Not to go off topic immediately but I recently saw the cost of campaigning a Formula E team vs Formula 1. It’s staggeringly cheaper... like 90% cheaper. IMO that’s going to be a great feeder circuit for talent in the future (if it doesn’t become dominant on its own).

I am not a racing expert by any stretch, but is the electric race circuit any faster than the gasoline powered one? Because of the much lower CG of the electric powered cars? Assuming that all else is essentially equal of course ...

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I’m quite certain it’s slower because of the lower power/weight and much lower absolute power. That said, the courses seem to have a lot more turns.

I am glad that both of you have asked about Formula-E as I am a big fan of it as well.

Formula-E cars are heavier and slower...its honestly not even close.

FORMULA 1 v FORMULA E
WEIGHT (INC DRIVER): 702kg, 900kg
MAX POWER: 710kW, 250kW
0-100KM/H: 2.1 secs, 2.8 secs
MAX SPEED: 378km/h, 280km/h

Battery technologies have improved massively since the start of the sport when the drivers would make a pit stop to change cars (yes you read that correctly, they would change cars mid race to a second car with enough battery life to make it through). They now have a one car solution that last for a 45 min race +1 lap. By contrast F1 races last between 80 and 120 minutes.

The racing between F1 and FE are very different. When looking at the circuits and you can see it. Formula 1 is more about seeing how fast you can go without exceeding track limits. It has more speed and far more money is being spent (though F1 is imposing a spending cap starting in at $145 million in 2021 with a subsequent limit of $135 million by 2023. Things will be way more competitive.). Formula-E is street racing -- which means there is a lot of drifting going down on the track. Both are exciting for their own reasons.

F1 does have an initiative to be net-zero carbon emissions by 2030. You might think this is a lofty goal, however the sport is already moved to a hybrid V-6 system that can runs its entire race without refueling during pit stops. They also implement brake-by-wire as a regenerative charging system to power the car. Nevertheless this has many speculating that there could be some sort of merger between the sports. But that merger has become less likely since the FIA has granted Formula-E its own World Championship status.

As a feeder for f1 there has been a lot of crossover between the sports. The most recent is Alex Albon terminating his FE contract to race F1.

Here is a fairly comprehensive list of the crossover:

https://formula-e.fandom.com/wiki/Formula_One

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Recent comer to F1 (thanks to Netflix), but super stoked to just be able to watch something “normal” again.

During a lull last season I watched an E race. just felt like something was missing for me

I think the production value on F1 is better and that's probably largely due to it just being around a lot longer. The little things add up: camera crews knowing the track, announcers familiar with the drivers, production being familiar with the track, drivers, etc. I think Formula E can get there.

I was pleasantly surprised this morning to see Racing Point and Renault in the top five. We'll see where they are on Sunday, though.

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Do you know if its on ESPN+? Probably an add on package maybe.

Qualifying is on ESPN right now.

This article may help you.

https://www.cordcutters.com/...ne-if-youve-cut-cord

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It was a wet one in Styria today, and it made for some Dank Memes to be sure.

Here are the results:

POS DRIVER TEAM RACE TIME LAPS
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:19.273 34 -- This was the drive of the day a full +1.216 seconds faster than any other driver in the rain. No surprise from the 6xWC
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull +37 Laps 34
3 Carlos Sainz Jr McLaren +38 Laps 33 -- Carlos did well in the McLaren and they are showing they are at the front of the Mid-field
4 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes +37 Laps 34
5 Esteban Ocon Renault +38 Laps 33 -- Ocon just returned to F1 after a year as the Mercedes reserve driver. Great result for Renault
6 Lando Norris McLaren +37 Laps 34
7 Alexander Albon Red Bull +40 Laps 31
8 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri +38 Laps 33 -- The Honda's are showing that they are ahead of the Ferrari engines in the first two so far
9 Daniel Ricciardo Renault +39 Laps 32
10 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari +38 Laps 33
11 Charles Leclerc Ferrari +47 Laps 24
12 George Russell Williams +49 Laps 22 -- This is the first time in 2 years that Williams made it out of Q1. Russell showing he is the real deal and the Sim Championship was no joke.
13 Lance Stroll Racing Point +48 Laps 23
14 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri +47 Laps 24
15 Kevin Magnussen Haas +49 Laps 22
16 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo +59 Laps 12
17 Sergio Perez Racing Point +59 Laps 12
18 Nicholas Latifi Williams +59 Laps 12
19 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo +59 Laps 12
20 Romain Grosjean Haas +70 Laps 1

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It's cool to see McLaren showing promise.

