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The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA
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Some of this was taken and updated from a post I made a couple of weeks ago.

There are 28 IM or 70.3 races in the USA remaining on the calendar in 2020.

14 of the 28 races are in CA, FL, TX, and AZ. The four states that have dominated the COVID news cycle the past few weeks. Folks, those races are not happening. I'm not sure what planet you live on if you think there is even an infinitesimal chance those races happen. There isn't going to be anything different from a COVID perspective in the next two to five months to allow for racing. It's just as likely to be worse than it will be better.

Then there are three races in very cautious states -- HI, NJ, and WA. Those also have zero chance of happening. HI is being ultra cautious, NJ is being very cautious and has quarantine policies in place for visitors from many states, and WA is being cautious given its early COVID problems and are now seeing numbers rise again as WA reopens.

North Carolina, Tennessee, and Georgia host five races left on the calendar. All three states have seen marked increases in cases, positivity rates, and while currently manageable, hospitalization rates. The two areas in Tennessee where the races are located (two in Chatt, one in Memphis) have been hit particularly hard lately. I cannot see anyway those races will be allowed to continue.

That leaves six races left in Utah, Idaho, Maryland (2), Wisconsin, and Iowa. Doesn’t look like the officials in WI are going to allow IM Moo to happen (already canceled the 70.3). So it's safe to say that's not happening. Host cities being St. George, UT, Coeur d’Alene, ID, Cambridge, MD, and Des Moines, IA. Places with small to very small populations. Are they going to risk holding mass gatherings of out of towners in their small area that might not have a COVID problem? So they can make a few bucks? Is it worth it? The county health officer in Muncie explicitly stated this was a concern in their decision to not allow Muncie 70.3 to happen:

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"Well, I'm just concerned about all the people that come from different states and you're really not going to be able to wear a mask or do social distancing," Wilkins told The Star Press. "And since other states are having an increase in numbers I'm just very concerned that we may see in an uptick if we held that here. Other states have canceled also."


Just not seeing how either of those five races can continue either.

I also cannot see how any races remaining for 2020 in Mexico, South America, or Central America happen. Most (all) of the countries have travel restrictions. Is that going to change in the coming months? Those races are reliant on foreign athletes. There are a few races left on the 2020 calendar in South America but almost all are in Brazil. Zero chance those races happen.

This is going to hit WTC really hard in the wallet but how hard? Will there be some racing in Europe, Asia, Aus/NZ that can soften the blow? I'm not sure how those races can continue either but I don't pay much attention to how things are going on that side of the world. Cash flow is going to be an issue. Given WTC's "no refund" policy they will likely defer just about every 2020 Western Hemisphere registration to 2021. That means very little 2021 registration money coming in. Refunds probably would make an even worse problem since at least right now they’re holding onto some cash. WTC has certainly eaten some expenses and fixed costs for canceled 2020 races but probably not a huge amount. Most races were or will be canceled well in advance of the race date. My guess is that WTC has seen very little registration revenue since Feb/March. It's likely they won't see much registration revenue again until maybe a year from now when some 2021 races finish (if they happen) and 2022 races open for registration. So a 15+ month gap in significant revenue/cash flow from registrations related to Western Hemisphere races.

That's going to leave a mark.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I share the same concern and forecast as you; 2020 is through and (in my most optimistic opinion) first half of 2021 is over too
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, if you are planning on any of these races happening, you are deluding yourself. Get out now of any travel related costs, and I can tell you, that is not an easy thing anymore. My guess the only reason they are still on the calendar is that there is some insurance policy that says the locals have to cancel the permits to collect, so WTC just has to wait it out. And I cant blame them on this, it is why you buy such insurance in the first place, so they have to keep mum until that happens.

But unfortunately it only happens days before the race like we have just seen, and that traps a lot of folks into the travel and they have to eat all the expenses related to having actually gone there. Time to punt folks and start thinking about one off things you can do to stay motivated. Check out Dan's thread on this exact subject, might get some inspiration and ideas...
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I agree that 2020 is done. I also feel that 2021 will be a no go. And I'm uncertain how WTC will weather the storm.

I've done 10 WTC races in the last 10 years (5 IM & 5 70.3). I'm a believer in the value you get from the IM experience, but I also agree they are not perfect.

If this finally does WTC in, it will be interesting to see how haters feel about racing options in a world without WTC.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
I agree that 2020 is done. I also feel that 2021 will be a no go. And I'm uncertain how WTC will weather the storm.

I've done 10 WTC in the last 10 years (5 IM & 5 70.3). I'm a believer in the value you get from the IM experience, but I also agree they are not perfect.

If this finally does WTC in, it will be interesting to see how haters feel about racing options in a world without WTC.


I share those concerns as well. I hope WTC’s new owners had contingency planning in mind for this since they did finalize the deal with COVID in full swing. If you and I can see this problem certainly they saw it as well and have a plan to weather this storm for 2020-2021. If not they deserve to go out of business.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think it's necessary to ask "what planet" people are living on if they have hope that races will happen. I agree that the chances are not good at all, but i don't think it's bad for people to have an optimistic viewpoint for how the world will be on X date. I'm registered for IMAZ. I haven't given up all hope. I'm going to train as if it's happening until the day I find out it isn't. It's 4+ months from now. So much can happen in 4 months. That doesn't make me stupid (I know you didn't say that, but it was sorta implied). It just means I have a different viewpoint and an optimistic hope that good things will happen soon.

My personal view is that events/racing, and by extension other types of activities, can't wait for COVID to "end" in order to happen again. Yes, there must be a NEW NORMAL recognizing COVID and having appropriate measures in place, but we cannot just wait for a vaccine and count on everything ending the next day. because it won't, for many reasons discussed at length and by smarter people, elsewhere.

I believe we need to find a way to conduct activities such as races (but also concerts, mainstream sports events, school, etc.) in ways that are as safe as possible and minimize risk. This can be boiled down to wearing masks and social distancing. We can race with masks on and socially distanced transitions. we can go to concerts wearing masks with two seats between all attendees. etc etc.

Point being, we have to find a way to figure out how to do things safetly DESPITE COVID, not stop doing them because of COVID. Let's embrace what we have to do, and not pretend it doesn't exist/will magically go away. Because this isn't just going to go away even when there's a vaccine(s) available. If WTC waits for COVID to be "over", there will never be another IM race, ever. There are still cases of bubonic plague in our world, in 2020. and many other scary diseases that people either thought don't exist anymore or we have vaccines for. but we have ways to treat and manage those now - it's not "gone". COVID will be the same.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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What is the point? Is it really a race in masks? It seems like going through the motions for the sake of “normality”. This is a pandemic, a novel virus, and there will be repercussions. It is great that the death rate is decreasing but millions are infected, millions are unemployed, the economy is on the brink, we cannot even figure out how to continue with essential institutions like schools. Racing is not a priority.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Two things:

1. According to the majority of scientists, scholars, immunologists, and experts in the field of pandemics -- this virus will impact us for the next few years. As long as the virus is a threat, there will be no Ironman racing as we have grown accustomed to knowing it. Perhaps there will be some some Professional-only field "bubble racing". Perhaps there will be some small local-only racing for Age Groupers. But by in large, Ironman Racing as we know it will not resume till late 2022 -- is my guess based on conjecture from the experts. * This prediction sucks, but it's a very possible and probable reality, unfortunately.

2. I love the sport of Triathlon, the lifestyle, history of the sport and and I'm also a huge fan of WTC the company. I think the best thing that could possibly have happened to save WTC was the acquisition from Wanda Sports Group by Advance Publications, Inc. Advance Pub was the 4th largest privately held company in New York and one of the top 200 largest privately held companies in the US. They rake in around 2.4 billion in revenue annually and they're an 'old world company' by US standards having been established 98 years ago. I firmly believe they purchased WTC for the long haul gain and access to WTC's premier client base -- customers who are educated/ top earners who buy lots of expensive items which is focus for advertisers. Advance may be forced to trim down the employee count considerably, but the Ironman brand and attached customer base is what they purchased. I think they knew from the get-go of acquisition this would be a long play of 5 to 10 years, so believe it or not this pandemic just delays their return on investment. All of this, I believe, bodes extremely well for WTC surviving the pandemic.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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You are speaking from a logically angle. There is a political element there that may bypass your logic. The governors of FL and TX seem to be very resistant to shutting things down and very trigger happy to bring things back up, regardless of what the medical folks say. If health was the number 1 priority, the entire country would have been shut down by now, like what most of the EU countries have done.


