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Slow twitches Ben Deal looks like he had a good showing at Indian Wells today. Missed the podium by a minute finished roughly nine minutes off of 1st place.
Interested to see hear thoughts on the race.

NICE
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Second fastest run split by 8 seconds - great race for him! Also looking forward to post race thoughts!

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Great race - looks like he was almost 11 minutes faster than when was an age grouper there last year. Though I'm disappointed he didn't find a way to run 9 seconds faster so he could out split sanders on the run (maybe pink)

Matt
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Fishbum wrote:
Slow twitches Ben Deal looks like he had a good showing at Indian Wells today. Missed the podium by a minute finished roughly nine minutes off of 1st place.
Interested to see hear thoughts on the race.

NICE

great race for ben, and also eric lagerstrom.

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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5:48 min mile is unreal. Congrats!!!
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Yes; happy to see Lagerstrom on the podium and Findlay with the win!
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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That’s what happens when you stop riding a Ceepo 😂

Yes great race by Ben. I remember chatting with him after a race in flagstaff. Seemed like a good kid. Looking forward to his progress

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Yes; happy to see Lagerstrom on the podium and Findlay with the win!

I’ve goggled and can’t find the results

Where can we see them?
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [MrTri123] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty sure the Ironman tracker app is the only one with live results right now
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Sbernardi] [ In reply to ]
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Based off he and Summer's bike splits, switching to TriRig was probably a good call. She had a bike split of 2:25:50 (last year rode 2:36:09) and ended up placing 9th in the pro female division. Ben went from a 2:14:00 last year to a 2:09:23.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [s13tx] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Nice race by Ben, no doubt he will be on here giving us the blow by blow once he dries off. Did 4th get any money?

Not a great look for Lionel losing 3 minutes in a wetsuit swim, and with no ITU guys pushing the pace up front either. But that 2 flat ride was pretty solid, no doubt all alone, and with no motos..1;12 runs is also solid, enough to win pretty easily, but not drilling it so hard it will be more than the usual week for recovery. What did 1st pay here, anyone know??
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
Nice race by Ben, no doubt he will be on here giving us the blow by blow once he dries off. Did 4th get any money?

Not a great look for Lionel losing 3 minutes in a wetsuit swim, and with no ITU guys pushing the pace up front either. But that 2 flat ride was pretty solid, no doubt all alone, and with no motos..1;12 runs is also solid, enough to win pretty easily, but not drilling it so hard it will be more than the usual week for recovery. What did 1st pay here, anyone know??

Prize purse was $25,000. According to the pro prize distribution table https://www.ironman.com/pro-athletes, winner would get $5,000. Money was pays down to 6th. 4th pays $1,250.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [test] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks, decent payday for Lionel, no doubt it costs him nothing to be here, and has probably at least as much or more in bonuses for this win. The other guys, probably had to pay some expenses, so unless they got to drive to the race, didnt make their rent this month...
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Not really. He is taxed immediately.
Hasn't got a pay check since about Sept 25th so... about 10 weeks.
Take the cost for all 4 races this year and Hawaii, lots spend $$$. he is averaging about $500-$800 a week income.
The guys putting out the fencing and pylons are making more overall yearly income with zero expenses.

This sport Sucks for money.

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Triathletetoth] [ In reply to ]
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So this race he did and won had no money a few weeks ago?

https://www.slowtwitch.com/..._Los_Cabos_7481.html

And keep in mind Lionel gets a salary, from lots of companies, whether he gets in the prize money or not. He also doesnt pay a dime to get to them. I wish that putting up fences paid that much, I need to put up a few around here.. (-;
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Forgot that one sorry.

I am not going to respond anymore because I don't want to turn a BEN did awesome post into a Lionel post.

Ben did great. Good for him.

Can you make a post to ask Pros what there self worth is. as it has been reported the pro 40th in the world makes under minimum wage.

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Triathletetoth] [ In reply to ]
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Can you make a post to ask Pros what there self worth is. as it has been reported the pro 40th in the world makes under minimum wage. //

Ya, Ben had a pretty decent race, but will wait for him to come here and give us all the details. Looks like he maybe rode a bit easier than the main bunch, but was able to reel is some stragglers on the run.

As for another thread about pros and what they actually make(not self worth, but actual worth$$), it is not something people are going to just put out there. Some of the low level will perhaps, as they dont have complicated or potentially embarrassing contracts. But I can guarantee you that the 40th best pro makes more than minimum wage, that person whoever they are, are likely getting low 6 figures in total compensation. Keep in mind any prize money lists you might see, are incomplete, and for most pros, the least of their compensation in total salaries..


It was one of the reasons I brought it up on this thread, I believe Ben has been pretty open with the life and money challenges of journeyman pros in out sport. It would be great if when he gets here, he can expound on that topic now that he is actually getting some prize$$..
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Congratulations to an AP athlete who went out there was was killing the run. Great race Ben! Way to represent our team and show AP training pays off.

I don’t post enough so my opinions must be considered spam.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Haha but in all seriousness, thanks everyone for following along. Both Summer and I are pretty psyched today. I've got a lot of thoughts and will comment on everything in this thread tomorrow during part 2 of our drive back to Albuquerque. I will say I didn't expect to be running in the 1:12's (though my watch read 12.98mi) this soon, which makes me even more motivated to keep building that bike fitness. Lots of improvement to be had! Stay tuned for more details!

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [test] [ In reply to ]
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test wrote:
monty wrote:
Nice race by Ben, no doubt he will be on here giving us the blow by blow once he dries off. Did 4th get any money?