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Yeah, it really is. I'm biased as they are my favorite team and have my favorite driver Carlos Sainz Jr. Unfortunately Carlos will be going to Ferrari next season. Every racer wants to go to Mugello at some point in their career. However, in this case, he will be playing second fiddle to Charles LeClerc.

Riccardo will be a fund guy to root for alongside Lando next year. So, I guess there will be some consolation.

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Sainz Jr seems like a really likeable guy. It will be cool to see two young drivers at Ferrari next year.

McLaren won't look bad with riccardo and Lando, either. I'm a riccardo fan so hope if McLaren builds on their success he will have a decent shot next year. It doesn't seem like Renault was a good fit for him. I can't imagine he has too many years left in him.

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Haas off to another rough start. Wouldn't be surprised to see some big changes there soon.

Really happy for Ocon. I enjoyed his story from S1 of Drive to Survive. Seems like one of the true talents that wasn't able to rely on connections as much as some others.

Perez is my new favorite driver. He deserved the vote in both Austrian events, especially today. Getting totally fed up of watching Hamilton/Mercedes win all the time. Almost ready to start booing them.

Perez and both Mercedes teams may be in trouble. They are essentially under investigation for collusion/intellectual property theft.

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Don't blame Perez. He's just a driver. Innocent until proven guilty anyways.

just watched "Williams" on Netflix. i think it is about 2 years old; but i defy anyone to watch it and not want them to do well. Pre-accident Frank seems like the most unreliable friend anyone could have but has so much charisma and energy he is still liked. Claire comes across as the opposite - thoughtful and reliable.

Not going to be a good year for them in 2020 though.

A good friend of mine just retired from Williams after working in their engineering dept for 30 yrs. Was there during their best years. Tells me some juicy stuff about the drivers - who were the good guys and who were the a**holes off the track.

Watching that series you really get an idea of how you need to be "in the circle" so to speak to reach F1. It doesn't seem many outsiders get in, and there are a surprising amount of second generation drivers (considering how few f1 drivers there are in total).

There are quite a few drivers I like cheering for, though.

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i bet that is interesting. The comments on when they had Mansell and Piquet as drivers were revealing. One boring, faithful but complained a lot to the crew, and the other enjoying life to the full and much more upbeat. I liked Piquet's comment on Mansell's dangerous driving during the time Frank is in hospital following the accident and they both think they should be #1 driver...."he gives me the choice of being second or dead"

If your job is driving 300kph a few centimetres away from other cars doing the same, I think you earn the right to be an asshole off the track :-).

What a cool and interesting career your friend must have had.

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I mean, no.

I think you earn the right to be an asshole on the track as long as you don't really put other peoples lives in danger. We lost way too many lives over the years for this type of attitude to be okay.

I do think drivers need to have an aggressive profile to an extent if they want to be winners.

Here's my story:

I was in the corporate tent of the tire company that is used in f1 (no names used wink, wink). Alex Albon and Daniel Riccardo came to the tent to do talks and interviews, etc. Both really nice guys, but Danny Ric has a bit of an edge to him that you can see. Alex was just nice as heck.

Turns out I had the corner suite on the same floor as Alex Albon where we were staying. I literally walked up to him when he's trying to get into his room the night before the race (kinda drunk), called him Daniil, and asked for a selfie. He looks at me like I'm crazy, but obliged. Side story is that he took the seat from Pierre and Daniil. So I called him the wrong driver after meeting him earlier in they day and he still gave me the pass.

Alex has been wrecked off the podium 2 times in the last 4 races by 6xWC Lewis Hamilton. He needs to develop that killer instinct.