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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [BT_DreamChaser] [ In reply to ]
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BT_DreamChaser wrote:
Two things:

1. According to the majority of scientists, scholars, immunologists, and experts in the field of pandemics -- this virus will impact us for the next few years. As long as the virus is a threat, there will be no Ironman racing as we have grown accustomed to knowing it. Perhaps there will be some some Professional-only field "bubble racing". Perhaps there will be some small local-only racing for Age Groupers. But by in large, Ironman Racing as we know it will not resume till late 2022 -- is my guess based on conjecture from the experts. * This prediction sucks, but it's a very possible and probable reality, unfortunately.

2. I love the sport of Triathlon, the lifestyle, history of the sport and and I'm also a huge fan of WTC the company. I think the best thing that could possibly have happened to save WTC was the acquisition from Wanda Sports Group by Advance Publications, Inc. Advance Pub was the 4th largest privately held company in New York and one of the top 200 largest privately held companies in the US. They rake in around 2.4 billion in revenue annually and they're an 'old world company' by US standards having been established 98 years ago. I firmly believe they purchased WTC for the long haul gain and access to WTC's premier client base -- customers who are educated/ top earners who buy lots of expensive items which is focus for advertisers. Advance may be forced to trim down the employee count considerably, but the Ironman brand and attached customer base is what they purchased. I think they knew from the get-go of acquisition this would be a long play of 5 to 10 years, so believe it or not this pandemic just delays their return on investment. All of this, I believe, bodes extremely well for WTC surviving the pandemic.

Very much agree with #1, and very much hope you are correct with #2. I was kinda thinking the same thing about WTC, I assume they can pretty much operate on a skeleton crew for the time being, and when racing does start again some day, it is still a profitable business for them to step back into.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I would be surprised if racing doesn’t resume in 2021 regardless of the coronavirus situation. The willingness of large numbers to basically accept any health risk will nullify any coordinated shutdowns. The legislature will probably pass a coronavirus liability law protecting organizations, so it’s game on. There were many angry responses on the IM Muncie Facebook page from those wanting to race even in this current environment, not many will have the patience or fortitude to skip 2021.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [lyla] [ In reply to ]
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lyla wrote:
What is the point? Is it really a race in masks? It seems like going through the motions for the sake of “normality”. This is a pandemic, a novel virus, and there will be repercussions. It is great that the death rate is decreasing but millions are infected, millions are unemployed, the economy is on the brink, we cannot even figure out how to continue with essential institutions like schools. Racing is not a priority.

This is a fair point. While I agree with much of you said, this pandemic has (speaking from USA resident perspective) really challenged the idea of what "essential" actually means. I am not going to argue that a race itself is essential for the participants. But, from a certain perspective, races big and small generate streams of revenue which are essential to many people (tourism $ to hosting towns, the swim/bike/running equipment industries, the professional racers of course, people who work for race organizers/sponsors/etc.). Everyone who makes their living through these streams of revenue I think would argue that races are somewhat essential.

I would ask very simply - why not consider racing with masks? Because it looks weird and isn't what we're used to? Sounds like it would fit right in with how the whole planet is feeling right now.

I want to be clear I'm not advocating for races to take place because I think COVID isn't serious or I think races are more important than public health. My position is that I think there might be a way to have these events in a safe way instead of not having them at all. (or at least, they could be had in a way which is as safe as things are being conducted as of now).
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Two things:

(1) I would love to see the insurance policy Ironman has, if any, regarding race cancellations, etc. Are they completely out, here? Or are they able to recoup at least some to maintain operations to weather the storm.

(2) What if Ironman folds? We will all still want to do triathlon, but what would our sport do, and how different would it look, to be dominated by local, grassroots events? That could be a world I would very much enjoy.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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cloy wrote:
Two things:

(1) I would love to see the insurance policy Ironman has, if any, regarding race cancellations, etc. Are they completely out, here? Or are they able to recoup at least some to maintain operations to weather the storm.

(2) What if Ironman folds? We will all still want to do triathlon, but what would our sport do, and how different would it look, to be dominated by local, grassroots events? That could be a world I would very much enjoy.

If Ironman folds, the trademark will have value, will be auctioned / sold off and come back again as part of some other company.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I am not going to be all doom and gloom like a lot of folks in this thread. The news on the vaccine front are pretty encouraging. It is very likely that we will get some sort of a vaccine by early 2021. It is also very likely that the US will have substantial herd immunity (whether you like it or not) by the end of the year since the virus is likely to burn through at this point. A vaccine that is even 60% effective and reasonably safe will likely do the virus in.

I am optimistic that we will race in 2021, perhaps towards the latter half of the year

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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I honestly think IMAZ will happen. I am not registered, but did it last year and have a lot of friends in AZ. They are all saying that anything that is called off is not good politically for the person or group that called it off.
The race is 4 months away, and as bad as it sounds I don't think that the counts will continue up for 4 more months. If we are at a 7 in AZ right now, and go up to a 9 in September, then back to a 7 in NOV, I think they will have the race because "things are trending down"
From what I understand from other race promoters, it costs the event a lot more money to cancel, then to be cancelled by the city state or federal government.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [Eroc43] [ In reply to ]
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I honestly think IMAZ will happen. I am not registered, but did it last year and have a lot of friends in AZ. They are all saying that anything that is called off is not good politically for the person or group that called it off.
The race is 4 months away, and as bad as it sounds I don't think that the counts will continue up for 4 more months. If we are at a 7 in AZ right now, and go up to a 9 in September, then back to a 7 in NOV, I think they will have the race because "things are trending down"
From what I understand from other race promoters, it costs the event a lot more money to cancel, then to be cancelled by the city state or federal government.

All your comments are way off base.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Real talk, until China gets rid of wet markets (and probably other nations), the threat of Coronaviruses will remain in the future.

There will be racing in 2021, people will not be willing to do nothing. Sports are already back in Australia and New Zealand (with thousands and thousands of fans). Club, youth footy, school is all back on in New Zealand. Club footy is back in Australia as well.

How many people registered for Taupo WC are native New Zealanders? There's plenty of time to open up registration for that race and run it as a non-world championship.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I am not saying they are not. But how so?
Obviously the 10-15 people I know in AZ do not speak for the whole state
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [Jamison] [ In reply to ]
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If Ironman folds, the trademark will have value, will be auctioned / sold off and come back again as part of some other company.

Exactly. All this doom and gloom about Ironman never happening again because WTC is over-levered, etc. needs to stop. The true worst case scenario is either the company goes bankrupt and the various trademarks (Ironman, Rock n Roll, etc.) will be sold as Jamison suggest. More likely, the company will restructure and re-emerges once the COVID dust settles (and it will eventually settle). In both cases, some investors will lose their shirts, but that's not our concern.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with your assessment.

I do think you'd do well to adjust your tone however. You seem to be gloating in the fact that none of us will get to race this year (nor is 2021 looking great at the moment, sadly). I get it, you've had some epic battles on this forum defending this point of view since March and I suppose perhaps feel vindicated that you were right. Why celebrate the fact that many people's personal goals have been stripped away? Why celebrate the fact that race directors and race directors who make a living in multi-sport have lost their livelihoods?

I think what we could do with more of are threads about new ways to challenge ourselves, how to best to train through this period of darkness, etc. We don't need to be reminded that 2020 sucks on so many levels. We need to be reminded that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and we need suggestions for how to get there.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [vonschnapps] [ In reply to ]
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I would be surprised if racing doesn’t resume in 2021 regardless of the coronavirus situation. The willingness of large numbers to basically accept any health risk will nullify any coordinated shutdowns. The legislature will probably pass a coronavirus liability law protecting organizations, so it’s game on. There were many angry responses on the IM Muncie Facebook page from those wanting to race even in this current environment, not many will have the patience or fortitude to skip 2021.