Not a great look for Lionel losing 3 minutes in a wetsuit swim, and with no ITU guys pushing the pace up front either. But that 2 flat ride was pretty solid, no doubt all alone, and with no motos..1;12 runs is also solid, enough to win pretty easily, but not drilling it so hard it will be more than the usual week for recovery. What did 1st pay here, anyone know??

Prize purse was $25,000. According to the pro prize distribution table https://www.ironman.com/pro-athletes, winner would get $5,000. Money was pays down to 6th. 4th pays $1,250.

Great race, specifically run and best T2. But...are we allowed to rib him about losing 500$ in T1?

Maurice
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Your race was good.

Your meme post was excellent.

It's going to be hard to top that going forward. The meme post that is.

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Awesome race. Been following you since last year’s Indian Wells, excited to your progress and Summer’s as well.

Also great meme ðŸ‘ðŸ»

Interested to know if you think the cold swim actually helps on the bike and run, keeping core temp down, allowing you to delay fatigue sonewhat like a cooling vest (that ProTour cyclists etc use pre-stage) might?
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [monty] [ In reply to ]
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As far as Lionel goes, his YouTube income is probably makes up a good chunk too... probably more than his prize money this year.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
Nice race by Ben, no doubt he will be on here giving us the blow by blow once he dries off. Did 4th get any money?

Not a great look for Lionel losing 3 minutes in a wetsuit swim, and with no ITU guys pushing the pace up front either. But that 2 flat ride was pretty solid, no doubt all alone, and with no motos..1;12 runs is also solid, enough to win pretty easily, but not drilling it so hard it will be more than the usual week for recovery. What did 1st pay here, anyone know??

Who got two flats Monty?
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [CementBottle] [ In reply to ]
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CementBottle wrote:
Who got two flats Monty?


Think Monty meant "2 hour flat ride".
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Andres] [ In reply to ]
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Andres wrote:
As far as Lionel goes, his YouTube income is probably makes up a good chunk too... probably more than his prize money this year.

his youtube does not earn him a "big chunk" of his overall income at this point

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Can't help but chuckle at this.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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x3 on superb meme usage. Nice race too.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [monty] [ In reply to ]
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He also did a bathroom stop on the second lap so that 1:12 is probably more like a 1:10.

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [CementBottle] [ In reply to ]
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Who got two flats Monty? //

Ha! Good one, another tangent...
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [WhittleFit] [ In reply to ]
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WhittleFit wrote:
CementBottle wrote:
Who got two flats Monty?


Think Monty meant "2 hour flat ride".

How did I miss that. Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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He was barely faster than Sanders in the swim and with the slow T1 it looks like he got left behind on the bike. Interested to read his race report it looks he is close to putting together a monster race
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Amazing run Ben! Congrats!

At Waco you put socks on in T1 and thus had a slow T1 & fast T2. Did you do that again here?
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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great race man, looking forward to reading your write-up!

the world's still turning? >>>>>>> the world's still turning
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Fishbum wrote:
Slow twitches Ben Deal looks like he had a good showing at Indian Wells today. Missed the podium by a minute finished roughly nine minutes off of 1st place.
Interested to see hear thoughts on the race.

NICE

Yeah, that was a SOLID race. He's living up to his screen name :)

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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That’s how you know you have really made it....being talked about on ST in the same thread as LS!!! Well done (on the race too!).
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Triathletetoth] [ In reply to ]
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I have zero doubt there is more money in being a pro Memer compared to a pro triathlete. I might consider a career change.

I'll still post a full on race report on our website in the next few weeks but I'll give an overview here and field any additional questions.

I'll start off by saying that for the last month and a half, Summer and I have been trying a full on plant-based diet. Yes, this was entirely inspired by Gamechangers. We decided to give it a go at least through this race and re-evaluate after. After some initial problems with me getting wayyy too much fiber, we figured it out and stayed true for the whole time. Lots of potatoes and veggie burgers (both soy and veggie based). I'm not going to say I felt completely different, but I had some really great workouts and definitely didn't feel worse. We were already eating fairly healthy to begin with though. I was already off dairy because that had started to react poorly with me so the transition wasn't too bad, even as someone who loves Wendy's and bacon for breakfast.

The swim was a bit dissapointing to me, I'm better than a MOP swimmer and should have at least been in the 24's. Not exactly sure why I was so far back. No problems with the cold, though I did have some poor sighting. I was in a Desoto t1 wetsuit for the first time which felt fantastic. My core was legitimately toasty by the last quarter of the swim. Big fan of that.

My t1 sucks. Definite area for improvement. I think I would have benefitted from a longer transition, and just fumbled a bit with the cold hands. I don't flying mount still but I promise I'm not losing time to 95% of the pros that are. The amount of time guys spend coasting trying to get into their shoes more than negates their "fast t1". Still though, I do need to shore that up now that my bike is getting stronger and I can actually ride in packs.

