #63 of 75 Views: 1662

Where do you see weights? Salsa publishes weights but I couldn't find Giant. Where did I miss it?

I'm really buying the frame since my current gravel bike has brand new GRX Di2. I need a slightly larger frame.

I did hear that about the rotor but reading further into it, sounds like its a setup issue not a component issue. Either way, those low end components will go on my Diverge and I'll sell that.

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 9:07

Post #64 of 75 Views: 1651

I would go Giant over Salsa if fit is not an issue. I see plenty of TCX's at gravel and cyclocross races. Also, quite a few revolts. They are solid. I don't know much about Salsa, other than I have an image of dude with a shaggy beard and cargo shorts trekking across the States with crap bolted all over the frame.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 9:23

Post #65 of 75 Views: 1638

I googled giant revolt specs and weight came up

You could put a black vinyl sticker band around the downtube over the labels like a 3t bike etc... No brand downtubes seems to be fashion lately since rapha made simplicity expensive

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 9:44

Post #66 of 75 Views: 1616

I have a 2017 TCR and I absolutely love it. Snappy, stiff, handles great, and good value. No complaints whatsoever. That said, I totally understand not being attracted to Giant as a brand - they come off as boring and bland. And I agree with others that you should buy the bike that excites you. But I kind of dig riding the "sleeper" bike on group rides with much more expensive bikes.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 9:50

Post #67 of 75 Views: 1611

Economist wrote:

I am in West Michigan. Village bike is who did my fit.

I haven't been in Village in quite a while, I didn't realize they were selling Giant. Rock n Road on the lakeshore is the big Giant dealer over here.

Somebody mentioned Hyundai, I think that's a perfect analogy. They make fine cars with very little flash. Nobody brags about their new Hyundai.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Thom] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 10:16

Post #68 of 75 Views: 1596

Giant frames are outstanding value for money. Far better than competing brands. I've only bought frames and then built them up.

Giant is the only carbon frame that I would confidently buy used. They control the process themselves and tend to use quite a bit more material. Makes a big difference.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [wintershade] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 16:00

Post #69 of 75 Views: 1518

Agree with this- the bike has to speak to you! For example- A bike can be perfect but if I don’t like the looks/color it’s a dealbreaker.

wintershade wrote:

Rather than run the risk of offending someone without meaning too... here is what I think.

If a bike just doesn't get your juices flowing for some reason... any reason (be it brand name, paintjob, the haircut of the guy selling it to you, whatever...) do NOT buy it. Just DON'T. You need to feel passion, connection, love for your machine. Life is too short man. I don't really follow the logic of exactly what you want from your rather meandering post, but look my friend, just shell out the extra money, hassle, or whatever is holding you back.... Get the the one you love and never look back.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 16:22

Post #70 of 75 Views: 1501

Giant and Cannondale. For some reason, just do nothing for me.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [COBRI] [ In reply to ]

Sep 12, 20 17:46

Post #71 of 75 Views: 1472

COBRI wrote:

Agree with this- the bike has to speak to you! For example- A bike can be perfect but if I don’t like the looks/color it’s a dealbreaker.

True. The fact is, high end bikes are much more similar than they are different. Buy the one you like and will ride the most. For me, brand perception matters much more than it should. I really don't want to be riding the same bike as everyone else or some bike that nobody's ever heard of. I just ordered a new Scott, partially because of brand perception and partially because I just love the way it looks.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Dgconner154] [ In reply to ]

Sep 13, 20 6:56

Post #72 of 75 Views: 1351

Dgconner154 wrote:

But I kind of dig riding the "sleeper" bike on group rides with much more expensive bikes.

YES!!

Regarding the Hyundai analogy...A better care comparison might be Volvo. Many of the same bells and whistles as an Audi but but lacks the same allure (I also drive a Volvo and my daughter drives a Hyundai).

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [bmpskier] [ In reply to ]

Sep 13, 20 8:08

Post #73 of 75 Views: 1328

bmpskier wrote:

Dgconner154 wrote:

But I kind of dig riding the "sleeper" bike on group rides with much more expensive bikes.

YES!!

Regarding the Hyundai analogy...A better care comparison might be Volvo. Many of the same bells and whistles as an Audi but but lacks the same allure (I also drive a Volvo and my daughter drives a Hyundai).

I would disagree on Volvo lacking allure. They are on the same level as BMW, Audi, and Mercedes. We bought a new BMW SUV last December and were torn between that and Volvo. The Volvo was actually more money so we bought the BMW.

Maybe Giant is like a Chevy Traverse vs luxury SUV

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Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [Economist] [ In reply to ]

Sep 13, 20 9:58

Post #74 of 75 Views: 1302

Hopefully it’s been mentioned here already but Giant serves as the 3rd party manufacturer for many, many bike brands.

Re: I can't get myself to pull trigger on a Giant brand bike. I Think I'm a bike snob. [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]

Sep 13, 20 15:16

Post #75 of 75 Views: 1240

Yes it’s been mentioned. I’m going to order the Salsa on Monday. As I said before, I’m really buying the frame. I’m just going to put the components on my Diverge and sell it (my bike has Di2 so that goes on Salsa).

One thing I noticed about the Giant components is that they are 10-speed. I think that will make it hard to sell my diverge. The Salsa is 11-speed Apex. I know Apex is not all that but at least it’s 11 speed.

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