There were/are a bunch of assholes on that Muncie FB page that think about nothing but themselves....................

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [wintershade] [ In reply to ]
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Has the deal with the new investor closed? I found it very interesting that this deal was announced post Corona onset. Smart deal makers would include some kind of price mechanism, like a net worth test, to adjust the deal value before closing. Otherwise, they could have a material adverse effect clause and argue the business deteriorated significantly and they could try to abandon the deal.

For something that was valued in the hundreds of millions to go bankrupt would be a calamity of mismanagement. Someone is going to lose some money this year and next, no doubt, but I would expect this company to be valuable enough to come out the other side.

I would love to read some reporting around where WTC is with everything. Also would love it if someone like Slowman could interview Messick and get an honest download. WTC should use this forum to communicate with their customers more. I have been happy with their flexibility around things, so it wouldn’t have to be a complaint-fest.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
vonschnapps wrote:
I would be surprised if racing doesn’t resume in 2021 regardless of the coronavirus situation. The willingness of large numbers to basically accept any health risk will nullify any coordinated shutdowns. The legislature will probably pass a coronavirus liability law protecting organizations, so it’s game on. There were many angry responses on the IM Muncie Facebook page from those wanting to race even in this current environment, not many will have the patience or fortitude to skip 2021.



There were/are a bunch of assholes on that Muncie FB page that think about nothing but themselves....................

Dude. I left because I couldn't stand seeing the opinions... There was one individual who, in so many words, said that if people die, people die--let's race!

SO self-centered.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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cloy wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
vonschnapps wrote:
I would be surprised if racing doesn’t resume in 2021 regardless of the coronavirus situation. The willingness of large numbers to basically accept any health risk will nullify any coordinated shutdowns. The legislature will probably pass a coronavirus liability law protecting organizations, so it’s game on. There were many angry responses on the IM Muncie Facebook page from those wanting to race even in this current environment, not many will have the patience or fortitude to skip 2021.



There were/are a bunch of assholes on that Muncie FB page that think about nothing but themselves....................


Dude. I left because I couldn't stand seeing the opinions... There was one individual who, in so many words, said that if people die, people die--let's race!

SO self-centered.

In addition to the total self centered feel of that FB page, I left because I was tired of hearing about how those people weren't going to get their chance to be called an Ironman. It was a 70.3........don't they know any better?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [Eroc43] [ In reply to ]
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I honestly think IMAZ will happen. I am not registered, but did it last year and have a lot of friends in AZ. They are all saying that anything that is called off is not good politically for the person or group that called it off.
The race is 4 months away, and as bad as it sounds I don't think that the counts will continue up for 4 more months. If we are at a 7 in AZ right now, and go up to a 9 in September, then back to a 7 in NOV, I think they will have the race because "things are trending down"
From what I understand from other race promoters, it costs the event a lot more money to cancel, then to be cancelled by the city state or federal government.

These statements are as delusional as the governmental leadership that got our state of AZ to the place it is right now...

I would love to see a race like IMAZ go off in Nov...not for the racing but as an indicator of where our country is in the management of this pandemic. Reality is what others have stated earlier...Some racing/normalcy in late late 2021 is best case scenario...
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [wintershade] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with your assessment.

I do think you'd do well to adjust your tone however. You seem to be gloating in the fact that none of us will get to race this year (nor is 2021 looking great at the moment, sadly). I get it, you've had some epic battles on this forum defending this point of view since March and I suppose perhaps feel vindicated that you were right. Why celebrate the fact that many people's personal goals have been stripped away? Why celebrate the fact that race directors and race directors who make a living in multi-sport have lost their livelihoods?

You’re off base with your comments. I don’t want to be right, I don’t want to be vindicated, and I’m not celebrating anything.

This isn’t an “I told you so” moment. I wish I would’ve been totally wrong about everything. How else was this ever going to play out though? No vaccine or effective treatment = no racing. There’s a lot of people smarter than me that let emotions or pure selfishness cloud their thought process and judgment.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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If it were that easy, why are colds and the flu still around? By your logic we should have herd immunity and those should be long gone
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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My position is that I think there might be a way to have these events in a safe way instead of not having them at all. (or at least, they could be had in a way which is as safe as things are being conducted as of now).


I think most of us agree that there is a way to hold tris in a safe way during the pandemic, but can an RD make a profit on a tri held in a safe way? Field sizes will need to be reduced, hygiene supply expenses increased, volunteers harder to find, course design will likely require increased costs for permits, police, etc. Plus, I've read numerous comments on ST from athletes who wrote that they will wait until they can race "normally" again. Sure, short distance, small, local tris, 5Ks, trail races put on by clubs or non-profits can happen in a safe way during the pandemic but can/will Ironman and other RDs putting on tris, large running races, large cycling events for a living survive the next year or two?
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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If it were that easy, why are colds and the flu still around? By your logic we should have herd immunity and those should be long gone

you're comparing apples to oranges, but ok.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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imswimmer328 wrote:
If it were that easy, why are colds and the flu still around? By your logic we should have herd immunity and those should be long gone

If COVID mutates at the rate of the seasonal flu/cold, then we are certainly screwed until an effective treatment is found. But fortunately, it has not been proven to have a similar propensity to mutate. See https://www.healthline.com/...d-19#More-infectious

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [wintershade] [ In reply to ]
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wintershade wrote:
I think what we could do with more of are threads about new ways to challenge ourselves, how to best to train through this period of darkness, etc. We don't need to be reminded that 2020 sucks on so many levels. We need to be reminded that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and we need suggestions for how to get there.

Completely agreed.

But strangely, in many ways I feel that this whole situation is a blessing. Over the last 8-10 years I have allowed WTC and the big marathon races to trap me in this yearly cycle of planning, scheduling, working around things, etc. I am feeling quite liberated actually with nothing on the schedule at the moment. It is not all that bad. I still train 9-10 hours a week, but to me it feels more valuable - there is nothing superficially pressuring me. Anything I will accomplish in this period is of my own free will, as opposed to some sketchy marketing pushing me.

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [Mark Lemmon] [ In reply to ]
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Mark Lemmon wrote:
PBT_2009 wrote:
My position is that I think there might be a way to have these events in a safe way instead of not having them at all. (or at least, they could be had in a way which is as safe as things are being conducted as of now).


I think most of us agree that there is a way to hold tris in a safe way during the pandemic, but can an RD make a profit on a tri held in a safe way? Field sizes will need to be reduced, hygiene supply expenses increased, volunteers harder to find, course design will likely require increased costs for permits, police, etc. Plus, I've read numerous comments on ST from athletes who wrote that they will wait until they can race "normally" again. Sure, short distance, small, local tris, 5Ks, trail races put on by clubs or non-profits can happen in a safe way during the pandemic but can/will Ironman and other RDs putting on tris, large running races, large cycling events for a living survive the next year or two?

I don't think it really matters.
Nor does it matter if:
-The locals really want it
-Tourism needs it
- Thats how Texas rolls...

Because regardless of all that, no municipality is going to give a permit for it.
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You’re off base with your comments. I don’t want to be right, I don’t want to be vindicated, and I’m not celebrating anything.

Maybe. Just doesn't read that way to me.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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I agree. The USA is a failed country at this stage and there seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel yet....
Sam
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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No Ironman. No problem.
ITU. Super League. Challenge. Those are just the big names.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Well I am signed up for IMMD, live in Maryland and am a practicing physician. Yes training like it's going to happen, but I really really doubt it. Also signed up for Eagleman which was cancelled so I guess I'm doing that event next year. Most of us are planners, frankly just tell us so we can move on and plan for next year. Waiting until the last minute is actually cruel for many athletes who financially may suffer.
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Because regardless of all that, no municipality is going to give a permit for it.