I've never really raced on the bike before, and at first thought this wasn't going to be all that different. Biking is still pretty new to me and my power is improving fast but I'm not at the level of alot of these guys. I found Curtis Feltner early and he stuck with me as we started to move up. Saw Joe Gambles on the side of the road pretty early which was unfortunate. My first 1:05 was 310w average. I was working hard but I could tell we were gaining on the packs. We caught a group of 4 about 20 miles in that we coulnd't quite drop. Another 20 miles later we caught a group of 3 that stuck. We picked up a few more stragglers before the finish. At that point I could tell that there wasn't going to be much value in trying to put time on the big group now. It kind of blew my mind how much easier it was to ride in a paceline. My last hour was 278w average. Sure, I could have kept on the gas and maybe put 20 seconds on the pack but the effort was just not going to be worth it. I had already done more than my share of time on the front so I wasn't feeling exceptionally generous at the end there. We rolled into T2 in a big group. The Omni felt incredible by the way. We also had the closed back scoops on, mounted just a few days before the race. That bike with those cups was the pinnacle of comfort for me, and it felt crazy fast. Although they were slightly different bike courses, I rode 2:14:00 on 279w NP last year, and 2:09:23 on 295w NP this year. I haven't done the BBS analysis yet but I'm pretty sure that means I was more aero in all the same kit except for the bike and wheels.

T2 is my kingdom. Not exactly sure why but I almost always have the fastest t2 in every race. This one was no exception. I came in to t2 in 12 and out in 7th.

7th didn't last for long though as within a mile Kevin Collington and Jason West absolutely blew by me while I was running 5:25/mi pace. I figured there was no way they could hold that so I let them go and they ended up settling into a pace together about 50m up the path from me. I hung there for 6-7 miles until they started to fade. Kevin first, then Jason a mile later. It's pretty worthless to base effort on pace on this course as it's nonstop up and down and twisty so I just ran hard and rarely glanced at my watch. Red Bull at every aid station. Jason tried to sit with me for a few steps when I caught him at mile 10ish but I could tell he was hurting and wouldn't stay for long. I could tell I was running fast but I had been looking at my watch so little that I honestly had no idea quite how fast I was running. It was all about taking the best line on the path, not rolling an ankle on the tight turns and dirt paths, and keeping my eyes up looking for the next pay bump. There were lots of helpful spectators out on the course giving time intel about where the other guys were. I gave an honest effort to catch 3rd but just ran out of real estate. Honestly, my running workouts have been decent, but there wasn't anything in there to indicate I was capable of this race. I do train at altitude so that's always a little bit of an unknown but still, this surprising for both me and my coach, but don't get me wrong, its not a fluke :P. Also Lionel did have a bathroom break or two so unfortunately not quite as close to him as the time would indicate. He gave me a nice little shout out on the podium for being in the Age Group race here last year and then on the pro podium this year.

$1250 is certainly nice as at this point I'm still going to races hoping for money, but not expecting it. We were going to this race whether or not either of us made money so we're not treating this as "covering expenses" even though it pretty much is. We drive to almost every race to save money. 11 hours each way for this one. For now, Summer and I both work part time, and she is a full-time student. We make enough to live comfortably in a low cost of living place and pay any expenses we have. The rest of our money pretty much goes to racing and gear. Summer is now coaching a handful of athletes which will be a constant, but small, source of income. I have no desire to coach others and I don't think I'd be a particularly good coach anyways. I love advising on technical aspects and I still want to get fit certified but as far as training goes, I'll leave that to those that have that passion. After Summer graduates in May, we're likely moving back home to Virginia where her parents have a spare apartment they've offered to us. We'd love to go to Boulder or CO Springs or some triathlon Mecca, however the only chance we'll have to give training and racing an honest, full-time effort, will be if we have a free place to live. At that point we'll probably be able to make just enough from prize money and contracts to pay for racing which will then hopefully build upon itself for future years, eventually allowing us to live where we want to and continue to invest more time and energy into racing. I've said it a number of times before, I want this to be a career. Despite all the warnings of how hard it is to make it as a pro, there are still a number of people out there who do. I've talked to a number of people who say we're about to hit a turning point in triathlon. Obviously I hope it turns in favor of the sport, participation, pro prize money, and opportunities. If it doesn't, we'll clearly have to reevaluate, but for now, we're all in.

I've earned $3000 this year in prize money, before taxes. It's not a lot, but that's $3000 more than I could have counted on 8 months ago, so I'm thrilled with it. The incoming check from Indian Wells meant we got to stay in a $100 hotel room in Phoenix on the way back from the race instead of sleeping in our car (only kind of kidding). In my race report thread almost exactly a year ago after I qualified as a pro, I got lots of well meaning advice on the side of think carefully before turning pro. I'm sure it was good to hear that caution, but I knew I had some potential. Triathlon is the first, of many sports I've done, that I've felt truly motivated to succeed in. Not exactly sure why, but it just works for me.

Next year will be another year of exclusively 70.3s. I feel no need, nor desire, to step up to 140.6 yet. If its a North American 70.3 with a pro field. We'll probably be there. Until someone starts paying for our travel, I don't see us getting out of the country much. With more experience, 50watts added to my FTP in the offseason, and continued improvement on the run, I like to think I'll make quite the statement.

So that ended up being real long, and if you made it to this point, feel free to ask me anything about the race, semi-pro life, or anything you see fit!

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Virginia may not seem like a cycling/tri mecca, but areas like Charlottesville that are super close to the BRP are actually pretty great places to live. There's a lot of community support with local tri groups and local races in the Charlottesville and Richmond areas. The only non-IM branded 70.3 with a pro category (and prize money) that I know of in the VA/MD area is Savageman which has a prize purse for the Big Savage Challenge.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Struggling pro couple, living on the road pretty much, sleeping in cars, and racing for a one night hotel stay, what's not to love about this sport!! Nice write up, and I share all of your ambitions for you and your lady, and think you are absolutely making the right choice here. This is such a lottery ticket, that almost no one gets to play, and whenever it is over, you still have the rest of your life to do the next thing. Grab for the brass ring every time, and dont get off that merry go round until it has finally stopped..