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Hungarian Grand Prix - All times EasternFormula One
Friday, July 17 - Practice One - 4.55AM - ESPN2
Friday, July 17 - Practice Two - 8.55AM - ESPN2
Saturday, July 18 - Practice Three - 5.55AM - ESPNEWS
Saturday, July 18 - Qualfying - 8.55AM - ESPN
Sunday, July 19 - Build-up show - 7.30AM - ESPN
Sunday, July 19 - British Grand Prix - 9.05AM - ESPN
Formula Two
Friday, July 17 - Practice - 6.55AM - ESPN3
Friday, July 17 - Qualifying - 11AM - ESPN3
Saturday, July 18 - Race One - 11.45AM - ESPN3
Sunday, July 19 - Race Two - 5.10AM - ESPN3
Formula Three
Friday, July 17 - Practice - 1.35AM - ESPN+
Friday, July 17 - Qualifying - 8.05AM - ESPN+
Saturday, July 18 - Race One - 4.25AM - ESPN+
Sunday, July 19 - Race Two - 3.45AM - ESPN+

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I was joking around, I don't tend to favour drivers, or any athletes, who act like assholes.

Cool story about Albon!

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Just read Claire Williams will be stepping down. Probably a good decision by the new owners, but I really like Claire. She always struck me as someone way too pleasant to be TP of an F1 team. I don't think I've ever heard a bad thing said about her character. Wish her nothing but the best.

I thought that The Netflix doc really showed her in a bad light. She appeared clueless, not in control, unaware of potential major problems within the team, etc. Definitely came off as kind, but, not exactly a good leader. Maybe a bit too soft.

I don't know if that was an accurate portrait of her or not, just something I noticed.

Everyone likes to praise toto for being this really level headed, emotionally in tune and aware leader but I hear he is also quite demanding and has a hot headed side to him. I'm not sure Claire has that. Sometimes you need to use the stick instead of the carrot to get your team in line.

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Agreed and why I think it was ultimately the right move for their program

I've been watching Mercedes completely dominate this season! Just like Schumacher/Ferrari in the early 2000's. Lewis is in a world of his own... and will probably pass Michael in total wins this year (which I never thought anybody would!) Hopefully the new 2022 car/rules will level the playing field a bit. I will say I have been enjoying the racing that has been going on behind Mercedes. Nice to see Mclaren/Renault/Racing Point/Red Bull battling. Red Bull seems to be the only car that can even get close to the Mercs... I'd love to see Max in an equal car...as I feel he is the guy who could take it to Lewis.
Good to see racing back...and on almost every weekend!

The race for P3 is the only reason that I keep watching in the era of F1. Also maybe a little bit of hope that Ferrari will figure things out without turning into a Red Merc.

Haas: However I am impressed that Mr. Haas is backing the team for another year. Those guys really like getting it handed to them.

Williams: I’m sad to see the family leave the team. I finally thought they were starting to make some progress. This team has an amazing legacy and I hope 2021 isn’t the end for them.

Carlos S: do you think he’s kicking himself for the switch to Ferrari? McLaren have finally found some pace just in time for his departure and Ferrari is trying to set new lows.

Grosjean, K-mag, Torpedo, “Daddy’s money” Stroll, and maybe Latifi: in the grand scheme of things not awful drivers, just not F1 quality. Time to release them from starting spots, maybe keep them as reserve drivers or encourage them into another racing direction. I’d like to see Hulk get another shake, and there is some real talent in F2 with very little room step up. I think there are a couple other drivers that could potentially open seats up for F2.

*F1 opinions from a couch potato fan that has never driven an open wheeled car.

Haas signed Mick Schumacher to drive one of their cars in 2021, which is pretty cool. Unfortunately, both Haas drivers (Magnussen and Grosjean) are apparently out of F1 next season. I saw that they (or maybe just Grosjean) made vague confirmation that they've/he's been in tough with some Indy teams but it would suck for Romain to go out like this (assuming he doesn't heal fast enough to get back in the car this season, which ends in 10 days or so, right? Abu Dhabi?)

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