I think Lubbock 70.3 may have happened if the race was scheduled a week or two earlier. There have been tris held in the U.S. in recent weeks that have been mentioned on ST.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [Flagster] [ In reply to ]
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To be clear, I am not saying I agree with any of the things I said. But there are people that do, and in some states, there are a lot of them. My whole family lives in Texas, they are still having motocross races (my family is not attending), The Driveway series in Austin is still going on and the promoter more or less said exactly my point
“I do wish we were shut down — I’d prefer that we weren’t risking it,” Willis said. “But since we are open, and we do have to pay these bills, I see this as a personal responsibility.” https://www.velonews.com/...es-return-to-racing/
The post was more about will a race happen somewhere, not should a race happen. And I think if there is a race that could occur, it would be IMAZ
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wintershade wrote:
I agree with your assessment.

I do think you'd do well to adjust your tone however. You seem to be gloating in the fact that none of us will get to race this year (nor is 2021 looking great at the moment, sadly). I get it, you've had some epic battles on this forum defending this point of view since March and I suppose perhaps feel vindicated that you were right. Why celebrate the fact that many people's personal goals have been stripped away? Why celebrate the fact that race directors and race directors who make a living in multi-sport have lost their livelihoods?


You’re off base with your comments. I don’t want to be right, I don’t want to be vindicated, and I’m not celebrating anything.

This isn’t an “I told you so” moment. I wish I would’ve been totally wrong about everything. How else was this ever going to play out though? No vaccine or effective treatment = no racing. There’s a lot of people smarter than me that let emotions or pure selfishness cloud their thought process and judgment.

Well, it does come across like you are gloating (I already said this to you 2 months ago, that it comes across that you feel happy that people are losing their livelihoods, while others are losing their athletic outlet). If this is not your intent, it does not come across that way. A better angle would be, "while I am waiting for racing to hopefully happen in the future, I will do XYZ that motivates me in the mean time"

On my side, I have already done 450 hrs of training this year. Last week was a 22 hrs week the week before 20 hrs, just for the sake of training. I do several solo triathlons per week, some easy, some I race myself. I don't NEED WTC or any race organizer. I'll hopefully do my own 10,000m swim event (25x400IM on Dec 30th) assuming I can get a 3.5hrs block of pool time. I don't need racing, although I was looking forward to it after a 4 year hiatus and just getting back into triathlon last year. I did the Dubai70.3 when the pandemic was in full swing in Wuhan and on the Diamond Princess. I was looking forward to more, but I can wait now and I don't need to do events with travel. A local sprint and olympic tri is just as satisfying.

But for the people who have their livelihoods tied in events, equipment, coaching and other supply chain aspects of the sport, I would like there to be racing all around the world as we get to the path of a vaccine, while we live with the virus around us and manage risk. For those people, how you and a few others have come across hurts them. You're effectively saying, "NO CHANCE FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE" and many are here on a triathlon forum hoping that many of us will sign up for their business when risk is low again.

Just think about your angle.

Now if this was a monster truck forum and we were gloating that all those skinny guys in Lycra can't do their stufff anymore but we still get to do our monster truck racing from our distanced cabs, then that might make sense. But we're on the Slowtwitch triathlon forum, the entire point of which is doing triathlon, not the "Shut Triathlon Down Forum".

...and I get you and I will disagree on this topic, and the funniest part is you're the one addicted to WTC racing and seemingly don't care about local racing. You just want to do WTC racing while at the same layering every possible doom and gloom angle on the thing that you want to do!!!
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And I think if there is a race that could occur, it would be IMAZ

IMAZ is a race least likely to occur for several reasons:

- COVID hot spot
- Large metro area not dependent on tourism
- One of WTC’s larger races in numbers of racers, spectators, volunteers, and staff
- Vast majority of out of towners
- Held in a large university area that’s going to present its own set of COVID problems
- Possible permit issues with the reservation, in addition to local permitting

A race like Lubbock or Muncie was far more likely to happen than a race like Arizona.

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Well, it does come across like you are gloating (I already said this to you 2 months ago, that it comes across that you feel happy that people are losing their livelihoods, while others are losing their athletic outlet). If this is not your intent, it does not come across that way.

You were wrong two months ago too. Not my intent and I believe I called you out on it then.

Re-read what I posted without your projections. Could you point me to the part where I did a victory dance and rejoiced in people losing their livelihoods? I was merely speaking matter of factly. If it doesn’t align with your outlook then so be it.

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So how is it working now with Ironman if you got moved from your original race to a later race and then the later race postpones/cancels as well? I don’t know about anyone else, but if there’s zero racing this year and possibly not next year some people are getting pimped of a fair amount of money. Will we ever get refunds or just keep playing this shell game???
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devashish_paul wrote:

Well, it does come across like you are gloating (I already said this to you 2 months ago, that it comes across that you feel happy that people are losing their livelihoods, while others are losing their athletic outlet). ....

Uh, yeah, thats complete BS. I've read most of his posts, and while he's held firm in his stance that racing ain't gonna happen (and he's been right), I never got even the slightest hint that he was happy about any of it, including people losing jobs etc. I have no idea how you could possibly interpret any of his posts like that. Maybe you need to go for a ride.
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devashish_paul wrote:


Well, it does come across like you are gloating (I already said this to you 2 months ago, that it comes across that you feel happy that people are losing their livelihoods, while others are losing their athletic outlet). ....


Uh, yeah, thats complete BS. I've read most of his posts, and while he's held firm in his stance that racing ain't gonna happen (and he's been right), I never got even the slightest hint that he was happy about any of it, including people losing jobs etc. I have no idea how you could possibly interpret any of his posts like that. Maybe you need to go for a ride.

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I agree with you SBRcanuck. I think this is a manifestation of the "if you are not 100% with me then you must be against me" attitude that has become so common in western society over the last year or two. To have an opinion that "seemingly" goes against the grain,no matter how correct is often met with harsh and mostly emotion led resistance. ( I am about to go through the same thing on another thread) :-)
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These statements are as delusional as the governmental leadership that got our state of AZ to the place it is right now...

I would love to see a race like IMAZ go off in Nov...not for the racing but as an indicator of where our country is in the management of this pandemic. Reality is what others have stated earlier...Some racing/normalcy in late late 2021 is best case scenario...

There are states with races already happening.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think GMAN is happy that folks in the tri community are suffering. In every post from him I see in his signature the tris that he hopes he still may have a chance to do this year (even though he states in this thread that neither of those events are going to happen).
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Flagster wrote:

These statements are as delusional as the governmental leadership that got our state of AZ to the place it is right now...

I would love to see a race like IMAZ go off in Nov...not for the racing but as an indicator of where our country is in the management of this pandemic. Reality is what others have stated earlier...Some racing/normalcy in late late 2021 is best case scenario...


There are states with races already happening.

Are they much smaller races than WTC events though?
When I say no racing on a slowtwitch thread, I guess I'm thinking WTC. I def think its possible for some areas to get approval for much smaller events. Our local tri's typically have less than 100 people, I could see events like that happening where I am (Eastern Canada) in the near future.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not the only person who is reading that your motivation for this thread is a victory dance for triathlon shutdown. As you said, its really too bad for that there are no triathlons in sight yet in some parts of the world and no major triathlons in other parts of the world. Where I live, there are some larger tris planned for the province next door (Quebec) in Sept/Oct. They are likely to not happen, but for now, they are on, and youth sport is back in to varying degrees in that province. It looks like Hawaii 70.3 is planning to be on in November, but their cases are creeping up too. A little hope goes a long way though versus everyone throwing in the towel.

A few people on this thread already pointed to the reality of timing and rollout of vaccine. We're not going to be able to dole out 7.7 billion doses to humanity in a big bang, so the entire hope on a vaccine is mired in impractical challenges of production rollout anyway (if it even works) to all the world. In the mean time, its not just triathlon, but many aspects of life all around the world will start to roll in some capacity at some point weighing risks. This will include all levels of sport (pools in my city opened this week for example, gyms are shut, most youth sport is shut). In the mean time what on earth turns on or not is the question. Can some form of triathlon be part of the turn on. You're saying no, others are saying, "let's see and keep training". I'm pro "staying shut more aggressively now, so we have a chance to get back to life of all kinds later". I would like the business world to turn on properly, then sports and entertainment will all happen. Right now the biz world is toast for a lot of industries.
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Until IMFL cancels, that race has a lot of hope.