So nice ride there, now just have to move it up one more group with that new weapon of yours. And dont worry about that swim, I used to live right there, and that is truly cold water, bone chilling cold, and not everyone reacts the same. Lionel as well had a shit swim, no doubt the cold affected him there too. (had to get in at least one Lionel reference)

At least you had the right wetsuit, those T1's are about as warm as you can get, and you dont have to pay any penalty in the shoulders for all that extra rubber. And it might be time for you two to start seeking out some bigger regional type races(non WTC), probably get some/all expenses, start fees for pro clinics and talks, and who doesnt love being a big fish in a small pond?

Great Jobe once again, will be watching...
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats on the nice race Ben. I know you’re excited with your progress. I love that you are getting to chase your dreams. What were some of your key bike and run workouts leading up to the race.

Let food be thy medicine...
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [mungub50] [ In reply to ]
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2 mins to pee in a race???? I’d be curious to hear from him...I’m thinking it Maybe cost him :30-40
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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So what exactly are you doing in T1....shoes on at bike and then running to mount line in them??

Oh to answer above, how much time lost peeing?? :)
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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I was always the only MPro in any race I did doing what you described. I don't think it was slower. Just dorkier.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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I think it may depend on size of transition. For smaller races/transition areas, I think this method is definitely faster. If there is a longer run in transition with cycling shoes, I’m not so sure.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Lionel flew by me on the run (my first lap, his second) and then flew by me again literally :40 seconds later. You are spot on with the :30-:40 second bathroom break at most
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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So did you ask Lionel Sanders to be your swim run partner for the Catalina race? You guys had practically the same swim and run splits in this race.
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats Ben - real pleasure to follow your journey! What are the improvements you are thinking of for your upcoming T1s?

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Great race Ben. Thanks for the RR.

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats on the great race! It's been fun following your first year as a pro, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses. Best of luck chasing your dream!
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the report. I think this was also your first race in the next%. Thoughts on those?
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Great race well done! And thanks for the insight. You earned yourself a Instagram follow (or 2, not sure which of your channels to follow?).
Must be such a crazy/stressfull but also amazing experience living out of a van with your GF/wife doing what you are both passionate about!
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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It was #2 and he said he didn’t quite make it to the toilet in time. His back was evidence of that when he went by me for the second time...I’d guess it did cost him a minute or two.

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [mungub50] [ In reply to ]
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I guess I can’t claim TMI as I basically asked for that one!!
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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats on the great result - solid progress all year! What prompted the switch to the Omni? Is that something you purchased or a sponsorship bike? Looks pretty sweet - how do you like those new TriRig arm cups?

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Re: Ben Deal at Indian Wells [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
s13tx wrote:
5:48 min mile is unreal. Congrats!!!


1:12:39 is much faster than 5:48 min mile. Looks like another Ironman bug perhaps?

You are right. Correct pace is 5:32.75 min/mile.
Even more impressive.
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HeartRN wrote:
Virginia may not seem like a cycling/tri mecca, but areas like Charlottesville that are super close to the BRP are actually pretty great places to live. There's a lot of community support with local tri groups and local races in the Charlottesville and Richmond areas. The only non-IM branded 70.3 with a pro category (and prize money) that I know of in the VA/MD area is Savageman which has a prize purse for the Big Savage Challenge.
Huh! We'll definitely have to look into Savageman more. Looks like its around the same time as Santa Cruz 70.3 which we loved last year, but still worth a look. And yeah, we're super excited to be going back to Virginia. Not so much looking forward to the humidity but both of our families live there and we've got lots of friends in the area still! Thanks for the tip!

JackStraw13 wrote:
Congrats on the nice race Ben. I know you’re excited with your progress. I love that you are getting to chase your dreams. What were some of your key bike and run workouts leading up to the race.
Great question. I actually really like looking back at that one workout that kind of indicated I was capable of racing as well as I did. For the bike, my coach has been having me do a lot of bike strength work, mostly low cadence extended efforts around FTP. My best of these was probably a 2x20min overgear interval with 2 minutes rest between. Ended up going 326w @ 149bpm, 337w @ 159bpm. And it wasn't exceptionally hard. I know the low cadence stuff keeps the heart rate lower but I was still pretty happy with that workout and gave me some confidence to drop to a lower gear and just push hard for a bit while racing if I needed to.

On the running side, for the 5 weeks of training between Waco 70.3 and my taper for Indian Wells, I only averaged 23 miles a week. The run was not the focus at all. There was even more easy running in there than normal. Usually once a week my coach does have me do a hill workout consisting of 2min efforts that I usually end up doing on a treadmill. It's great for just getting the heart rate through the roof and recovering just enough to be able to spike it again. Really kind of crazy to look back at that mileage though and then the result from Sunday!

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So what exactly are you doing in T1....shoes on at bike and then running to mount line in them??
Yup! That's it. And like jkhayc said, 99% of the time I'm not losing time. Unless there was a really slick transition surface, I can run pretty fast in my cycling shoes as well. This one was not so much about a poor strategy, more so just poor execution.

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So did you ask Lionel Sanders to be your swim run partner for the Catalina race? You guys had practically the same swim and run splits in this race.
Ha! A good idea, but considering his bathroom break, unfortunately he's still a much better runner and I like to believe I'm a much better swimmer (though not so much this race). I do have a great offer for a Catalina partner though! If Summer and I don't race together hopefully I can still make it fit into the schedule!

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Congrats Ben - real pleasure to follow your journey! What are the improvements you are thinking of for your upcoming T1s?
Thanks! This was my homework from my coach. I don't think there's any magic there aside from just practicing it more. Like almost everyone, its something I generally ignore until race week. I'm guessing 30 minutes every other week would be about the free-est 30 seconds I could find in every race! I think I'm going to continue to stay away from flying mounts for now as well. I have no doubt that with enough practice I could make it faster, but as of now I use lace up shoes with elastic laces and I enjoy watching others coast for 45 seconds fiddling with their shoes while I fly by them.

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Thanks for the report. I think this was also your first race in the next%. Thoughts on those?
Yeah it was! The main thing I can think of right now is how painful walking around is. My feet are far more destroyed blister and rubbing wise than ever before. My heels have large wounds on them from that little heel foam thing. Worth it obviously, but still uncomfortable. Honestly I can't say I necessarily felt a "pop" like a lot of people claim. They did feel oddly squishy and bouncy but other than that I wouldn't say I felt different racing in them. It's hard to make solid statements about the speed of them because as of now my sample size is 1. Yup, I absolutely had the best run of my life, and I'd be lying if I thought the Next% didn't have something small to do with it, but I like to think I also just ran really hard. And based on how my body feels right now, I think that's the case.

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Great race well done! And thanks for the insight. You earned yourself a Instagram follow (or 2, not sure which of your channels to follow?).
Must be such a crazy/stressfull but also amazing experience living out of a van with your GF/wife doing what you are both passionate about!
Thank you! To be clear, we're not living out of the van right now. Just have it around for trips and camping and such, although it does need a new transmission at the moment so we're kind of waiting to find the money for that. As far as stress goes, I have always had this almost unnatural ability to not get stressed about anything. In school I would have a paper due in a few hours or a exam that I hadn't even remotely studied for and it wouldn't even phase me (I was not a good student and probably shouldn't have gone to school at all). This has been a good compliment to Summer, who is significantly more ambitious than me generally, and fills her life with all types of events and volunteering that can tend to stress her out. I'm able to keep her grounded and she keeps my life interesting :)

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Congrats on the great result - solid progress all year! What prompted the switch to the Omni? Is that something you purchased or a sponsorship bike? Looks pretty sweet - how do you like those new TriRig arm cups?
TriRig is a full on sponsor for us this year! I was never on any type of contract with Ceepo, just the affiliation so I was always free to use whatever. When Summer and I met Nick for the photoshoot with the Ceepos in August, he mentioned the possibility of us getting on the Omnis for 2020. I've always been a huge fan of bikes that stand out, and clearly Nick makes quality products. We got along well and after some discussion and not too much deliberation, we were totally on board. It means a lot to us to have a genuine relationship with companies, and the fact that we were able to drive up to TriRig HQ and build the bikes with Nick and Jeremiah over a weekend was awesome. If given the choice of any bike to ride, the Omni would have been at or near the top of the list, so this is kind of a dream come true. Plus it's really fun for Summer and I to have matching bikes :)

The Scoops and insanely comfortable. I run max tilt on my Alpha one bars plus the new 115mm rise extensions so my hands are pretty far up there. I added a spacer under the front bolt on the cups to add a bit more angle to the cups and it's absurd how locked in and relaxed I feel. Seriously game changing for us from a comfort perspective.

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Huh! We'll definitely have to look into Savageman more. Looks like its around the same time as Santa Cruz 70.3 which we loved last year, but still worth a look. And yeah, we're super excited to be going back to Virginia. Not so much looking forward to the humidity but both of our families live there and we've got lots of friends in the area still! Thanks for the tip!

Ha one spot further down the pecking order for me! Or two when Summer beats me... It would be cool to see you guys there though - its an awesome event. Congrats on the race man

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You’re not wrong about the humidity. The humidity is BAD. I wouldn’t look forward to it either. 95% humidity and in the 60s today. In December.
But yes, definitely check out Savageman and The Big Savage Challenge. It’s a super cool event, definitely would be closer than Santa Cruz! And I bet Santa Cruz doesn’t have anything like The Westernport Wall
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natethomas wrote:
Congrats on the great result - solid progress all year! What prompted the switch to the Omni? Is that something you purchased or a sponsorship bike? Looks pretty sweet - how do you like those new TriRig arm cups?

TriRig is a full on sponsor for us this year! I was never on any type of contract with Ceepo, just the affiliation so I was always free to use whatever. When Summer and I met Nick for the photoshoot with the Ceepos in August, he mentioned the possibility of us getting on the Omnis for 2020. I've always been a huge fan of bikes that stand out, and clearly Nick makes quality products. We got along well and after some discussion and not too much deliberation, we were totally on board. It means a lot to us to have a genuine relationship with companies, and the fact that we were able to drive up to TriRig HQ and build the bikes with Nick and Jeremiah over a weekend was awesome. If given the choice of any bike to ride, the Omni would have been at or near the top of the list, so this is kind of a dream come true. Plus it's really fun for Summer and I to have matching bikes :)

The Scoops and insanely comfortable. I run max tilt on my Alpha one bars plus the new 115mm rise extensions so my hands are pretty far up there. I added a spacer under the front bolt on the cups to add a bit more angle to the cups and it's absurd how locked in and relaxed I feel. Seriously game changing for us from a comfort perspective.
By way of followup - TriRig has onboarded several new athletes riding the Omni. Matt Russell was the first (and he will be with us again for 2020), and we've already added six more! Official announcements to follow. But we are THRILLED to have Ben and Summer on board, for all the reasons that have become obvious in this thread. Their fresh, positive, bootstrap-built energy is awesome enough on its own. But Ben's attention to detail on equipment, and his dedication to engaging on social media, documenting his experience for the benefit of public readership, and his great attitude and sense of humor (see Southpark meme above) brings very real value to TriRig. Plus Ben and Summer are just great people, and as he mentioned, we got along like a house on fire. Sponsorship was a no-brainer. CONGRATS on the great race, Ben!