I'm with Dev on this, the fact that there are people cheering on cancellations is really dumb. Every cancellation is bad for the sport. I see posts elsewhere cheering on an IM bankruptcy, and even here. If IM goes Bankrupt, Challenge won't be far behind and this sport's model will crumble.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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i don't disagree with your assessment. however...

triathlon has some built-in advantages. it's a lot smaller than a marathon. instead of 25,000 you're talking about 2,500 and that's for a big race. we have the capacity to lead on how to produce a safe event when viewed thru the lens of epidemiology. we have a mature, controllable population that would exhibit uniform behavioral discipline. we could and should be the first events back, because we could provide a model for subsequent events.

whether it's ironman or any other triathlon, i think our sport is in an ideal position to be the reopening model.

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Building back up to the 25,000 person marathon at some point in time, how about let's just get the 50 person tri or running race in TT format, then then the 100 person version, then 200, then 500, then 1000. All of these should be in the safe realm of possiblity depending on venue and local spread of disease and also fit under the limitations of various sizes of event gatherings for smaller business events.

When you get to 2500, now we're talking about conventions also happening and when you're talking 25,000, you're talking about pro sports in stadiums happening. For our sport, we should just wait in line until 2500 person conventions and 25,000 person pro sports can happen. In the mean time, sub 1000 should be doable in the not too distant future in many locations. Sub 200 is a nice local event.
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I'm with Dev on this, the fact that there are people cheering on cancellations is really dumb. Every cancellation is bad for the sport.
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There's more than one perspective on a race cancellation... People are cheering, not because the event is cancelled, but because it was an intelligent decision to cancel. We know full well that running an event at this time is a worse idea than cancelling it. If the RD's don't make the intelligent decision for the common man, then they will show up and race. This is not good for the overall health of the tri community. Therefore, cancellations are the better of the evils.

I see posts elsewhere cheering on an IM bankruptcy, and even here. If IM goes Bankrupt, Challenge won't be far behind and this sport's model will crumble
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Now this, I'm with you. Any demise of a race legacy or organization is bad for sport. People's hatred for the WTC and hoping for their bankruptcy will not improve the bigger picture of triathlon.






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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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we have a mature, controllable population that would exhibit uniform behavioral discipline.

You are an optimist!
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Meanwhile the death rate continues falling and falling and falling.....
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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I'm with Dev on this, the fact that there are people cheering on cancellations is really dumb. Every cancellation is bad for the sport.
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There's more than one perspective on a race cancellation... People are cheering, not because the event is cancelled, but because it was an intelligent decision to cancel. We know full well that running an event at this time is a worse idea than cancelling it. If the RD's don't make the intelligent decision for the common man, then they will show up and race. This is not good for the overall health of the tri community. Therefore, cancellations are the better of the evils.

I see posts elsewhere cheering on an IM bankruptcy, and even here. If IM goes Bankrupt, Challenge won't be far behind and this sport's model will crumble
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Now this, I'm with you. Any demise of a race legacy or organization is bad for sport. People's hatred for the WTC and hoping for their bankruptcy will not improve the bigger picture of triathlon.

Depending on where you are you are correct it may be a dumb decision to cancel. If Ironman France happens in Nice in October after the tour de France happens in August and French open happen in sept and cases don't go up then maybe it's a good decision to keep ironman france on deck. If cases and hospitalizations explode then it would be prudent to not have the race. Cancelling is very situational. There is no need to cheer on cancellation that happen a long way out because things may be a lot different in a place later even though today it may look bad. As I said a little hope on all fronts whether in government business academia or sport goes a long way to keep all of us on track and in many ways behaving to ensure we can get out of this. If there is no hope on all fronts then lots of things, not just in sport fall apart.

Talking with colleagues in Germany the psychological impact of the Bundesliga starting up or with English friends about premier league starting up was quite impactful. Yes, some places opened things up the wrong way (I won't say too early because if you open up like Korea you get a different result). But for the rest of the world pretty locked down, a path to doing normal things offers a carrot to stay on track and support all the limitations in life.

So any time a biz shuts down, while we may say it's good that the bars or gyms or hair salons get shut down, its not something to cheer about. It may be the right decision for public safety but public safety happens at the expense of all kinds of people's livelihoods. We don't need to cheer livelihoods being hurt for public safety. We should accept that they are impacted where needed and support it for everyone's good. Not cheer someone not being able to operate for my old dad's safety. The cost of my dad's and other vulenerable people's safety is aspects of societal shutdown. It's just a temporary cost but not one worthy of cheering.
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Agreed. I had a conversation with the RD of the Austin Marathon and the TX Tri series a couple weeks ago whilst riding the F1 track here in Austin. He spoke of the state rules on capacity for a sports event, and under those rules, he would have to have well over 40k people on his smallest race site to hit the max. He also said his biggest concern was people not signing up in enough volume to actually run the races. He felt very confident that he could run a safe race at his sites.

I firmly believe once the virus numbers come down to a more manageable level (not sure what that is, and it will surely be different for different cities and states and countries), events will happen with big safety controls. I hope races return but only if they can be held safely and seeing how the events here have been managed, I believe they can be relatively safe.



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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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Until IMFL cancels, that race has a lot of hope.

I'm with Dev on this, the fact that there are people cheering on cancellations is really dumb. Every cancellation is bad for the sport. I see posts elsewhere cheering on an IM bankruptcy, and even here. If IM goes Bankrupt, Challenge won't be far behind and this sport's model will crumble.


I really dislike gloating about the cancelled races. The OP is certainly coming across as such, although he did make 100% correct predictions back in March. No denying it.

That said, I am thinking bigger picture. Before COVID, how many people had left the sport after being priced out by WTC? How many able competitors ditched triathlon because of our obsession with the $400 70.3s and $750 140.6 and the nutty Kona pursuits? Maybe this is the perfect storm that will restore some pricing parity in this sport. Maybe this is just what we need to come out stronger than ever by giving new brands a chance? I would like to see lifestyle brands that the average person can connect with - as opposed to triathlon being essentially just WTC shortsightedly chasing growth at all costs at the expense of the future of the sport?

And frankly, with the way WTC has behaved towards its old customers (I have done 20+ wtc events, and I don't deserve the courtesy of a partial refund anytime I bloody want so?) - it frankly is the antithesis of what I see as a plain old good customer service. If they go, so be it.

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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What is the point? Is it really a race in masks? It seems like going through the motions for the sake of “normality”. This is a pandemic, a novel virus, and there will be repercussions. It is great that the death rate is decreasing but millions are infected, millions are unemployed, the economy is on the brink, we cannot even figure out how to continue with essential institutions like schools. Racing is not a priority.

There are a lot of things that arent “a priority” but theyre still green-lighted.
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Dev -- Ever since I first found SLOWTWITCH 12 years ago, I have become a big fan of yours. But on COVID, maybe for the first time, I feel you have been off base on some of your posts. When I read the original post, I see only facts and opinions. Some of the way the opinions are expressed may be harsh (almost as if saying "if you don't agree with me you are an idiot") and I don't have an issue if people want to criticize that -- But, I think it is counterproductive to a good open discussion to question posters' intent or motive for expressing facts and opinions. If there is no expression of glee, I do not think we should infer glee. If there is no expression in a post of hope or best wishes for the future, I do not think we should infer the poster has none. I think it works best for folks to reply with posts with their own opinions, expressions of hope and/or ways to cope, etc. on the topic but not on the poster.

I may be saying this because I am prone to say what I am thinking without candy coating it with stuff to put the listener/reader at ease about my good intent, etc. I guess I am asking that you give people who do that the benefit of the doubt.
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i don't disagree with your assessment. however...

triathlon has some built-in advantages. it's a lot smaller than a marathon. instead of 25,000 you're talking about 2,500 and that's for a big race. we have the capacity to lead on how to produce a safe event when viewed thru the lens of epidemiology. we have a mature, controllable population that would exhibit uniform behavioral discipline. we could and should be the first events back, because we could provide a model for subsequent events.

whether it's ironman or any other triathlon, i think our sport is in an ideal position to be the reopening model.