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You are now- Sophomore Pro.

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I've really started to become a big fan of Ben and his wife. So glad you had such a great race. Best of luck with the off season and hope that this race helps with the winter motivation!

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Sean H wrote:
Thanks for the report. I think this was also your first race in the next%. Thoughts on those?

Yeah it was! The main thing I can think of right now is how painful walking around is. My feet are far more destroyed blister and rubbing wise than ever before. My heels have large wounds on them from that little heel foam thing. Worth it obviously, but still uncomfortable. Honestly I can't say I necessarily felt a "pop" like a lot of people claim. They did feel oddly squishy and bouncy but other than that I wouldn't say I felt different racing in them. It's hard to make solid statements about the speed of them because as of now my sample size is 1. Yup, I absolutely had the best run of my life, and I'd be lying if I thought the Next% didn't have something small to do with it, but I like to think I also just ran really hard. And based on how my body feels right now, I think that's the case.

lassekk wrote:
Great race well done! And thanks for the insight. You earned yourself a Instagram follow (or 2, not sure which of your channels to follow?).
Must be such a crazy/stressfull but also amazing experience living out of a van with your GF/wife doing what you are both passionate about!

Thank you! To be clear, we're not living out of the van right now. Just have it around for trips and camping and such, although it does need a new transmission at the moment so we're kind of waiting to find the money for that. As far as stress goes, I have always had this almost unnatural ability to not get stressed about anything. In school I would have a paper due in a few hours or a exam that I hadn't even remotely studied for and it wouldn't even phase me (I was not a good student and probably shouldn't have gone to school at all). This has been a good compliment to Summer, who is significantly more ambitious than me generally, and fills her life with all types of events and volunteering that can tend to stress her out. I'm able to keep her grounded and she keeps my life interesting :)

Did you go sockless on the run?

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Did you go sockless on the run?
Yup! I generally only put socks on if its cold enough to warrant a little additional warmth for the toes. This wasn't quite that. If you follow us on Instagram though, you'll know that my feet paid the price. The black tab of foam in the heel of the Next%, presumably to keep you locked in, rubbed hard and it's extremely uncomfortable for me to walk around in shoes right now. Wouldn't change it for anything though.

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When you say you don't do a flying mount, are you referring to the actual act of leaping onto your bike as you run (across mount line) or do you mean that but with your shoes clipped in already? (Or something else entirely).

A flying mount in your cycling shoes is not difficult. That is an easy 5 bike lengths you gain on someone not doing that, if not more.

Or am I misinterpreting?
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When you say you don't do a flying mount, are you referring to the actual act of leaping onto your bike as you run (across mount line) or do you mean that but with your shoes clipped in already? (Or something else entirely).

A flying mount in your cycling shoes is not difficult. That is an easy 5 bike lengths you gain on someone not doing that, if not more.

Or am I misinterpreting?
So far, I've stopped at the mount line and straddle my bike, clip in one foot, then start moving. I'm in the process of switching to Speedplay Zeros right now though. Not that it would have been difficult to do a flying mount even with my shoes on before, but it's probably worth learning now considering it's extra easy with the dual sided clip ins. I get that my process hasn't been the absolute fastest but I'm fairly efficient at what I do do.

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You should start wearing socks homie!

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You need to start watching ITU races (they’re perfect for the trainer). The triathlonlive.tv is only like $30/yr or something, and you will get access to all the races from the last few years as well. Those folks have T1 dialed in (because they have to), and they practice a lot. Comparing yourself to other long course pros shouldn’t be your measure of success here, always strive to be world class in everything, even transition.

It’s not hard to have your shoes on your bike, and use rubber bands to hold them level (and wide open) so that when you land on the seat, you can slip your feet directly into the shoes. Then only have to tighten them up when you get a chance. I agree with you that putting your feet on top of your shoes and then having to work them in later isn’t very efficient.
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Did you feel like you burned any extra matches going 1X (IE needed more gears) on the bike? Please bear in mind I'm unfamiliar with that bike course.
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Yeah, I learned my lesson on going sock less with the Next% in the first race I did with them. And that was only a sprint. My feet were tore up badly, especially the heel area, just as you described. I'll never run in them without socks again.
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Did you go sockless on the run?

Yup! I generally only put socks on if its cold enough to warrant a little additional warmth for the toes. This wasn't quite that. If you follow us on Instagram though, you'll know that my feet paid the price. The black tab of foam in the heel of the Next%, presumably to keep you locked in, rubbed hard and it's extremely uncomfortable for me to walk around in shoes right now. Wouldn't change it for anything though.

I find that if I roll my socks and place them in my shoes it takes no longer than 10 seconds total to have both socks on - definitely worth it when blisters may be involved!

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realbdeal wrote:
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Did you go sockless on the run?

Yup! I generally only put socks on if its cold enough to warrant a little additional warmth for the toes. This wasn't quite that. If you follow us on Instagram though, you'll know that my feet paid the price. The black tab of foam in the heel of the Next%, presumably to keep you locked in, rubbed hard and it's extremely uncomfortable for me to walk around in shoes right now. Wouldn't change it for anything though.