I agree with you on this Dan. It could happen, and it should happen. That stated, the back to racing guidance from both WTC and USAT was pure garbage. Lots of words on a page with little to no real world applicability for RDs and athletes. That was a giant swing and a miss from both organizations, IMO.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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That stated, the back to racing guidance from both WTC and USAT was pure garbage. Lots of words on a page with little to no real world applicability for RDs and athletes. That was a giant swing and a miss from both organizations, IMO.

What return to racing guidance should have Ironman and USAT provided? I questioned some things but certainly wouldn't describe their guidelines as garbage. Their guidance was similar to the guidance issued by ITU.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The former FDA chairman, Scott Gottlieb, stated a few days ago, that the spread in the US is so out of control, that he estimated the true positive rate is 12 times the current daily rate. So 50,000 cases is really 600,000 daily cases. Based off the spread, he felt that Covid will be spreading far, far less by the end of the year 2020, due to the exponential growth of the majority of US citizens being exposed and/or vaccine(s) coming out end of this year, early next. If his analysis is correct, US should hopefully be back closer to normal in 2021 for most things.
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The former FDA chairman, Scott Gottlieb, stated a few days ago, that the spread in the US is so out of control, that he estimated the true positive rate is 12 times the current daily rate. So 50,000 cases is really 600,000 daily cases. Based off the spread, he felt that Covid will be spreading far, far less by the end of the year 2020, due to the exponential growth of the majority of US citizens being exposed and/or vaccine(s) coming out end of this year, early next. If his analysis is correct, US should hopefully be back closer to normal in 2021 for most things.

What does do the most recent antibody study out of Spain mean for a vaccine?

Coronavirus herd immunity may be 'unachievable' after study suggests antibodies disappear after weeks in some people


Population-wide immunity to the novel coronavirus could be "unachievable" with antibodies to the virus disappearing after just a few weeks in some patients, according to a major new Spanish study.


The Spanish government teamed up with some of the country's leading epidemiologists to discover what percentage of the population had developed antibodies that could provide immunity from the coronavirus.


The study found that just 5% of those tested across the country maintained antibodies to the virus, in findings published by the medical journal The Lancet.


I know that sometimes a vaccine can produce a stronger immune response than the virus itself but on the surface, this seems to be concerning.

Janyne
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so 600k daily cases = about 50 days to almost everyone having been infected?

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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alex_korr wrote:
so 600k daily cases = about 50 days to almost everyone having been infected?


US population is 330 million. 600k * 50 days = 30,000,000 (30 million) Dr. Gottleib was projecting the spread to increase and said it would take roughly 6 months to reach much of the unshelter in place individuals.

Time will tell, but clearly the horse is out of the barn right now.

Edited days above.
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I see posts elsewhere cheering on an IM bankruptcy, and even here. If IM goes Bankrupt, Challenge won't be far behind and this sport's model will crumble
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Now this, I'm with you. Any demise of a race legacy or organization is bad for sport. People's hatred for the WTC and hoping for their bankruptcy will not improve the bigger picture of triathlon.

If Ironman goes bankrupt equity holders get wiped out. The brand and Kona mystic still exist. Yes, schedules will be disrupted and races will will change. IM can renegotiate unfavorable debt and come out of this with a better customer product. Bankruptcy isn’t bad for the sport it’s a disruption. What’s bad for the sport is long term demand declines and aging demographics. COVID is compressing years of change into a small window. Maybe this is the forcing function that causes wholesale model changes to improve sustainability.
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The former FDA chairman, Scott Gottlieb, stated a few days ago, that the spread in the US is so out of control, that he estimated the true positive rate is 12 times the current daily rate. So 50,000 cases is really 600,000 daily cases. Based off the spread, he felt that Covid will be spreading far, far less by the end of the year 2020, due to the exponential growth of the majority of US citizens being exposed and/or vaccine(s) coming out end of this year, early next. If his analysis is correct, US should hopefully be back closer to normal in 2021 for most things.

Herd Immunity: 70% of population exposed: 330 million in US * 0.7= 231 million cases needed. Status quo 3 million confirmed *10 = 30 million so far = 200 million cases still needed => 333 days left of mayhem....if the pandemic increases in speed even further I don't want to know how life in the US will look like for the rest of 2020, because then so many people will be sick at once that public services might just collapse entirely.

Let's just hope for the vaccine. But again producing billions and billions of doses is not gonna be done in a week.
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What is the point? Is it really a race in masks? It seems like going through the motions for the sake of “normality”. This is a pandemic, a novel virus, and there will be repercussions. It is great that the death rate is decreasing but millions are infected, millions are unemployed, the economy is on the brink, we cannot even figure out how to continue with essential institutions like schools. Racing is not a priority.

Much of what you pointed out is our own doing. Millions are unemployed because we killed our own economy completely unnecessarily. Schools should be in session.
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Heard anything about Mountain Man in August in Flagstaff, I can't believe this will happen, but it hasn't been cancelled yet...
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lyla wrote:
What is the point? Is it really a race in masks? It seems like going through the motions for the sake of “normality”. This is a pandemic, a novel virus, and there will be repercussions. It is great that the death rate is decreasing but millions are infected, millions are unemployed, the economy is on the brink, we cannot even figure out how to continue with essential institutions like schools. Racing is not a priority.

Much of what you pointed out is our own doing. Millions are unemployed because we killed our own economy completely unnecessarily. Schools should be in session.

It’s hard to bring back anything when people don’t take this seriously. If we could get everyone to be compliant and wear masks, you are exactly right. But there are too many selfish, dumb motherfuckers in this Country.
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triguy86 wrote:
lyla wrote:
What is the point? Is it really a race in masks? It seems like going through the motions for the sake of “normality”. This is a pandemic, a novel virus, and there will be repercussions. It is great that the death rate is decreasing but millions are infected, millions are unemployed, the economy is on the brink, we cannot even figure out how to continue with essential institutions like schools. Racing is not a priority.

Much of what you pointed out is our own doing. Millions are unemployed because we killed our own economy completely unnecessarily. Schools should be in session.

It’s hard to bring back anything when people don’t take this seriously. If we could get everyone to be compliant and wear masks, you are exactly right. But there are too many selfish, dumb motherfuckers in this Country.

That’s true. But wearing masks isn’t the difference in cases spiking or not. Let’s be serious.
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That’s true. But wearing masks isn’t the difference in cases spiking or not. Let’s be serious. //

Of course it is, so stop being flippant. The virus is serious, and as every single country that has beat has shown us, is that masks are the primary weapon that everyone can use. Of course there are other mitigations, but everyone wearing a mask is #1 in combating this..
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That’s true. But wearing masks isn’t the difference in cases spiking or not. Let’s be serious. //

Of course it is, so stop being flippant. The virus is serious, and as every single country that has beat has shown us, is that masks are the primary weapon that everyone can use. Of course there are other mitigations, but everyone wearing a mask is #1 in combating this..

So you’re telling me if everyone would just wear a mask our case number wouldn’t be going up significantly? Come on. I wear a mask everywhere but I think we are grossly overestimating it’s utility.
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I share the same concern and forecast as you; 2020 is through and (in my most optimistic opinion) first half of 2021 is over too

this - 2021 is over until June / July
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runbrassica wrote:
I share the same concern and forecast as you; 2020 is through and (in my most optimistic opinion) first half of 2021 is over too


this - 2021 is over until June / July

That's possible. But how do you know that? Honestly asking that question.

Is it your "gut feel"... ie. "don't think things will be better/no vaccine/etc"... or do you know something concrete?
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I recall a study done years ago (maybe kahneman and tversky) where they showed people initially show a high adversity to risk but once that is overcome the willingness to take on more risk increases rapidly. My gut tells me that even if we find ourselves in 2021 with the exact same coronavirus situation as we have today, we will have public events. People will just accept the possibility of getting the virus. Hopefully our healthcare system will remain functional.
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OK reading the comments around no racing through 2021 just does not seem or feel right to me. It may be the case but seems like a stretch to say that now as I would rather have hope for racing next year than not.