I find that if I roll my socks and place them in my shoes it takes no longer than 10 seconds total to have both socks on - definitely worth it when blisters may be involved!
I think I am decently quick with socks, but imagine the flak I would have gotten if my t1 had been 10 seconds longer or I didn't have the incredible t2 to slightly redeem t1 :D

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You need to start watching ITU races (they’re perfect for the trainer). The triathlonlive.tv is only like $30/yr or something, and you will get access to all the races from the last few years as well. Those folks have T1 dialed in (because they have to), and they practice a lot. Comparing yourself to other long course pros shouldn’t be your measure of success here, always strive to be world class in everything, even transition.

It’s not hard to have your shoes on your bike, and use rubber bands to hold them level (and wide open) so that when you land on the seat, you can slip your feet directly into the shoes. Then only have to tighten them up when you get a chance. I agree with you that putting your feet on top of your shoes and then having to work them in later isn’t very efficient.
This is good advice and probably just want I needed to hear. With my elastic lace shoes that can't hold a wide open position, I think I always just shied away from even giving it a chance. Maybe next season I'll have some of Ed O'malleys fancy shoes though and I can make up time in both transition and aero. Thanks!

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Amazing race, Ben (and Summer)!

I noticed in the pics that you are running some shallower than normal Princeton Carbon Works wheels. Can you talk a bit about your wheel choice? Is that the set you chose for all round best performance over a wide variety of races or was this a decision for this race only?
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Amazing race, Ben (and Summer)!

I noticed in the pics that you are running some shallower than normal Princeton Carbon Works wheels. Can you talk a bit about your wheel choice? Is that the set you chose for all round best performance over a wide variety of races or was this a decision for this race only?
Thank you! And good question. This is one of the aspects of sponsorship that kind of surprised me this past year. I figured that it would be tough to find companies to provide product, much less $$$, especially to a first year pro. However, I thought there would be wheel companies begging us to ride their wheels in the pro field... boy was I wrong. I guess I thought that because there are so many wheel companies that offer essentially the same product, the value of having their wheels under pros would be tangible and obvious. As I understand though, with wheels being fairly low margin, I guess it doesn't work like that. I contacted probably every single wheel company out there, including Yoeleo and Farsports. I figured with our history of promoting ways to be competitive without spending a ton of money they would at least love us. Nope.

We were super fortunate to get in touch with Marty over at Princeton Carbonworks. We had a kind of loose connection from my brief days rowing at Columbia, when he coached the team at Princeton. He liked our story and I think, sees our potential as we do, and promptly sent us two sets. And holy cow, these are some beautiful wheels. And they ride fantastically. Sure I could probably handle something deeper on front, but this 60/65mm depth is perfect for Summer. PCW doesn't make a disc yet but we're working on something with them to have a rear disc to race in for 2020. I know that they may not be the absolute fastest setup for a tri or TT, and that makes sense as the wheels are really great all-arounders for every application. They weigh around ~1500g and in low yaw races like Indian Wells was this past weekend, the penalty of not having the disc was minimal. Dan actually wrote about these wheels last year in a front page article also.

All this is to say that we don't have money to buy wheels, so when a company puts their faith in us, we appreciate it greatly and will do our best to represent them well ;) It helps that these wheels really are awesome though.

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You need to start watching ITU races (they’re perfect for the trainer). The triathlonlive.tv is only like $30/yr or something, and you will get access to all the races from the last few years as well. Those folks have T1 dialed in (because they have to), and they practice a lot. Comparing yourself to other long course pros shouldn’t be your measure of success here, always strive to be world class in everything, even transition.

It’s not hard to have your shoes on your bike, and use rubber bands to hold them level (and wide open) so that when you land on the seat, you can slip your feet directly into the shoes. Then only have to tighten them up when you get a chance. I agree with you that putting your feet on top of your shoes and then having to work them in later isn’t very efficient.

There is a lot about transitions that can be learned watching ITU, some things to do, and some things not to do. SOME of those folks have things dialed... I've worked numerous ITU mount lines, and have seen as many trainwrecks as I have perfect mounts (it's actually alarming how bad some of the ITU folks are at transition, there are folks who have podiumed in the WTS, that don't podium more regularly because they miss critical groups in races due to poor transitions))... That said, you can learn from how clean, efficient and organized their transitions are (everything in place, the fewest number of things to do before leaving (grab your helmet, buckle and go...), etc.).

I'll agree with the comment, that shoes on flying mount is less bad then stop and straddle, but nailing a shoes on pedals flying mount would be even faster. It's not wrong to think that many people who do the shoes on flying mount may be losing time not getting into their shoes efficiently when riding (typically this is caused by trying to get into the shoes too soon while cruising at low speed, rather than riding 1-2min getting the speed up, which makes it much easier to get into your shoes while maintaining speed and line...), because an unpracticed transition of any form is going to be less polished than a practice one. For shoes on flying mounts, there's tons of YouTube videos on cyclocross mounting technique, which is exactly this... From there the transition to a shoes in pedal flying mount is easy because the only difference is getting into the shoes while making forward progress on the bike, rather than while standing still at your spot in T1 (note, I didn't say landing on your shoes, because if you do, you're doing it wrong, you should be landing on your inner thigh, and then sliding onto your seat and your feet onto your shoes, rather than going directly to the seat and pedals, since that approach drastically increases the TP Quotient (TP = Testicular Pain)...

Transitions don't need a lot of practice, they just need some regular rehearsals to not forget how to do it (could be as simple as a weekly brick workout where you actually practice your transition (I set up a makeshift T-zone in my back yard, I'll do a short run, finishing in the yard, do my T-1, using the end of the driveway as a mount line and then doing my ride, and then at the end of the ride transition into my proper run session...)). Yes you could do focused transition repeats when learning a new transition skill such as a shoe on flying mount and then a shoe off flying mount... but after that, it's less about spending 3min, it's more about spending 30sec more often...
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Kickr wrote:
Amazing race, Ben (and Summer)!

I noticed in the pics that you are running some shallower than normal Princeton Carbon Works wheels. Can you talk a bit about your wheel choice? Is that the set you chose for all round best performance over a wide variety of races or was this a decision for this race only?

Thank you! And good question. This is one of the aspects of sponsorship that kind of surprised me this past year. I figured that it would be tough to find companies to provide product, much less $$$, especially to a first year pro. However, I thought there would be wheel companies begging us to ride their wheels in the pro field... boy was I wrong. I guess I thought that because there are so many wheel companies that offer essentially the same product, the value of having their wheels under pros would be tangible and obvious. As I understand though, with wheels being fairly low margin, I guess it doesn't work like that. I contacted probably every single wheel company out there, including Yoeleo and Farsports. I figured with our history of promoting ways to be competitive without spending a ton of money they would at least love us. Nope.

We were super fortunate to get in touch with Marty over at Princeton Carbonworks. We had a kind of loose connection from my brief days rowing at Columbia, when he coached the team at Princeton. He liked our story and I think, sees our potential as we do, and promptly sent us two sets. And holy cow, these are some beautiful wheels. And they ride fantastically. Sure I could probably handle something deeper on front, but this 60/65mm depth is perfect for Summer. PCW doesn't make a disc yet but we're working on something with them to have a rear disc to race in for 2020. I know that they may not be the absolute fastest setup for a tri or TT, and that makes sense as the wheels are really great all-arounders for every application. They weigh around ~1500g and in low yaw races like Indian Wells was this past weekend, the penalty of not having the disc was minimal. Dan actually wrote about these wheels last year in a front page article also.

All this is to say that we don't have money to buy wheels, so when a company puts their faith in us, we appreciate it greatly and will do our best to represent them well ;) It helps that these wheels really are awesome though.

How much time do you think running shallow wheels cost you vs a 70-90mm front and disc?
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How much time do you think running shallow wheels cost you vs a 70-90mm front and disc?
Honestly, the wind tunnel experts would probably know better, but on this course, on this day, I'm guessing it wasn't more than 15-20 seconds. Low angles were very low and that front wheel is no slouch aero wise (16 spokes is nice). I probably lost more time forgetting to put on my aero calf sleeves before the race :/

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How much time do you think running shallow wheels cost you vs a 70-90mm front and disc?

Honestly, the wind tunnel experts would probably know better, but on this course, on this day, I'm guessing it wasn't more than 15-20 seconds. Low angles were very low and that front wheel is no slouch aero wise (16 spokes is nice). I probably lost more time forgetting to put on my aero calf sleeves before the race :/


^^^^This.

The sleeves are worth probably 90sec in a 70.3. They are the biggest gain most folks are overlooking (and cheap to boot). Saw SC using them for the bike during her win at IMAZ (and then taking them off for the run). Seems like they would create some serious extra signage area as well.



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Hasn't got a pay check since about Sept 25th so... about 10 weeks.
Take the cost for all 4 races this year and Hawaii, lots spend $$$. he is averaging about $500-$800 a week income.
The guys putting out the fencing and pylons are making more overall yearly income with zero expenses. //


So taking this opportunity to resurrect Bens thread, because of Lionel!!! Ha!!!


So tonight he gets his 3rd payday in the past month+ or so, all wins. And the other race he had planned got cancelled, and it surely would also have been a win. Seems like about $14k in prize money, probably near as much in bonus's, and of course his monthly salary. So all in all, not a bad month for the gimp, and how about Paula Findaly, winning last week and this week too?? Gonna make for some nice videos, once Eric gets over his anguish about his races. He did have that great 2nd last week, so not all bad news. So maybe about a $20k month for Paula, and $50+k for Lionel at least...


But outside of those 2, you are right in that the money sucks. The next level places and pros are not getting near the bonus or salary money of these two, and of course the prize money drops off pretty steep too...


Normally would start a new thread on this topic, but it is the holidays and folks seemed to be a bit tuned out to racing at the moment, unless it is about the 100/100's..
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Hasn't got a pay check since about Sept 25th so... about 10 weeks.
Take the cost for all 4 races this year and Hawaii, lots spend $$$. he is averaging about $500-$800 a week income.
The guys putting out the fencing and pylons are making more overall yearly income with zero expenses. //


So taking this opportunity to resurrect Bens thread, because of Lionel!!! Ha!!!


So tonight he gets his 3rd payday in the past month+ or so, all wins. And the other race he had planned got cancelled, and it surely would also have been a win. Seems like about $14k in prize money, probably near as much in bonus's, and of course his monthly salary. So all in all, not a bad month for the gimp, and how about Paula Findaly, winning last week and this week too?? Gonna make for some nice videos, once Eric gets over his anguish about his races. He did have that great 2nd last week, so not all bad news. So maybe about a $20k month for Paula, and $50+k for Lionel at least...


But outside of those 2, you are right in that the money sucks. The next level places and pros are not getting near the bonus or salary money of these two, and of course the prize money drops off pretty steep too...


Normally would start a new thread on this topic, but it is the holidays and folks seemed to be a bit tuned out to racing at the moment, unless it is about the 100/100's..




400 in 💯..... Long live king BlueStacks!
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