While comparing Nascar to triathlon is probably not a good one I did get a note that the Texas race is going to allow fans "socially distanced" and wearing a mask I believe 7/19. Again tough comparison but if Nascar can do it with 10's of thousands of fans not sure why Tri's could/would not.
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That’s true. But wearing masks isn’t the difference in cases spiking or not. Let’s be serious. //

Of course it is, so stop being flippant. The virus is serious, and as every single country that has beat has shown us, is that masks are the primary weapon that everyone can use. Of course there are other mitigations, but everyone wearing a mask is #1 in combating this..

in new zealand, one of the few countries to have (touch wood) beaten covid, face masks are and have always been very rare in public.
that's not necessarily evidence either way of whether they are a good and effective step, just that your statement is incorrect.

to be honest, we largely just got lucky as our government response has not really been that well coordinated. the main thing they got right was to go into lockdown hard and fast. the population largely got behind that and with luck we found ourselves coming out the other side
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Even if the fans are allowed, which is far from certain, social distancing will drastically reduce the numbers.
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monty wrote:
That’s true. But wearing masks isn’t the difference in cases spiking or not. Let’s be serious. //

Of course it is, so stop being flippant. The virus is serious, and as every single country that has beat has shown us, is that masks are the primary weapon that everyone can use. Of course there are other mitigations, but everyone wearing a mask is #1 in combating this..


in new zealand, one of the few countries to have (touch wood) beaten covid, face masks are and have always been very rare in public.
that's not necessarily evidence either way of whether they are a good and effective step, just that your statement is incorrect.

to be honest, we largely just got lucky as our government response has not really been that well coordinated. the main thing they got right was to go into lockdown hard and fast. the population largely got behind that and with luck we found ourselves coming out the other side

You guys in New Zealand held IM NZ roughly 5 days before most of Canada went into lockdown. Like NZ, masks were not all over the place in Canada, but unlike NZ who is well isolated from the rest of the world, Canada is highly connected to Europe, US Eastern Seaboard, China and India with thousands of flights per day to these locations at the same time that NZ was holding an IM.

Island nations (minus UK) generally have managed to do much better on this virus once they go into lockdown. Here in Canada we've somewhat islanded ourselves now from USA and numbers having been coming down, but keeping people from moving in and out while it lagged (repatriation flights of Canadians from all over probably made things worse), after a while we're getting somewhere. But then again NY City destroyed the curve and sent it way down (not just flatten it) once they got their act together and NYC is one of the most interconnected on the planet.

Anyway, I think NZ's relative isolation has helped (more than pure luck).
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OK reading the comments around no racing through 2021 just does not seem or feel right to me. It may be the case but seems like a stretch to say that now as I would rather have hope for racing next year than not.

While comparing Nascar to triathlon is probably not a good one I did get a note that the Texas race is going to allow fans "socially distanced" and wearing a mask I believe 7/19. Again tough comparison but if Nascar can do it with 10's of thousands of fans not sure why Tri's could/would not.

NASCAR just decided a few weeks ago that the confederate flag is a bad idea. If you want to associate them with being the leader of progressive ideals, you are certainly entitled to that notion.
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OK reading the comments around no racing through 2021 just does not seem or feel right to me. It may be the case but seems like a stretch to say that now as I would rather have hope for racing next year than not.

While comparing Nascar to triathlon is probably not a good one I did get a note that the Texas race is going to allow fans "socially distanced" and wearing a mask I believe 7/19. Again tough comparison but if Nascar can do it with 10's of thousands of fans not sure why Tri's could/would not.


The way Texas is going I doubt there will be any fans in the stands in 10 days.

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70 paper supporting masks: https://threader.app/.../1279144399897866248

Please show me your evidence
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Anyway, I think NZ's relative isolation has helped (more than pure luck).

yeah, i guess i use luck to cover a variety of circumstances, most particularly our physical isolation and our low population density

IMNZ is a prime example of how we also got lucky - that sort of large international event being held as the virus took hold over the world could so easily have been the end of us - NZ is in no way prepared to handle a serious outbreak.
at about the same time we also held the World Hereford Conference which did lead to a significant covid cluster but fortunately cows don't attract large crowds and the touring pre- and post-conference seems to have been mostly within the conference group on buses so didn't spread it too much. IM competitors tend towards DIY tours after the race so could have spread it far and wide.

canada seems to have done really well given the connectedness with the US in particular
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hubcaps wrote:
70 paper supporting masks: https://threader.app/.../1279144399897866248

Please show me your evidence

If you can read a “study” for free on the internet there’s a reason. Where I live pretty much everyone wears a mask. 850 new cases yesterday. So...
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pk1 wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
Anyway, I think NZ's relative isolation has helped (more than pure luck).


yeah, i guess i use luck to cover a variety of circumstances, most particularly our physical isolation and our low population density

IMNZ is a prime example of how we also got lucky - that sort of large international event being held as the virus took hold over the world could so easily have been the end of us - NZ is in no way prepared to handle a serious outbreak.
at about the same time we also held the World Hereford Conference which did lead to a significant covid cluster but fortunately cows don't attract large crowds and the touring pre- and post-conference seems to have been mostly within the conference group on buses so didn't spread it too much. IM competitors tend towards DIY tours after the race so could have spread it far and wide.

canada seems to have done really well given the connectedness with the US in particular

haha....now Canada is equally isolated to New Zealand as we have created our virtual island and even between some provinces there are virtual islands still. In any case in teh province next door where I am allowed to go, youth sports are starting to roll and the organizers of the Esprit Triathlons in Montreal (sprint, olympic, half, duathlons, corporate), is tentatively ON on Sept 12-13 AND they are putting their Irondistance back on deck. They ran this full IM for 20+ years before it was killed by IM Tremblant, but now that Tremblant is off, they are seeing if there is interest in this time for people wanting to race an IM again. I will likely go if numbers keep tapering down, but people are also acting like idiots now that summer is here.

But the moment we open up border to USA, everything will go to US numbers since so many have business and personal reasons to be in the US and from eastern Canada, many have properties in Florida.
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Well where I live pretty much everyone wears a mask and we had zero new cases yesterday. And 2 the day before. But no one should go back and forth with you because time and times again you have shown that you don’t seem to care about science and only want to do things your way.

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Well where I live pretty much everyone wears a mask and we had zero new cases yesterday. And 2 the day before. But no one should go back and forth with you because time and times again you have shown that you don’t seem to care about science and only want to do things your way.

Me and my family wear masks 100% of the time. And I’m a doctor so yea I know science. Thanks!
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I think that's a very dangerous generalisation. I work at an international organisation that focuses on monetary policy and financial stability matters in the financial sector. We have a large staff of PhD economists who conduct high quality, frequently peer reviewed research and its all published on the internet for free. The International Monetary Fund, a former employer of mine, is the same.




triguy86 wrote:
hubcaps wrote:
70 paper supporting masks: https://threader.app/.../1279144399897866248

Please show me your evidence


If you can read a “study” for free on the internet there’s a reason. Where I live pretty much everyone wears a mask. 850 new cases yesterday. So...
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everyone wearing a mask is #1 in combating this..

This is not true. However, it is a piece of the equation. Let me be clear wearing a mask IS important. It is one mitigation factor that can help decrease spread. However, there are a lot of other things that go into this. Like maintaining physical distance, testing availability, contact tracing, avoiding more risky activities. I think that we could have a portion of the economy more open than we do if we kept the most risky activities closed. I still don't believe that we cannot participate in an outdoor triathlon in some areas of the country but can still go to bars. That is absolutely against the science.

As a society we are failing. There are a lot of reasons and I definitely don't have the answers. However, I am disheartened to see so much blatant disregard for our community.

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If you can read a “study” for free on the internet there’s a reason.

Here’s a very recent, free article validating the use of masks from the journal Nature Medicine. So....

https://www.nature.com/...es/s41591-020-0843-2
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This is not true. However, it is a piece of the equation. //

My point was this was the #1 thing we could do personally. And I said there is a bunch of other stuff, all the things you mentioned. But if there was one thing that we each could do on our own, it is just wearing a mask. It enhances all those other mitigation things too. It is a piece of the equation as you said, just to me, the biggest piece we can each do every single day..
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???

JAMA, NEJM and other have COVID articles free.
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IM Lake Placid 70.3 cancelled for 2021 and sounds like it won't be back
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I think what we could do with more of are threads about new ways to challenge ourselves, how to best to train through this period of darkness, etc. We don't need to be reminded that 2020 sucks on so many levels. We need to be reminded that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and we need suggestions for how to get there.

2020 is shaping up to be the best year of my life, aerobically and athletically.

I think you need to reframe your thinking. Forget about lights and tunnels. You're already there... embrace it and accept it and enjoy this precious life we are living.

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Dan Funk wrote:
triczyk wrote:
runbrassica wrote:
I share the same concern and forecast as you; 2020 is through and (in my most optimistic opinion) first half of 2021 is over too


this - 2021 is over until June / July


That's possible. But how do you know that? Honestly asking that question.

Is it your "gut feel"... ie. "don't think things will be better/no vaccine/etc"... or do you know something concrete?

Some people just get it.

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triguy86 wrote:
hubcaps wrote:
70 paper supporting masks: https://threader.app/.../1279144399897866248

Please show me your evidence


If you can read a “study” for free on the internet there’s a reason. Where I live pretty much everyone wears a mask. 850 new cases yesterday. So...

think about it...

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Another race in Clermont, FL went off this morning without a hitch.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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What is your point? Yes a triathlon was run, the hitch happens a few weeks from now when some one gets sick from the tri that was run.

Or people look at the tri and say, wow it is safe lets all do what ever we want to do
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They held a race two weeks ago as well.

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What is your point? Yes a triathlon was run, the hitch happens a few weeks from now when some one gets sick from the tri that was run.

Or people look at the tri and say, wow it is safe lets all do what ever we want to do

That was #2 in a series of 4. I did the 1st on 27 June. As far as I am aware no one got sick. It doesn't mean that we can do whatever we want. But it does suggest that a small (200 - 300) triathlon can be held safely. No more, no less.
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Sure the tri was a hit, think this is the issue with the whole thing. We are so networked now that we won't no for sure who is getting Corona where.

As spread is so rampant in Florida no one can contact trace so it's probably a good idea to lockdown not open up disney and do triathlons.

As long as the people doing the tri didn't get sick its all okay.
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Sprint Distance race in Alabama today. I saw some videos that were posted. There were some athletes wearing masks in the transition area, and there were a lot of signs posted about what you should be doing, other then that, it looked about the same as any other race. Crowded transition, people on top of each other. About 400 entries, and the run was on a 1.5 mile out and back narrow greenway. The thing that surprised me the most, is that they were allowed to even have have the race. We are spiking here big time.
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Mr. The GMAN,
Recently I emailed IMAZ team for any updates on the race, and the race is still on, they are offering a Deferral to IMAZ 2021 or other open race, or partial refund.
I also inquired about the race protection purchased and there are options for those that unable to race with proof. https://bookingprotect.com/...navirus-Guidance.pdf
As an AZ resident, it wouldn't surprise me (politics aside) if the race is held or canceled last minute, the options given doesn't seem much of a loss for WTC without total refunds to athletes.

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ericMPro wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
triczyk wrote:
runbrassica wrote:
I share the same concern and forecast as you; 2020 is through and (in my most optimistic opinion) first half of 2021 is over too


this - 2021 is over until June / July


That's possible. But how do you know that? Honestly asking that question.

Is it your "gut feel"... ie. "don't think things will be better/no vaccine/etc"... or do you know something concrete?


Some people just get it.

I'll leave it to the experts, but thanks for chlming in.
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HuffNPuff wrote:
stevie g wrote:
What is your point? Yes a triathlon was run, the hitch happens a few weeks from now when some one gets sick from the tri that was run.

Or people look at the tri and say, wow it is safe lets all do what ever we want to do

That was #2 in a series of 4. I did the 1st on 27 June. As far as I am aware no one got sick. It doesn't mean that we can do whatever we want. But it does suggest that a small (200 - 300) triathlon can be held safely. No more, no less.

Actually it suggests not much. It’s like saying 30 people drove without a seatbelt, and no one was killed, so suggests seatbelts aren’t really needed.

Survivorship bias in action.
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Lol. No one need a seatbelt until you get in an accident. (Pink) 😂😂
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Dan Funk wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
triczyk wrote:
runbrassica wrote:
I share the same concern and forecast as you; 2020 is through and (in my most optimistic opinion) first half of 2021 is over too


this - 2021 is over until June / July


That's possible. But how do you know that? Honestly asking that question.

Is it your "gut feel"... ie. "don't think things will be better/no vaccine/etc"... or do you know something concrete?


Some people just get it.

I'll leave it to the experts, but thanks for chlming in.

And yet here we are...

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ericMPro wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
triczyk wrote:
runbrassica wrote:
I share the same concern and forecast as you; 2020 is through and (in my most optimistic opinion) first half of 2021 is over too


this - 2021 is over until June / July


That's possible. But how do you know that? Honestly asking that question.

Is it your "gut feel"... ie. "don't think things will be better/no vaccine/etc"... or do you know something concrete?


Some people just get it.


I'll leave it to the experts, but thanks for chlming in.


And yet here we are...


The blanket statement in question applied to mid 2021. Not now.

Like I said, will listen to the professionals. Not people who at some point in last decade applied pro to their forum name.

But best of luck to you.

Cheers.
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Dan Funk wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
triczyk wrote:
runbrassica wrote:
I share the same concern and forecast as you; 2020 is through and (in my most optimistic opinion) first half of 2021 is over too


this - 2021 is over until June / July


That's possible. But how do you know that? Honestly asking that question.

Is it your "gut feel"... ie. "don't think things will be better/no vaccine/etc"... or do you know something concrete?


Some people just get it.


I'll leave it to the experts, but thanks for chiming in.


And yet here we are...



The blanket statement in question applied to mid 2021. Not now.

Like I said, will listen to the professionals. Not people who at some point in last decade applied pro to their forum name.

But best of luck to you.

Cheers.

I'm not sure what you're disagree with me on this, as I haven't posited an opinion, other than "some people just get it". I'm not commenting on 2021, or that guy's "blanket statement", just how he might say what he said. Some things are more intuitive to some people than others. I can't do math or play the piano... I don't take it personally.

Look, I'm not the guy that is arguing with you, I'm just the guy who is telling you how it is. The "how it is" is not *my* choice or position, and I don't really even want to be the one to have to tell you this... but here we are. This is not controversial, it's just life.

Finally, I don't know which "professionals" you're referring to, but they don't necessarily decide either. Leaders, stakeholders, and "the led" decide... sometimes collectively, sometimes individually. It's complex and complicated.

Better to plan for the worst and hope for the best IMO... if we race then you'll be ready and if we don't you'll also be ready.

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Apologies if this has been answered but I skimmed through and didn't see it...

Will there be any open registration for 2021 events (Wisconsin and Chattanooga in particular) or is the assumption that they've already filled to capacity from deferrals??
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [pacco] [ In reply to ]
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My guess - races will mostly fill with deferrals (probably like 75% or more) and registration will open for the remaining spots after the race was supposed to take place.

I think it’s going to be tough getting into 2021 races if you don’t have a deferral.

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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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How ridiculous of a thought is it to register for Ironman Texas in Waco this October with no intention of travelling there but instead, hoping for that to be cancelled/postponed and using the deferral to get into another 2021 race?!?! I'm not made of $$ and the gamble would be tough swallow.
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Re: The state of Ironman racing 2020-2021 in the USA [pacco] [ In reply to ]
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Pacco- I just did the same thing as I had deferred into Madison and just switched to Texas in the hope that it was cancelled so I can get into a different 2021 race option than was previously provided. But, if you are signing up for the first time and shelling out money now, I wouldn't do it- too much at stake with races may not even happening next year.
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